Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Chuquita]

Who knows. Maybe Brolli 5 will be good, but I wish Shueisha didn't go for such low hanging fruit.

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

I do include Toriyama as also at fault. It'd be nice to know what the rejected ideas were. Toei does a little of that when they release their Precure Works character designer books and you see beta versions of characters, but I don't know if they'd do that for Shintani and Dragon Ball.

Maybe I'm thinking more in the league of the rejected story ideas included in that Super Mario Odyssey book.


Either way, I'd enjoy learning about what we didn't get instead of Brolli 5, but I doubt they'll ever tell us.

[ekrolo2]

Who knows. Maybe Brolli 5 will be good, but I wish Shueisha didn't go for such low hanging fruit.

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

And yet, the "Toriyama is blameless!" narrative keeps being pushed by so many,.... This fandom, I swear.

[Chuquita]

Who knows. Maybe Brolli 5 will be good, but I wish Shueisha didn't go for such low hanging fruit.

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

And yet, the "Toriyama is blameless!" narrative keeps being pushed by so many,.... This fandom, I swear.

Who's saying that? Toriyama's obviously to blame for Minus, bringing back Freeza twice, and for allowing them to canonize Brolli. Are these those who like all three that treat him that way? I don't do that much checking into the fandom outside Kanzenshuu.

I want to know what else Toei had come up with that wasn't Brolli. I think we'll never know.

[ricky84]

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

Ideas which focused on things other than Saiyans, hence Toriyama rejecting them

Toei is even saiyan-centric than Toriyama is, so I doubt that.

[ricky84]

This reminds me of Toei's original ideas & script for Battle of Gods before Toriyama turned it into what it is. Apparently, Beerus was originally a pun on the word "virus", since in this original version Beerus was intended to be an psychotic evil deity who was responsible for turning the saiyans into an evil race in ancient times with his powers to corrupt people, with Yamoshi being the last good saiyan to challenge him and fail. Beerus would show up on Bulma's birthday party and brainwash everyone into attacking Goku, with the film exploring topics like what it means to be a hero and such.

Whether this version would have been better than what we got is anybodies guess.

[ekrolo2]

This reminds me of Toei's original ideas & script for Battle of Gods before Toriyama turned it into what it is. Apparently, Beerus was originally a pun on the word "virus", since in this original version Beerus was intended to be an psychotic evil deity who was responsible for turning the saiyans into an evil race in ancient times with his powers to corrupt people, with Yamoshi being the last good saiyan to challenge him and fail. Beerus would show up on Bulma's birthday party and brainwash everyone into attacking Goku, with the film exploring topics like what it means to be a hero and such.

Whether this version would have been better than what we got is anybodies guess.

Well, that last theme certainly survived though it got changed more into Goku's pride and how it negatively affected him after the Boo arc more than if he's a hero or not.

[RecolorSaiyan]

I have a feeling that some of Toei's suggestions were stuff like reviving Cell, bringing back F Trunks or making cooler canon, stuff like that

[FortuneSSJ]

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

Ideas which focused on things other than Saiyans, hence Toriyama rejecting them

Toei is even saiyan-centric than Toriyama is, so I doubt that.

Not really sure about that, but Toei definitely seems to care more about Gohan than Toriyama at least. In Super it felt like they wanted to do bigger things with him, but Toriyama's outlines prevented them from going further.

[AnimeNation101]

Lets just get this clear. Just because Toriyama is writing this movie, doesn’t mean it will be any better than a story by Toei.

[Bullza]

The only thing that could make me cry Super related would be that if they announced on the credits they don't intent to do any animated series anymore, there would be so many tears, but for me it would be tears of joy.

Well that's silly, you make it sound like if they do make any more animated series then you'd be forced to sit through it and watch every episode.

As opposed to...just not watching them.

[CTAkuma]

People forget that Bardock special "Bardock" was never canon, Minus just introduced his "canon" backstory and design into the DB universe wether that's a good or bad thing is subjective

[MisteryOne]

The biggest problem with Minus (beyond how it terribly fucks up certain characters and how it kills the irony surrounding Goku's past) is that in the original manga Frieza clearly remembers the Bardock from the TV special. It's still unexplained how Minus Bardock ends up battling Frieza with a whole different set of armor, so until Toriyama fix that it will remain another obvious plothole.

[kudo6000]

The biggest problem with Minus (beyond how it terribly fucks up certain characters and how it kills the irony surrounding Goku's past) is that in the original manga Frieza clearly remembers the Bardock from the TV special. It's still unexplained how Minus Bardock ends up battling Frieza with a whole different set of armor, so until Toriyama fix that it will remain another obvious plothole.

That doesn’t make it a plot hole. Bardock could have changed outfits and decided to personally rebel against Freeza at the last minute. It isn’t improbable.

[MisteryOne]

The biggest problem with Minus (beyond how it terribly fucks up certain characters and how it kills the irony surrounding Goku's past) is that in the original manga Frieza clearly remembers the Bardock from the TV special. It's still unexplained how Minus Bardock ends up battling Frieza with a whole different set of armor, so until Toriyama fix that it will remain another obvious plothole.

That doesn’t make it a plot hole. Bardock could have changed outfits and decided to personally rebel against Freeza at the last minute. It isn’t improbable.

We don't have any type of justification as to why he would do that trough. Why would he change to an older armour model to fight Frieza? Where did the red bandana came from? Why is he fighting alone in this continuity? Were the saiyans really stupid enough to not even wonder they were getting reunited in a single place to be destroyed? It seems like too much of a casuality that he tells the entire race to return to a single place and then have a guy show up and say he's going to kill them all. Did any of them really think it could be the case? In the special he randomly brings it up, but on Minus if he really wanted to he could have easily started a rebellion attemp. The armour thing is the most annoying thing tho, specially because the model he uses in Minus is a more modern one if we go by what Vegeta says on Namek. Is there any reason to change it at all?

At the very least it was a retcon since it's obvious it was meant to be the special's Bardock. But even then, we need to headcanon how Bardock ended battling Frieza alone. But I bet if the movie does show Minus content Gine and him will just die at the planet explosion.

[alakazam^]

You should say "canon" if anything. "It was never real" is not the best way to describe it, because that TV Special does exist. It's not a dream or an illusion.
I can't agree that Minus is actually how things unfold, because it's 20+ years late, contradicts the manga, and that story was already told in the past.

Both are canonical, though. You know what I mean by it "not being real".

I understand you not liking it but what does it having been written decades after the fact and its story already having been told by Toei have to do with anything? As far as I'm aware, it doesn't contradcit the manga so the other points are kinda moot...

We don't have any type of justification as to why he would do that trough. Why would he change to an older armour model to fight Frieza? Where did the red bandana came from? Why is he fighting alone in this continuity? Were the saiyans really stupid enough to not even wonder they were getting reunited in a single place to be destroyed? It seems like too much of a casuality that he tells the entire race to return to a single place and then have a guy show up and say he's going to kill them all. Did any of them really think it could be the case? In the special he randomly brings it up, but on Minus if he really wanted to he could have easily started a rebellion attemp. The armour thing is the most annoying thing tho, specially because the model he uses in Minus is a more modern one if we go by what Vegeta says on Namek. Is there any reason to change it at all?

At the very least it was a retcon since it's obvious it was meant to be the special's Bardock. But even then, we need to headcanon how Bardock ended battling Frieza alone. But I bet if the movie does show Minus content Gine and him will just die at the planet explosion.

It's not a retcon because we never saw what happened with Burdock, you're mixing things up and treating Toei's special as the way things happened.

[CTAkuma]

Who knows. Maybe Brolli 5 will be good, but I wish Shueisha didn't go for such low hanging fruit.

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

And that's a good thing, wether people on here dislike Broli or not, he needed to be canon in the series since he is way too popular to just leave in the background and not try something new with him.

[Chuquita]

Who knows. Maybe Brolli 5 will be good, but I wish Shueisha didn't go for such low hanging fruit.

It's not only their fault, Toriyama is to blame too. Apparently Toei suggested a lot of ideas but Toriyama rejected all of them and they came to agreement in making a movie about the Saiyans. When that was decided, Broly's popularity came up and originated this movie.

I would like to know what kind of ideas Toei originally had for this movie.

And that's a good thing, wether people on here dislike Broli or not, he needed to be canon in the series since he is way too popular to just leave in the background and not try something new with him.

Nothing needs to be canon. You could want something to be canon, but there's no need for it. Of all the different things they could do with a new movie, I feel like there's a variety of stories they could tell instead of just redoing Movie 8 + Minus with Gogeta.

If anything it's a cheap and easy way to get as many butts in seats as possible. I concede it's an simple way to make lots of money and that Brolli has a lot of fans, but I can't agree that making Brolli canon was a thing that needed to happen.

[Miracles]

Lets just get this clear. Just because Toriyama is writing this movie, doesn’t mean it will be any better than a story by Toei.

Toriyama writes Vegeta with multiple fights with Broly. While TOEI had him cry like a little punk in Movie 8.

[AnimeNation101]

Lets just get this clear. Just because Toriyama is writing this movie, doesn’t mean it will be any better than a story by Toei.

Toriyama writes Vegeta with multiple fights with Broly. While TOEI had him cry like a little punk in Movie 8.

Lol. What I find funny is that you’re forgetting it was Takao Koyama who wrote the Broly movie and not Toei. At least TRY to use facts to counter my statement.

[Miracles]

Lets just get this clear. Just because Toriyama is writing this movie, doesn’t mean it will be any better than a story by Toei.

Toriyama writes Vegeta with multiple fights with Broly. While TOEI had him cry like a little punk in Movie 8.

Lol. What I find funny is that you’re forgetting it was Takao Koyama who wrote the Broly movie and not Toei. At least TRY to use facts to counter my statement.

Touche.