DragonBall Z Abridged

[ShadowDude112]

What how can you not keep that. That's a gold mine joke right there. Yeah it wasn't in the manga but still. Finally hitting his best attack which the cast wonders why he doesn't use, and it doesn't work. The context alone is gold.

It failing-- ever-- never happens in the manga. We just think it plays unfairly against Kuririn. As such, we're not going to keep it.

Thank you! Same can be said for Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell Jr or Kaio knowing the Instantenous Movement. That kind of filler can only hurt the show, i dont know what was Toei thinking.

Kaio knowing Instantaneous Movement was actually a dubism.

[Mewzard]

Fair enough, but I don't think it's unfair. Unfair is creating owned scenes that never happened to Krillin, which I'm pretty sure do exist. I don't see it as unfair since Cell is just a monster and it calls back perfectly to "Why don't you use your Kienzan" which the episodes lampshaded earlier.

It's unfair more that it would take away from the one move Krillin created on his own. Besides, Cell can regenerate. Why not have it work, only to be useless because he can restore himself?

If Base Goku can cut Super Buu with Gotenks Absorbed in half with one, then Krillin should be able to do the same with regular Perfect Cell (the gap between Base Goku and that version of Super Buu should be way higher than Krillin and Perfect Cell).

[Polyphase Avatron]

Except Buu's body is often softer and he lets it get cut or damaged by things because he can just regenerate.

[Saiga]

Kuririn got owned by a goddamn plane crashing into him because Bulma wasn't paying attention. I don't think the Kienzan failing is unfair, just because it wasn't shown being able to fail in the manga.

I think it's better than the running joke of Kuririn being too stupid to try it. At least showing that it's not some instant win move does justify him not solving every problem with it.

[FoolsGil]

What how can you not keep that. That's a gold mine joke right there. Yeah it wasn't in the manga but still. Finally hitting his best attack which the cast wonders why he doesn't use, and it doesn't work. The context alone is gold.

It failing-- ever-- never happens in the manga. We just think it plays unfairly against Kuririn. As such, we're not going to keep it.

Fair enough, but I don't think it's unfair. Unfair is creating owned scenes that never happened to Krillin, which I'm pretty sure do exist. I don't see it as unfair since Cell is just a monster and it calls back perfectly to "Why don't you use your Kienzan" which the episodes lampshaded earlier.

...Yeah I don't think coming off as a dick is going to help further your argument.

Kaiser keep doing you man, just don't work yourself ragged like you did earlier this year.

[jcogginsa]

IIRC, in a few episodes, After Vegeta gets owned, Trunks hands him off to Krillin whilst he goes to fight Cell.

After this episode, i think it's only appropriate that Krillin spend the majority of that time kicking Vegeta in the dick

[KaiserNeko]

Okay, I'm gonna let you in on something.

We *are* doing something with the Kienzan.

Just not *that.*

[RandomGuy96]

Kuririn got owned by a goddamn plane crashing into him because Bulma wasn't paying attention. I don't think the Kienzan failing is unfair, just because it wasn't shown being able to fail in the manga.

I think it's better than the running joke of Kuririn being too stupid to try it. At least showing that it's not some instant win move does justify him not solving every problem with it.

Arguably that's already justified by the fact that the Kienzan is so slow and loud that you can easily dodge one launched at you from a blind spot, to the point where Goku outright calls it a worthless technique and Nappa needs to stand perfectly still with his face stuck out for it to even have a chance at working. Which it doesn't, since Vegeta has enough time to notice the attack tell him to dodge. But you know. If we remembered that then no one would be able to use that hilarious joke about no one using the Solar Flare + Kienzan combo.

Also, no limits fallacies are dumb.

[jcogginsa]

Also, none of the main villains past Vegeta would be killed me it. Cell and Buu Regenerate and Frieza can survive being cut in half

[Captain-Sora]

I like how the episode is bookended by songs about achieving transformations. Was that parallel intentional or just a happy accident?

[dbzfan7]

Fair enough, but I don't think it's unfair. Unfair is creating owned scenes that never happened to Krillin, which I'm pretty sure do exist. I don't see it as unfair since Cell is just a monster and it calls back perfectly to "Why don't you use your Kienzan" which the episodes lampshaded earlier.

It's unfair more that it would take away from the one move Krillin created on his own. Besides, Cell can regenerate. Why not have it work, only to be useless because he can restore himself?

If Base Goku can cut Super Buu with Gotenks Absorbed in half with one, then Krillin should be able to do the same with regular Perfect Cell (the gap between Base Goku and that version of Super Buu should be way higher than Krillin and Perfect Cell).

I'd say it's more unfair to have owned counts added to stuff completely made up, which the series has already done a couple times I believe. How is an in-anime owned point unfair, but a completely made up for a joke owned count is completely fine?

Boo's body is far easier destroyed than Cell's. Bullets can cut through Boo too. He never really cares about being torn up as he regens easily. Cell doesn't quite have that leisure.

Fair enough, but I don't think it's unfair. Unfair is creating owned scenes that never happened to Krillin, which I'm pretty sure do exist. I don't see it as unfair since Cell is just a monster and it calls back perfectly to "Why don't you use your Kienzan" which the episodes lampshaded earlier.

...Yeah I don't think coming off as a dick is going to help further your argument.

It's not being a dick. It's a valid viewpoint. I don't see how an actual anime owned count point is bad, but adding completely made up owned count points such as being hit by the plane and Popo bitch slapping him off Kami's look out are fair game.

[SaiyaSith]

WEN BROLY, KAISER. WEN

[coola]

Kaio knowing Instantaneous Movement was actually a dubism.

In manga at least, Kaio knew about IT, when Goku arrived to his planet to search for Planet Namek, he was surprised Goku knew it, on the other hand, knowing and being able to do it are two different things

[Kuririn Fan]

Kaio knowing Instantaneous Movement was actually a dubism.

In manga at least, Kaio knew about IT, when Goku arrived to his planet to search for Planet Namek, he was surprised Goku knew it, on the other hand, knowing and being able to do it are two different things

It's not dubism, you actually see him do it.

[coola]

Been very long time since i watched anime BTW, at end of episode, Perfect Cell have red eyes, quite interesting animation error

[Puto]

Kaio knowing Instantaneous Movement was actually a dubism.

In manga at least, Kaio knew about IT, when Goku arrived to his planet to search for Planet Namek, he was surprised Goku knew it, on the other hand, knowing and being able to do it are two different things :)

It's not dubism, you actually see him do it.

No, you see him using superspeed.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Kaiser, I loved the way you said "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" That had me dying.

[Hellspawn28]

When TFS does the Buu saga, will they do the After Tenkachi Budokai arc will or they will skip it.

[KaiserNeko]

We will be doing the Anoyoichi Budokai as a movie.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Raising the music as Tien elaborated Krillin's mistake only to drop abruptly once Piccolo got it worked doubly well; usually you do that for something dramatic, but in that instance it was pivotal and ridiculous at the same time! You three were all over the place in trying to make the bad decisions feel more like spur-of-the-moment foibles while enjoying how stupid half the people on screen were being. We talk about this bit of the story so bitterly, about how much of it is pure contrivance so Cell can be perfect versus character flaws piling up. 18's interpreting Krillin's help as badly-timed but charitable, or at least at his own risk, got me thinking that 17 and 18 might not think of the warriors as the "Goku squad" the way Gero did; which in hindsight seems pretty obvious when they had their own personalities enough to mutiny, and thus would not pour over that information the way 16 and 19 seemed to.

I had to remind myself that "Blow yourself up or leave, I don't care which!" was a real line!

Kaiser, I loved the way you said "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" That had me dying.

I love how Kaiser's Trunks is so raw; its not a "character voice" they way Lani's Vegeta and Taka's Cell are. Lani can do those perfect screams, but they're acting, while Trunks has always sounded like a higher-pitched Kaiser, kinda-sorta how Sean's Goku is his speaking voice dialed up.

We will be doing the Anoyoichi Budokai as a movie.

That sounds great! You could pace it much better that way.