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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:06 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:
rereboy wrote: You are assuming that there isn't a reason just because it wasn't stated so far.

Why not assume there is a reason for it, even if its not stated? It seems far more logical to me...
Really? I admit, I'm no literary genius or even especially talented in any particular way, but I think most people operate under the assumption that if there's vital information then it's important to give the audience that information rather than force them to come up with a solution themselves. Or if it's supposed to be ambiguous then at least set up that ambiguity somehow rather than remain perfectly silent.

I don't see how writing a story, any story, implying "there's an explanation for this" but then basically foregoing the explanation itself or any hint of it, is a good direction to venture. To me that comes off as just plain bad writing, fanfiction or otherwise. It's the author's job to make sure the work makes sense, not the audience's.
There are plenty of works which don't actually explain everything to you or fill in all the blanks, and that doesn't make them bad in any way actually.

But anyway, we have reached the point I was trying to make... What you are really against is having it go unexplained, not the fact that there isn't a reason for him being different. And I understand you, I would also rather have it properly explained. But, like I said, I also don't think its that big of a problem as you believe.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:12 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:Coming from someone with a background in writing, he's got a valid point.

You can't just present something that would otherwise be contradictory with no explanation, then not provide an explanation, expecting your audience to assume that there IS an explanation. That's just bad writing.
Exactly. It reminds me of this exchange from the Simpsons:

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I'm not even saying that little hiccups like these are especially damaging. I can tolerate a hell of a lot of crazy, sometimes nonsensical shit. Hell, if I were so hung up on every plot detail making perfect sense then I probably wouldn't be a fan of Dragon Ball at all. I just thought it was something worth bringing up since we're in the midst of this King Cold fight as we speak.
rereboy wrote: There are plenty of works which don't actually explain everything to you or fill in all the blanks, and that doesn't make them bad in any way actually.
Eh, I'd debate that, but that would be getting way off topic. I will say that I have no problem with ambiguity. But even ambiguity should be set up in some way like the ending of Inception. Not just remaining stone silent and leaving the audience to think up one of a gazillion different possibilities but tailoring the plot and leading the audience to a handful of viable, plausible options. Random silence with a "pick your poison" caveat, on the other hand...that's just annoying.
rereboy wrote:But anyway, we have reached the point I was trying to make... What you are really against is having it go unexplained, not the fact that there isn't a reason for him being different. And I understand you, I would also rather have it properly explained. But, like I said, I also don't think its that big of a problem as you believe.
I will say that I generally would prefer some kind of explanation, yes. I can't promise I'd like the explanation but it'd be nice to have one.

And I never said it was a big deal. So I don't get why everybody is making me out to be some nitpicky douche. Again, if I were so anal retentive about plot holes I wouldn't be here at all. I fail to see how merely mentioning a potential plot hole translates to making it some huge issue.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:20 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
TonyTheTiger wrote:I don't see how writing a story, any story, implying "there's an explanation for this" but then basically foregoing the explanation itself or any hint of it, is a good direction to venture. To me that comes off as just plain bad writing, fanfiction or otherwise. It's the author's job to make sure the work makes sense, not the audience's.
Coming from someone with a background in writing, he's got a valid point.

You can't just present something that would otherwise be contradictory with no explanation, then not provide an explanation, expecting your audience to assume that there IS an explanation. That's just bad writing.
Normally, I would agree, and I do agree to a certain extent.

However, in this particular work, the situation that could contradict the other situation, happens somewhere where it is implied that things happened and are different from the place where the other situation happened.

Now, like I said, I would rather have it properly explained and have the differences and the reasons for them being different laid out in front of me.

However, even without it all being explained, its already partly explained by the simple fact that its from another universe where things happened differently and are different. That's a very important part of the explanation. All that remains is fill some blanks to understand just how those changes came to be.

So, in short, I agree partly with you.

Edit: To give you a quick example of what I mean... In a universe where the sky is red instead of blue on Earth, surely there is a explanation for why the sky is red instead of blue, one that could make us understand fully well just how that came to be...

However, simply saying that its a different universe where things happened and are different, provides a very important part of the explanation. And for most people, since they aren't very interested in learning just why the sky is blue or red, that partial explanation would be enough. But, regarding Cold, people are much more interested in knowing exactly why that came to be and that is the main problem of not explaining it. Its not so much a logical problem or a plothole problem, but more a problem of not filling an interesting blank that people want to know about.
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And I never said it was a big deal. So I don't get why everybody is making me out to be some nitpicky douche. Again, if I were so anal retentive about plot holes I wouldn't be here at all. I fail to see how merely mentioning a potential plot hole translates to making it some huge issue.
Nobody said that.

I simply said that I think I'm more comfortable with the idea than you. In fact, I mostly agreed with you, I was just trying to also state that existing a reason and simply not explaining it are two different things.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:50 pm

Ok, fair enough. Either way, this is an enjoyable fight and I can't wait to see how Videl responds to the inevitable perverted request.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Scarz » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:42 am

Hey everyone! Did you miss me? Of course you did, after all I'm a valued member of the forum community. Hold that applause because I come bearing a gift. The cover sketch to my DBM H short comic:

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I've been extremely busy these past couple of months, mostly with work, commissions, and personal projects. I wanted to show you guys the DBM H comic earlier but the comic needs to be darken a bit with pencil (my light pencil sketches won't show up up in the scans), plus I have to finish all the incomplete faces, hands, backgrounds etc. So, now that my workload has lessen a bit, I will be showing you guys the pencil sketch of each page every other day... that's of course until things get a little too raunchy, then you guys will have to pm me if you want to see the rest. I don't think I'll have the time to ink it though, so I hope you guys are just okay with the completed sketches.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:51 am

Kakarotto & Kat?
I wonder how that's gonna turn out. :lol:

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by StarRot » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:55 am

Huzzah!
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by funrush » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:26 am

Scarz wrote:Hey everyone! Did you miss me? Of course you did, after all I'm a valued member of the forum community. Hold that applause because I come bearing a gift. The cover sketch to my DBM H short comic:

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I've been extremely busy these past couple of months, mostly with work, commissions, and personal projects. I wanted to show you guys the DBM H comic earlier but the comic needs to be darken a bit with pencil (my light pencil sketches won't show up up in the scans), plus I have to finish all the incomplete faces, hands, backgrounds etc. So, now that my workload has lessen a bit, I will be showing you guys the pencil sketch of each page every other day... that's of course until things get a little too raunchy, then you guys will have to pm me if you want to see the rest. I don't think I'll have the time to ink it though, so I hope you guys are just okay with the completed sketches.
I understand if you're not allowed to tell us but, what universe is that? Also, for a sketch, that art is really good.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:04 am

funrush wrote: I understand if you're not allowed to tell us but, what universe is that? Also, for a sketch, that art is really good.
It's not part of DBM's canon, it's just Scarz' self-made H parody of DBM.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by funrush » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:10 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
funrush wrote: I understand if you're not allowed to tell us but, what universe is that? Also, for a sketch, that art is really good.
It's not part of DBM's canon, it's just Scarz' self-made H parody of DBM.
Oh, okay. Thanks.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Scarz » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:50 am

I just caught up with the recent DBM pages and I have a pretty good idea how the current match will end...

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:D

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funrush wrote: I understand if you're not allowed to tell us but, what universe is that? Also, for a sketch, that art is really good.
It's not part of DBM's canon, it's just Scarz' self-made H parody of DBM.
That's right. Just to give you an idea of which part of the DBM story I'm spoofing, the Kakarotto vs. Kat story starts here.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ShadowDude112 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:05 am

Scarz wrote:I just caught up with the recent DBM pages and I have a pretty good idea how the current match will end...

*snip*

:D
I'll be honest, you draw the best bodies and cleavages. Just thought I'd let you know.

OT: I think this match can go either way and this is totally not just some excuse to have let me say my thoughts on Scarz's drawings.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Sun-Wukong » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:06 am

Scarz wrote:*Awesome Picture*
You know, I was going to make a joke about being excited to see Videl's breasts, and you just had to go (almost) whole hog like that. Thanks. :mrgreen:
Also if you could PM an unedited version that would be great just saying.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ShadowDude112 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:15 am

Sun-Wukong wrote: Also if you could PM an unedited version that would be great just saying.
I second this notion.
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:If Toriyama joined Kanzenshuu, he'd probably forget his login name and password.
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JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:37 pm

Now why can't Salagir and Gogeta Jr. take this advice? :cry:

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:07 pm

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Final form is so very disappoint..., very, very disappoint. lol
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Shoryuken » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:12 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Image

Final form is so very disappoint..., very, very disappoint. lol
It kind of looks like if Tetsuo Ohara had pencilled Freeza with the stern look and the overly muscular build.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by batistabus » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:18 pm

Well...it's pretty cool that he has both Coola and Freeza's features.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by funrush » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:23 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Image

Final form is so very disappoint..., very, very disappoint. lol
I'm somewhat dissapointed in Cold's final form. I don't have too much of a problem with his body, but his face doesn't really look right. I may change my mind once I see him fight. Also, I wonder if Cold will just stand by for 10 hours and watch her unlock her potential (unlikely), or just end the crap out of her (most likely).

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:28 pm

Cold looks like I'd expect him to. No complaints there.

The funnier part is now I'm imagining the Kais smashing their sword with rocks over and over.

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