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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBS916 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:34 am

Hopefully Kale's SSJ transformation looks much better in the anime. It looks weird to me too. The reason is because it's like she transformed into a SSJ Hulk. However, it's awesome too!

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGodfather93 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:19 am

Ki Breaker wrote:Not digging this design at all
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Much bigger fan of the slimmed down one
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I can't remember the last time someone in DBS was drawn that muscular, except maybe Buff Roshi. Just about everyone's slimmed down since their DBZ days.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Noah » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:19 pm

SaiyanGod117 wrote:Norihito Sumitomo is a better composer than Kikuchi.
You cannot be serious.
DrakenballP wrote:Did you watch a different Dragon Ball Z than I did? All of Yamcha's deaths impacted me and made me sad, even my girlfriend who's unfamiliar with Yamcha and was just introduced to Dragon Ball Z a week ago, felt upset by his death in the Saiyan saga.
Okay so your girlfriend felt sad for Yamcha having only watched DBZ and not DB? How that makes any sense?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by SaiyanGod117 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:59 pm

Noah wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:Norihito Sumitomo is a better composer than Kikuchi.
You cannot be serious.
I'm serious.

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Post by DrakenballP » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:36 pm

Noah wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:Norihito Sumitomo is a better composer than Kikuchi.
You cannot be serious.
DrakenballP wrote:Did you watch a different Dragon Ball Z than I did? All of Yamcha's deaths impacted me and made me sad, even my girlfriend who's unfamiliar with Yamcha and was just introduced to Dragon Ball Z a week ago, felt upset by his death in the Saiyan saga.
Okay so your girlfriend felt sad for Yamcha having only watched DBZ and not DB? How that makes any sense?
A character who is proud of himself and shows all the strength he has, only to wind up dead trying to fight for his friends..?
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Post by Noah » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:22 pm

SaiyanGod117 wrote:I'm serious.
I'll pray for you this night, mate.
DrakenballP wrote:A character who is proud of himself and shows all the strength he has, only to wind up dead trying to fight for his friends..?
But there's no build! If you only watched DBZ you just see him as plot character that died only to show how dangerous the Saibamen are. You don't sympathize a lot with his death as Krillin did, because Yamcha was an important back in DB, a recurring character, valuable member of the cast. There was a lot of stakes for the battle against the Saiyans, but you wouldn't expect him to die so soon. That why this arc was so good and its even better with the build of the past arcs, because all the deaths were not meaningless.
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Post by DrakenballP » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:26 pm

Noah wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:I'm serious.
I'll pray for you this night, mate.
DrakenballP wrote:A character who is proud of himself and shows all the strength he has, only to wind up dead trying to fight for his friends..?
But there's no build! If you only watched DBZ you just see him as plot character that died only to show how dangerous the Saibamen are. You don't sympathize a lot with his death as Krillin did, because Yamcha was an important back in DB, a recurring character, valuable member of the cast. There was a lot of stakes for the battle against the Saiyans, but you wouldn't expect him to die so soon. That why this arc was so good and its even better with the build of the past arcs, because all the deaths were not meaningless.
And people cry if they see an animal die, even if no attachment to the animal, or if they haven't ever even met the animal. Similar thing. It's a situational thing and it's the instance it was relevant to. Why are you questioning a humans emotions? Let it be.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:36 pm

Chi-Chi is an abysmal mother whose love of Gohan clouds her judgement, she's consistently showed to be in the wrong in the Saiyan arc.

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Post by Analytical Delusion » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:51 pm

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It's hard for me to become invested in characters who are present only for a short time, especially when generally their backstories and personalities aren't particularly interesting
Different strokes for different folks, but self contained arcs don't preclude those stories and characters from being interesting. Sadly I do think it's often the case in DB, but I don't think that's inherent in those sorts of stories.
Agreed. Do you think it's a time/resource issue with Dragon Ball, something in particular about the story/setting/universe, or just a matter of poor execution? Are there any self-contained arcs that you feel worked out well?

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Post by The gr » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:45 pm

Gog wrote:Chi-Chi is an abysmal mother whose love of Gohan clouds her judgement, she's consistently showed to be in the wrong in the Saiyan arc.
I don't see that as an unpopular opinion since everyone in the fandom hates her
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by SaiyanGod117 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:32 pm

Noah wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:I'm serious.
I'll pray for you this night, mate.
What don't you like about him? He has some pretty good tracks.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:50 pm

The gr wrote:
Gog wrote:Chi-Chi is an abysmal mother whose love of Gohan clouds her judgement, she's consistently showed to be in the wrong in the Saiyan arc.
I don't see that as an unpopular opinion since everyone in the fandom hates her
I like ChiChi.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:51 pm

The same can be said about Kikuchi what you dont like about him?

Ok, I have to digress a bit. You CAN indeed like Sumitomo better, I never had any problem with any Japanese composer for DB. As in I liked Kikuchi, Tokunaga, Yamamoto and yes, even Sumitomo.

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Post by Hyena_Yamcha » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:20 pm

Yamcha's Death Made almost tear up

Especially since i watched dragon ball before dragon ball z
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:23 pm

GRANDE HYENA YAMCHA! IDOLO.

Sorry couldnt resist. I always love it when I see fans from either Spain or Latin America and that they watched DB before Z.

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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:23 pm

Kikuchi's music does a great job of creating atmosphere and compliment the theme of a scene or narrative. But most of his battl music is pretty bland and dated, Sumitomo doesn't really have this problem. It's just person placing his music is incompetent, ( Just like the writers of Supers) he's gotten better, but still doesn't use Sumitomo tracks to their fullest potential. I will admit some of Sumitomo's tracks are average, forgettable, or lacking any sort of volume. I wouldn't mind if he got replaced, nonetheless he's a good composer and another reason why the music is forgettable to some, is because most of the show itself is forgettable.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:32 pm

Good Points and surprisingly I agree. I do think its a bit unfair to call him dated when his music is so richly attached and is synonymous with Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball is an 80's show. I think his music is timeless because its made to fit a timeless show like Dragon Ball but was made in the 80's and as such is reflective of that era. I know this seems contradictory and it probably is. But its just that Sumitomo just doesnt scream Dragon Ball like Kikuchi does.

But again, different strokes for different folks.

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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:37 pm

I meant to say he his battle music was bland and dated, the music he used for atomosphere and themes of the show are mostly decent to good, few greats in there too.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:38 pm

I don't think Broly's backstory is bad. Nor do I think the idea of his transformation is bad either. What's bad about the character is how the "legendary Super Saiyan" facet of the character represents every negative aspect about the series, represents everything unfamiliar people think the series is about and is just, in general, over-represented in comparison to his base-form persona.

And Paragus is one of the best characters in the series.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:20 am

Analytical Delusion wrote:
ABED wrote:
It's hard for me to become invested in characters who are present only for a short time, especially when generally their backstories and personalities aren't particularly interesting
Different strokes for different folks, but self contained arcs don't preclude those stories and characters from being interesting. Sadly I do think it's often the case in DB, but I don't think that's inherent in those sorts of stories.
Agreed. Do you think it's a time/resource issue with Dragon Ball, something in particular about the story/setting/universe, or just a matter of poor execution? Are there any self-contained arcs that you feel worked out well?
I think it's a matter of poor execution as opposed to anything inherent in DB. I like a number of the self contained filler episodes, such as the Gohan and the robot episode or the dinosaur episode. They are very similar and in both cases, I find their friendships sweet and heartbreaking when he loses both.
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