"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ekrolo2]

How come the other universes don't have multiple kaioshins like universe 7 before Buu killed them off? There was only 1 at the tournament with his attendent. I bet they ignore that because that'll be a lot for Black to kill in each universe.

Do you want the real reason?

[spoiler]Toriyama forgot.[/spoiler]

Toriyama also didn't make a big deal out of the other Kai's too. In the anime they emphasized them by showing how they die but I think that's a passing mention at best in the manga. Maybe one of the other Kai's appeared but I know the full on flashback didn't.

[dbgtFO]

How come the other universes don't have multiple kaioshins like universe 7 before Buu killed them off? There was only 1 at the tournament with his attendent. I bet they ignore that because that'll be a lot for Black to kill in each universe.

Do you want the real reason?

[spoiler]Toriyama forgot.[/spoiler]

I think Toriyama is just working with a more simplified approach, so 1 Kaioshin and 1 Hakaishin per universe. Universe 7 being a special case, because its lore was established back in the Buu arc way before he came up with 12 universes and all that jazz.

2 years ago he said there were 3 Kaioshin, but now it seems that has been reduced to 1(and Elder Kaioshin, who never got replaced and is thus another exception to the rule).

Not sure if it has been discussed before but in the full translation of chapter 15 I read, in page 35, Trunks said it has been 10 years (strongly implying since Gohan’s SSJ2 transformation/since he travelled to the main timeline last time). Now since Trunks returned to Age 785, that places the current events in the future in Age 795. Then minus 17 years and, presto, we go to Age 778 in the present. So eventually we have a timeline for Super!

Cue to the person who will now tell me that it was a mistranslation…

It was a mistranslation
What was really said was "over 10 years"

[Hellspawn28]

How is Goku said to be living on Earth by Future Kaioshin and Kibito if Goku is dead in Trunks timeline?

It wasn't, the Kaioshin gathering happened in the present timeline.

I thought it would happen in Future Trunks timeline? It would make sense since Zamasu makes it sound like that they just beat Majin Buu for the fist time when Buu has been dead for 5-6 years in the present timeline.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

How is Goku said to be living on Earth by Future Kaioshin and Kibito if Goku is dead in Trunks timeline?

It wasn't, the Kaioshin gathering happened in the present timeline.

I thought it would happen in Future Trunks timeline? It would make sense since Zamasu makes it sound like that they just beat Majin Buu for the fist time when Buu has been dead for 5-6 years in the present timeline.

Not only did Majin Boo never appear in Trunks' timeline, both Kaioshin and Kibito died fighting Dabura and Babidi. It had to be in the present.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Cue to the person who will now tell me that it was a mistranslation…

It's not a mistranslation, but you are off. Trunks defeated Cell in his timeline in AGE 788 and then traveled back in time to tell everyone that he saved his world. That was the last time he saw everyone (save Goku), so you should be looking at AGE 797-798 for the future and AGE 780-781 for the present...which is exactly where things should be based on the movies statements of Beerus waking up in 778, Golden Freeza in 779, etc.

[ryou766]

Holy shit, LOVE the manga right now

It being monthly kills me, but it's definitely worth it. I'm enjoying the manga more than the anime without a doubt.

I'm glad that Trunks didn't just one shot Dabura and Babidi like he did in the anime flashback, it actually took some work. Love it.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Holy shit, LOVE the manga right now

It being monthly kills me, but it's definitely worth it. I'm enjoying the manga more than the anime without a doubt.

I'm glad that Trunks didn't just one shot Dabura and Babidi like he did in the anime flashback, it actually took some work. Love it.

Anyone who doesn't read is missing out. I don't like the monthly release though, I wish there was some method by which the manga could be moved to a bi-weekly schedule (that is to say, once every 2 weeks, not twice a week).

[TheMikado]

Holy shit, LOVE the manga right now

It being monthly kills me, but it's definitely worth it. I'm enjoying the manga more than the anime without a doubt.

I'm glad that Trunks didn't just one shot Dabura and Babidi like he did in the anime flashback, it actually took some work. Love it.

Anyone who doesn't read is missing out. I don't like the monthly release though, I wish there was some method by which the manga could be moved to a bi-weekly schedule (that is to say, once every 2 weeks, not twice a week).

You're forgetting this is just a promotional manga for the Super anime, it literally has no right to be this darn good!

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Holy shit, LOVE the manga right now

It being monthly kills me, but it's definitely worth it. I'm enjoying the manga more than the anime without a doubt.

I'm glad that Trunks didn't just one shot Dabura and Babidi like he did in the anime flashback, it actually took some work. Love it.

Anyone who doesn't read is missing out. I don't like the monthly release though, I wish there was some method by which the manga could be moved to a bi-weekly schedule (that is to say, once every 2 weeks, not twice a week).

You're forgetting this is just a promotional manga for the Super anime, it literally has no right to be this darn good!

It started out that way, and it still technically is, but ever since it fell behind, Toyotaro has pretty much made it into its own thing.

I didn't forget anything, I just want more for it. Unfortunately, when all is said and done, it will end up as a forgotten piece.

[jplaya2023]

How come Buu's meter wasn't filling up when dabura was fighting everyone?

[Sandubadear]

Awesome chapter, Toyotaro is doing great in the Trunks arc.

[ryou766]

I also like how this actually FEELS like the Future Trunks we all know and love from the Android/Cell arc. Not that the anime doesn't capture his character well, but I enjoy his manga counterpart better.

[kinisking]

Trunks doesn't look that good in the kaioshin outfit. Gohan pulled it off much better.

I also like how this actually FEELS like the Future Trunks we all know and love from the Android/Cell arc. Not that the anime doesn't capture his character well, but I enjoy his manga counterpart better.

It's the design. He has the right base form hair, the better ss hair, looks older.

[Hellspawn28]

How come Buu's meter wasn't filling up when dabura was fighting everyone?

Probably they are able to kill Dabra quickly before it happen. Goku vs. Majin Vegeta is the reason why they are able to filled up Buu's meter so quickly along already having ki from Gohan earlier.

[alakazam^]

I can perfectly see Whis and Vados going "Eh, time to go find a replacement" after Beers and Champa died. Probably, every attendant communicated with each other and agreed to keep that hush-hush to Zen'ou so as not to have their Universes destroyed and are just scouting their Universes for new God of Destructions. As for why they aren't dealing with Black, it was shown that they are very uptight with rules so it's possible it might not be in their duty to act directly with Universe matters.

[Lord Beerus]

I really appreciate how much effort Toyotaro put into tying any loose ends while branching out the lore. It was good to seen an expansion on the training Future Trunks has with Kaioshin as well with the circumstances of how he took care of Babidi and Dabra in his timeline. The manga is really doing an excellent job filling in the holes created by the anime.

Oh, and the chapter itself was very good. Just wanted throw that out there so people would know.

[shadowfox87]

Even though Zeno is the strongest and the one above all, it's possible to make a wish using the Super Dragon Balls to either make him unaware of Black's actions or put him in a dimension where he cannot escape, etc. There's many ways of defeating a person without strength. Zamasu has unlimited wishes with the time ring. He can literally do anything. It's no surprise to me that all the Kaioshins of every universe are dead. If I was Zamasu, I would want to get rid of all the Gods of Destruction first so that there's nobody to stop me. The easiest way is by killing the Kaioshins.

This would still not explain where the attendants are - Whis, Vados, Grand Priest, etc. I don't think they would sit idly.

[Chiki]

Zeno should care. He was going to scold Beerus and Champa for being negligent with their duties.

Major plothole here.

[Quantum-Kakarrotto]

I really appreciate how much effort Toyotaro put into tying any loose ends while branching out the lore. It was good to seen an expansion on the training Future Trunks has with Kaioshin as well withe circumstances of how he took care of Babidi and Dabra in his timeline. The manga is really doing an excellent job filling in the holes created by the anime.

Agreed with this, I find myself enjoying the manga more than the anime as it explains more about the inconsistencies we see from the anime. Also, I wish that Toei or Shonen Jump are able to just bring in Masako Nozawa, Ryo Horikawa, and the other cast members, and just make the Super manga into an audio-Manga so we can just hear them portraying the Manga version of their characters. I would ask for the same with the Funimation cast but since Viz owns that, I don't see that being possible.


EDIT: Also in the case of Zeno, does anyone else believe that if all the other Gods in the universe dies then maybe something happens to him? Like with Beerus and the Kaioshin.

[Chiki]

I really appreciate how much effort Toyotaro put into tying any loose ends while branching out the lore. It was good to seen an expansion on the training Future Trunks has with Kaioshin as well withe circumstances of how he took care of Babidi and Dabra in his timeline. The manga is really doing an excellent job filling in the holes created by the anime.

Yeah but it made an even bigger hole, bigger than all the things that weren't explained in the anime.. Black never killed every Kaioshin in every universe in the anime (as far as we know at least, he might've). What is Zeno doing? Why doesn't he care if he cared about Beerus and Champa not doing their job?