Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

That scene could be something else, like Paragus and kid Broly.

[ekrolo2]

I meant I don't expect Bardock to appear in any significant role, that's why adapting Minus where for the lack of a better word Bardock is the main character won't happen.

We'll get a flashback to explain what happened to Broly, maybe Vegeta murdering some aliens as a kid, Goku being sent out like in Minus and Freeza destroying Planet Vegeta from another angle because we haven't seen it enough times yet.
All to connect the points until the present, I think that's the realistic expectation.

Bardock doesn't do much in Minus besides steal the pod to send Kakarot off-world anyway. I think they could easily cover all his scenes in Minus in 10 minutes or less.

I figure what they'll do is frame the story around Frieza, both in the present and in the past. He'll be the connective tissue linking Goku, Vegeta and Broly's stories together. He's the reason Goku and Vegeta were off-world when the planet was destroyed and I'm sure whatever new backstory Paragus and Broly have is going to be tied to him in some way. Minus Frieza was shown to have knowledge of Super Saiyan God and I'm wondering if it's just coincidence that that form is getting focus here.

Now is the time we make Freeza's knowledge of SSGod matter? Really? After he's already known about Goku having it and fighting alongside it with nary a peep about it?

[Kanassa]

Dark, ridiculous tinfoil hat theory that isn't supposed to be taken seriously.

The twist of the movie is that Broly isn't Broly, he's a clone. The original Broly died in Paragus's arms as a baby, leading to Paraugs spending years trying to create the perfect copy of his son, with each failing and dying in quick succession or succumbing to their rage to the point of literal explosions. This is the best and most stable clone of Broly, the limiter put on because Beserk Broly would end up killing himself like the rest, Paragus releasing Broly on Vegeta in both blind revenge and a slim vein of hope that Broly killing the last remnant of his original's killer would quell the rage. Insert obvious parallel of Paragus trying to stop Broly being consumed by rage by being consumed by his own.

The movie ends with Broly beaten and left alive by Goku, the fight exhausting Broly to the point that he can barely move, not feeling that much rage anymore. However, the planet is currently in a 'Oh shit, gonna blow' state and everyone's gotta get out of there. Goku tells Broly to live his life in a way that he sees fit instead of just following a past that's not even his. Goku gives Broly enough energy to escape and leaves. Paragus, still alive, collapses to the ground, his mind realizing that everything is collapsing around him and it was mostly his own fault. He refuses to leave the planet, regrets now overcoming him as he thinks of what he's put his son's memory through. However, as everyone leaves him to his fate, Broly sits down beside him. THere's a simple gesture, Broly putting his hand on Paragus's back, all before the planet explodes and the two are consumed by it all.

[FortuneSSJ]

Dark, ridiculous tinfoil hat theory that isn't supposed to be taken seriously.

The twist of the movie is that Broly isn't Broly, he's a clone. The original Broly died in Paragus's arms as a baby, leading to Paraugs spending years trying to create the perfect copy of his son, with each failing and dying in quick succession or succumbing to their rage to the point of literal explosions. This is the best and most stable clone of Broly, the limiter put on because Beserk Broly would end up killing himself like the rest, Paragus releasing Broly on Vegeta in both blind revenge and a slim vein of hope that Broly killing the last remnant of his original's killer would quell the rage. Insert obvious parallel of Paragus trying to stop Broly being consumed by rage by being consumed by his own.

The movie ends with Broly beaten and left alive by Goku, the fight exhausting Broly to the point that he can barely move, not feeling that much rage anymore. However, the planet is currently in a 'Oh shit, gonna blow' state and everyone's gotta get out of there. Goku tells Broly to live his life in a way that he sees fit instead of just following a past that's not even his. Goku gives Broly enough energy to escape and leaves. Paragus, still alive, collapses to the ground, his mind realizing that everything is collapsing around him and it was mostly his own fault. He refuses to leave the planet, regrets now overcoming him as he thinks of what he's put his son's memory through. However, as everyone leaves him to his fate, Broly sits down beside him. THere's a simple gesture, Broly putting his hand on Paragus's back, all before the planet explodes and the two are consumed by it all.

That's actually not a bad plot, even though some parts made me wonder if it was still Dragon Ball.

[BlueBasilisk]

I meant I don't expect Bardock to appear in any significant role, that's why adapting Minus where for the lack of a better word Bardock is the main character won't happen.

We'll get a flashback to explain what happened to Broly, maybe Vegeta murdering some aliens as a kid, Goku being sent out like in Minus and Freeza destroying Planet Vegeta from another angle because we haven't seen it enough times yet.
All to connect the points until the present, I think that's the realistic expectation.

Bardock doesn't do much in Minus besides steal the pod to send Kakarot off-world anyway. I think they could easily cover all his scenes in Minus in 10 minutes or less.

I figure what they'll do is frame the story around Frieza, both in the present and in the past. He'll be the connective tissue linking Goku, Vegeta and Broly's stories together. He's the reason Goku and Vegeta were off-world when the planet was destroyed and I'm sure whatever new backstory Paragus and Broly have is going to be tied to him in some way. Minus Frieza was shown to have knowledge of Super Saiyan God and I'm wondering if it's just coincidence that that form is getting focus here.

Now is the time we make Freeza's knowledge of SSGod matter? Really? After he's already known about Goku having it and fighting alongside it with nary a peep about it?

I don't think it'll have much to do with the modern Frieza if the subject is raised as he's over Super Saiyans. But the past Frieza was asking around about it and it was part of the reason he destroyed the planet so I could see it possibly being used for other aspects of the plot such as whatever Broly and Paragus are doing.

Come to think of it, I wonder if Paragus knows it was Frieza who destroyed Vegeta? If not, there's a lot they could do with that.

[Chuquita]

I think the upside to having low expectations for the plot is it leaves open room to be pleasantly surprised.

I had such high expectations for the F movie and they were dashed pretty hard. I actually thought there were going to be things like tension and story beats and even a cliffhanger ending that would continue into a third movie. Nope.

Who knows. Maybe Brolli 5 will be good, but I wish Shueisha didn't go for such low hanging fruit.

[PFM18]

So between them bringing back Broly and Paragus, bringing back Frieza, probably bringing back Gogeta, having scenes from Dragon Ball Minus, after battles in the artic and battles surrounded by lava....

Does this movie any original ideas?

Well this "destination" talk and the way that all of these ideas interact with each other does appear to be original but we won't know until we actually see the movie.

[Doctor.]

Dark, ridiculous tinfoil hat theory that isn't supposed to be taken seriously.

The twist of the movie is that Broly isn't Broly, he's a clone. The original Broly died in Paragus's arms as a baby, leading to Paraugs spending years trying to create the perfect copy of his son, with each failing and dying in quick succession or succumbing to their rage to the point of literal explosions. This is the best and most stable clone of Broly, the limiter put on because Beserk Broly would end up killing himself like the rest, Paragus releasing Broly on Vegeta in both blind revenge and a slim vein of hope that Broly killing the last remnant of his original's killer would quell the rage. Insert obvious parallel of Paragus trying to stop Broly being consumed by rage by being consumed by his own.

The movie ends with Broly beaten and left alive by Goku, the fight exhausting Broly to the point that he can barely move, not feeling that much rage anymore. However, the planet is currently in a 'Oh shit, gonna blow' state and everyone's gotta get out of there. Goku tells Broly to live his life in a way that he sees fit instead of just following a past that's not even his. Goku gives Broly enough energy to escape and leaves. Paragus, still alive, collapses to the ground, his mind realizing that everything is collapsing around him and it was mostly his own fault. He refuses to leave the planet, regrets now overcoming him as he thinks of what he's put his son's memory through. However, as everyone leaves him to his fate, Broly sits down beside him. THere's a simple gesture, Broly putting his hand on Paragus's back, all before the planet explodes and the two are consumed by it all.

Basically Mewtwo Strikes Back, gotcha.

[ekrolo2]

Dark, ridiculous tinfoil hat theory that isn't supposed to be taken seriously.

The twist of the movie is that Broly isn't Broly, he's a clone. The original Broly died in Paragus's arms as a baby, leading to Paraugs spending years trying to create the perfect copy of his son, with each failing and dying in quick succession or succumbing to their rage to the point of literal explosions. This is the best and most stable clone of Broly, the limiter put on because Beserk Broly would end up killing himself like the rest, Paragus releasing Broly on Vegeta in both blind revenge and a slim vein of hope that Broly killing the last remnant of his original's killer would quell the rage. Insert obvious parallel of Paragus trying to stop Broly being consumed by rage by being consumed by his own.

The movie ends with Broly beaten and left alive by Goku, the fight exhausting Broly to the point that he can barely move, not feeling that much rage anymore. However, the planet is currently in a 'Oh shit, gonna blow' state and everyone's gotta get out of there. Goku tells Broly to live his life in a way that he sees fit instead of just following a past that's not even his. Goku gives Broly enough energy to escape and leaves. Paragus, still alive, collapses to the ground, his mind realizing that everything is collapsing around him and it was mostly his own fault. He refuses to leave the planet, regrets now overcoming him as he thinks of what he's put his son's memory through. However, as everyone leaves him to his fate, Broly sits down beside him. THere's a simple gesture, Broly putting his hand on Paragus's back, all before the planet explodes and the two are consumed by it all.

Basically Mewtwo Strikes Back, gotcha.

Nah, it doesn't have Paragus discovering the old genetic remains of the OG Super Saiyan (obvs Kanba) and using them to clone Broly.

[Noah]

I've honestly not been paying attention to any reactions from the fanbase. I haven't been this uninterested in a DB product in a long time.

Was that what Super finale did to ya?

You'll cry in the first 20-30 minutes of the film!

The only thing that could make me cry Super related would be that if they announced on the credits they don't intent to do any animated series anymore, there would be so many tears, but for me it would be tears of joy.

It's gonna be super awkward if Minus is the first 20-30 minutes of the movie. Like how Kai starts with the end of the Bardock special.

There's nothing awkward about that.

Yes, there is. As Minus is despised by a large portion of the fan base and although I liked Bardock special, Kai should have started with DB flashbacks only.

[Doctor.]

Was that what Super finale did to ya?

No, it was the actual trailer for this film. I was somehow more excited about this film potentially being good before I saw the trailer.

[Noah]

No, it was the actual trailer for this film. I was somehow more excited about this film potentially being good before I saw the trailer.

Even though knowing Broly would be there?

I think you should wait for the second trailer.

[Doctor.]

No, it was the actual trailer for this film. I was somehow more excited about this film potentially being good before I saw the trailer.

Even though knowing Broly would be there?

I think you should wait for the second trailer.

Knowing Broly would be in the film just meant I knew they were gonna reboot his story. That means there was a chance they could do it right.

Seeing the trailer, it's literally movie 8 again (probably worse) with Minus included.

[FortuneSSJ]

Who knows. Maybe Brolli 5 will be good, but I wish Shueisha didn't go for such low hanging fruit.

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

[BlueBasilisk]

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

Ideas which focused on things other than Saiyans, hence Toriyama rejecting them

[TysonWine]

Seeing the trailer, it's literally movie 8 again (probably worse) with Minus included.

I think the movie will be enjoyable but I do agree with your theory that the movie will be as similar to Movie 8 as can be. Whether or not that's a good thing depends on you. People who are expecting a massively different and innovative story because of one Toriyama quote about "adding more to his character" are likely setting themselves up to be disappointed. I expect it to be a rebooted movie 8 that's up to date with the current narrative. Anymore would shock me.

[alakazam^]

The problem with Dragon Ball Minus is that a better version of that story, that doesn't contradict anything in the manga and it's loved by most people, was already released 20+ years ago. Akira Toriyama, even as the creator, came late to the party and the fact that he didn't flesh out his version more doesn't work on his favour either.

I almost feel like saying he didn't have the right to change everything 2 decades later, but oh well it's Toriyama. He can do whatever he wants.

He didn't change anything because the Burdock special was never real. Minus is how things actually unfold.

Yes, there is. As Minus is despised by a large portion of the fan base

I'm pretty sure you have no numbers to back up that claim. And not liking Minus because of an unealthy attachment to the Burdock special is very silly.

[RedHeat]

Seeing the trailer, it's literally movie 8 again (probably worse) with Minus included.

I think the movie will be enjoyable but I do agree with your theory that the movie will be as similar to Movie 8 as can be. Whether or not that's a good thing depends on you. People who are expecting a massively different and innovative story because of one Toriyama quote about "adding more to his character" are likely setting themselves up to be disappointed. I expect it to be a rebooted movie 8 that's up to date with the current narrative. Anymore would shock me.

It isn't really hard to change Broly from a terrible character to an "ok" one. I'd settle for that.

[BlueBasilisk]

I think the movie will be enjoyable but I do agree with your theory that the movie will be as similar to Movie 8 as can be. Whether or not that's a good thing depends on you. People who are expecting a massively different and innovative story because of one Toriyama quote about "adding more to his character" are likely setting themselves up to be disappointed. I expect it to be a rebooted movie 8 that's up to date with the current narrative. Anymore would shock me.

I think there'll be more to it than that but I do think people should take care with their expectations (which is really true with anything). Toriyama said something like he thought there could be an interesting plot if he moved stuff around and that he's going to keep Broly's classic image in mind, so thinking he and Paragus are going to be totally diferent is asking for trouble. What I'm expecting is this movie to remix the plots of all 3 movies like Mortal Kombat 9 did for MK1-3.

[FortuneSSJ]

The problem with Dragon Ball Minus is that a better version of that story, that doesn't contradict anything in the manga and it's loved by most people, was already released 20+ years ago. Akira Toriyama, even as the creator, came late to the party and the fact that he didn't flesh out his version more doesn't work on his favour either.

I almost feel like saying he didn't have the right to change everything 2 decades later, but oh well it's Toriyama. He can do whatever he wants.

He didn't change anything because the Burdock special was never real. Minus is how things actually unfold.

You should say "canon" if anything. "It was never real" is not the best way to describe it, because that TV Special does exist. It's not a dream or an illusion.
I can't agree that Minus is actually how things unfold, because it's 20+ years late, contradicts the manga, and that story was already told in the past.