Most painful thing that happen to Vegeta in your Opinion?

[rereboy]

rere, do you honestly think Yamucha would be unfaithful to Bulma? He's an honorable man, a class act. He would never cheat on his girlfriend.

Also, Yamucha seems bitter during the early Android saga, when everyone assumes that Trunks is his child, and goes 'It's not mine.' If he did cheat on Bulma, he wouldn't be bitter. As a man of honor, he would accept that he deserved to be ditched. He was so bitter/jealous/etc because he was dumped over a misunderstanding.

Honorable man? Are you talking about the same desert bandit who robbed people and attacked Goku and his gang for their money and capsules?

He saw the light like so many other villains and became a good guy, but he`s not a saint.

Besides even that he totally had complexes with women since when he saw one he nearly fainted. I can totally can see him having trouble in relationships in a multitude of ways. Troubles that could lead him to cheating.

[Wojak]

Honorable man? Are you talking about the same desert bandit who robbed people and attacked Goku and his gang for their money and capsules?

He saw the light like so many other villains and became a good guy, but he`s not a saint.

Besides even that he totally had complexes with women since when he saw one he nearly fainted. I can totally can see him having trouble in relationships in a multitude of ways. Troubles that could lead him to cheating.

First of all, people change. Yamcha became a honorable man who gave his life to protect Earth. And he stopped being a bandit.
He's not a saint, for sure, but I have a hard time thinking of him as a cheater. Especially when he ends up alone with Puar.
Second of all, if you have a phobia to women (like in Yamcha's case), you avoid women. If they make you uncomfortable, you don't seek out for other women.

[rereboy]

Of course everything is a matter of opinion. I won`t object to that.

However, without having a satisfactory answer to my question regarding the authors motives in doing that, I will remain unconvinced.

Again, nobody in here said it was a matter of the author lying. What Trunks' line is is basically a product of Bulma's character in-universe.

To recap and summarize: throughout original Dragon Ball, we see Bulma overeact and accuse Yamucha of cheating with other girls, over what amounts to essentially nothing (a typical example being, random girl gives Yamucha a flirtatious look, Yamucha either kinda akwardly waves back or just outright ignores her, and Bulma has a complete shit attack that Yamucha didn't flat out slug the girl to demonstrate just how NOT into her he was). This shows that Bulma is a very hot tempered, jealous individual.

She probably honestly believes Yamucha was cheating, and therefore would tell Trunks that very same thing (and Trunks would have no reason to doubt her); the actual evidence we see earlier in the series just shows us that Bulma's opinions and views on Yamucha's fidelity are, at best, completely unreliable and colored by a massive jealous streak.

So you are saying that maybe Yamcha didn`t exactly cheat on her, he might just have flirt a little or maybe he noticed other girls a little too much for bulma`s taste.

Ok, that works and I totally agree that`s possible. However, you cannot dismiss the possibility that Yamcha cheated on her. I guess that the actual degree of cheating depends on our opinion. Personally I don`t think Yamcha is a saint like I said in my previous post.

In either case, I think everything else is just like I posted regarding Bulma and Vegeta relationship.

First of all, people change. Yamcha became a honorable man who gave his life to protect Earth. And he stopped being a bandit.
He's not a saint, for sure, but I have a hard time thinking of him as a cheater. Especially when he ends up alone with Puar.
Second of all, if you have a phobia to women (like in Yamcha's case), you avoid women. If they make you uncomfortable, you don't seek out for other women.

My post was just to show you that he isn`t a saint. A great guy yes. But like I said there are great guys who sometimes end up cheating. Nodody`s perfect.

And being scared of women doesn`t mean who will be satisfied in a relationship.
First of all, being that scared of women means you have complexes with women. Psychological problems with them. Probably lack of self confidence regarding the opposite sex.
And if you do a little research you will find out that lack of self confidence is considered to be an important cause of male infidelity.

[Wojak]

And if you do a little research you will find out that lack of self confidence is considered to be an important cause of male infidelity.

Oh, really?
My research shows that male infedility is because of a boring/dead relationship.
A person without self-confidence would think that he didn't deserve better or more.
You're pulling too much psychology into this, and it won't get right like that.
By Dragonball, Yamcha is a cool guy, popular with girls, but noone to be cheating on his girlfriend.
It's just not his style, and nothing I can think him doing.

[Raki]

If Toriyama wrote Yamcha was unfaithful, that's what it is. This isn't our series folks.

[Victator Supreme]

If Toriyama wrote Yamcha was unfaithful, that's what it is. This isn't our series folks.

Yeah but he didn't/ The character of Trunks said it. So its second hand info. Not that I could blame him nobody with a choice would stay with that shrieking harpy for long. Except Vegeta who I sUspect is a maschoist.

[Wojak]

If Toriyama wrote Yamcha was unfaithful, that's what it is. This isn't our series folks.

Yeah, and what I read is that Trunks got information from a drama queen.
Whether you trust that or not lies in your personality.

[rereboy]

And if you do a little research you will find out that lack of self confidence is considered to be an important cause of male infidelity.

Oh, really?
My research shows that male infedility is because of a boring/dead relationship.
A person without self-confidence would think that he didn't deserve better or more.
You're pulling too much psychology into this, and it won't get right like that.
By Dragonball, Yamcha is a cool guy, popular with girls, but noone to be cheating on his girlfriend.
It's just not his style, and nothing I can think him doing.

I`m not saying this is the case with Yamcha or in Dragon ball.

My answer was offtopic, based in real human beings.

It is "proven" by psychology that a man with low self confidence regarding women will always seek reassurance and acceptance by women. In a relationship he will be more "needy" than someone with normal self confidence and he will fall in temptation and cheat more easily if tempted by another girl than a normal man would. That feeling of being "needy" can cause him to never be really satisfied in a relationship also. Most of these men won`t be out looking to cheat, but they fall very easily in temptation if another women appears.

Of course there are other factors, but the level of self confidence is a important one.

Regarding Yamcha, the original text says he was somewhat of a playboy. Like someone said, that doesn`t mean he actually cheated, maybe he just noticed a little too much other women.

But like I said, he`s not a saint, and one way or the other, it doesn`t really surprise me. You dont have to be a jerk to cheat, you can be a great guy and still end up cheating... That`s normal.
Since we never really see many alone or romantic moments I have no idea how Yamcha is in a relationship or if he chases tail or whatever. We never see him in situations like that. Only other situations.

All we know for sure is that the author call him a playboy intentionally. Does that mean he actually cheated or did he just noticed another women a little too much or did he flirt around when other flirted with him? That`s open for interpretation.

(And saying that what Trunks said is second hand info really hold no grounds because there is no logic in the author telling us a lie in the only explanation he ever gives on the matter. Really, why would he do that? . If I was the author and I was writing that particular dialog, intending to never speak of it again, I would explain what really happened so that the reader could know what happened and why they broke up. I see no advantage in telling a lie or making what Bulma said to Trunks not be true.
However, since he said he was a playboy and not that he actually cheated, what he actually did is open for interpretation since Bulma can overreact sometimes.)

I would like to know exactly what Trunks says in the japanese manga, since the playboy thing was in the anime. Too bad Herms isn`t around.

[Raki]

If Toriyama wrote Yamcha was unfaithful, that's what it is. This isn't our series folks.

Yeah, and what I read is that Trunks got information from a drama queen.
Whether you trust that or not lies in your personality.

But who put the idea there? I think it was Toriyama. If he wanted it to be something else, it would be that. To me it all makes sense. Yamcha goes off with other women, Bulma is lonely. Vegeta is there and it happens. Kinda easy to understand when you aren't making up your own scenarios that overcomplicate things.

[Tenshinhan-san]

If Toriyama wrote Yamcha was unfaithful, that's what it is. This isn't our series folks.

Yeah, and what I read is that Trunks got information from a drama queen.
Whether you trust that or not lies in your personality.

But who put the idea there? I think it was Toriyama. If he wanted it to be something else, it would be that.

That's like saying Krillin is the strongest human, because Yamcha had that thought in his head in the Buu Saga 'since Toriyama put it there' (which is bullshit IMO).

I agree with the Bulma overreacting scenario and think that Yamcha never cheated.

[rereboy]

That's like saying Krillin is the strongest human, because Yamcha had that thought in his head in the Buu Saga 'since Toriyama put it there' (which is bullshit IMO).

I agree with the Bulma overreacting scenario and think that Yamcha never cheated.

One thing is when the author makes the characters say or think certain things and later on he implies differently. These are personal thoughts of the characters which get proved wrong later on.

Another thing is when the author explains something using a character to explain it, and he never contradicts or implies differently later on.

You think Yamcha never cheated because you believe he wouldn`t do that. There is nothing in the manga that tells us he didn`t. The only thing in the manga regarding the matter is telling us that he might have.

[Tenshinhan-san]

You think Yamcha never cheated because you believe he wouldn`t do that.

Not really. I think Yamcha never cheated because I know Bulma and how she (over)reacts and blows things out of proportion on a regular basis. On top of that I know Yamcha and how he, never even did anything remotely close to cheating on Bulma.

There is nothing in the manga that tells us he didn`t.

There's also nothing that proves the opposite. All we have is a second hand story on which Trunks based that statement.

Also, Yamcha appeared to remain single after breaking up with Bulma which supports the theory that he wasn't involved with other women.

[Raki]

Yeah, and what I read is that Trunks got information from a drama queen.
Whether you trust that or not lies in your personality.

But who put the idea there? I think it was Toriyama. If he wanted it to be something else, it would be that.

That's like saying Krillin is the strongest human, because Yamcha had that thought in his head in the Buu Saga 'since Toriyama put it there' (which is bullshit IMO).

Is that because you are a clear fan of Ten-san? It's possible that Krillin is stronger than Ten-san. But this thread isn't about that.

[rereboy]

Tenshinhan-san

Alas, you are basing your answer on mere opinion. You believe that Bulma had no reason to break up with him and you believe that Yamcha did nothing. And you are basing these opinions on the pretty much non existing moments in which we get to see a glimpse of how those two actually were in a relationship.

The fact stills remains that the only thing in the manga that tells us what happened, implies that Yamcha had some kind of responsibility.



Personally I think it makes sense that Yamcha cheated or flirted with other women. It makes the situation much more logical and human.

And I actually think I like Yamcha better for it. It makes him human, it gives him a flaw in his character (I always thought that his personality was the most generic of them all. This actually makes him a more interesting character in my opinion.)

And it makes the story of how Trunks came to be and the birth of the Bulma/Vegeta relationship much more believable and human.

[Wojak]

Tenshinhan-san

Alas, you are basing your answer on mere opinion. You believe that Bulma had no reason to break up with him and you believe that Yamcha did nothing. And you are basing these opinions on the pretty much non existing moments in which we get to see a glimpse of how those two actually were in a relationship.

The fact stills remains that the only thing in the manga that tells us what happened, implies that Yamcha had some kind of responsibility.



Personally I think it makes sense that Yamcha cheated or flirted with other women. It makes the situation much more logical and human.

And I actually think I like Yamcha better for it. It makes him human, it gives him a flaw in his character (I always thought that his personality was the most generic of them all. This actually makes him a more interesting character in my opinion.)

And it makes the story of how Trunks came to be and the birth of the Bulma/Vegeta relationship much more believable and human.

First of all, that quote that you embrass so fondly, can be interpreted widely. I could simply say. for example, that you don't know the character Bulma at all since you make that assumption.
She is known to overreact. That's why Krillin doesn't want to phone her when they are in the plane, transporting the sick Goku to a safe place.
What you are saying is that when Goku said "the balls are gone" that he meant the Dragonballs, not that Bulma wasn't equipped with testicles.
You have just taken a quote and decided that your explanation is the one that's true, closing the door for more explanations.

And for the love of God, Yamcha is shown to be human with having many flaws without having to cheat on Bulma. You've just missed it.
Like when he freaks out when Freeza enters Earth. Or when he makes a bad judgement against his opponents in the Tenkaichi Budokais. Or when he stops training and lets go of Martial Arts completely.
He is far from a complete character with many flaws, so I guess you can be happy with it and let go of your "I'm right" posts.

[the_abberration]

Not to stir the pot more than it already is, but I thought this was worth mentioning. While it is true that Trunks said that Yamcha cheated on Bulma, wouldn't it be the Yamcha from the alternate timeline?

Meaning that the Yamcha from the mainstream timeline, could have broken up with Bulma over another set of circumstances. Trunks even says and it was proven numerous times that his presence in the past could cause changes to the future. Just a thought.

[rereboy]

First of all, that quote that you embrass so fondly, can be interpreted widely. I could simply say. for example, that you don't know the character Bulma at all since you make that assumption.
She is known to overreact. That's why Krillin doesn't want to phone her when they are in the plane, transporting the sick Goku to a safe place.
What you are saying is that when Goku said "the balls are gone" that he meant the Dragonballs, not that Bulma wasn't equipped with testicles.
You have just taken a quote and decided that your explanation is the one that's true, closing the door for more explanations.

And for the love of God, Yamcha is shown to be human with having many flaws without having to cheat on Bulma. You've just missed it.
Like when he freaks out when Freeza enters Earth. Or when he makes a bad judgement against his opponents in the Tenkaichi Budokais. Or when he stops training and lets go of Martial Arts completely.
He is far from a complete character with many flaws, so I guess you can be happy with it and let go of your "I'm right" posts.

I`ve already admitted that what Trunks said can be interpreted as him just flirting or just noticing other women a little too much for Bulma`s taste and not really cheating. Go check my posts if you missed that.

The only thing that I don`t agree is the idea that Yamcha did nothing at all.

If he did nothing at all, that means that the author intentionally told us a lie in the only explanation he ever gives us, which I think has no logic at all.
And the idea that Bulma overreacted implies that he did something, so that doesn`t contradict what Trunks and the author said at all.

So like I previously said, what he exactly did is open for interpretation.


Other than that, I just don`t agree that Yamcha couldn`t have cheated, but that`s my opinion. And I really don`t see why someone would say that he couldn`t with certainty since we hardly see how he`s like in a relationship.

Besides even that, what you said about Yamcha are generic flaws that everybody has. Everybody or almost everyone gets scared of someone who`s stronger than him and means to kill him and pretty much everyone in the series misinterprets the strength of an opponent at one point or another.
But if he cheated or even if he flirted, than thats not a generic flaw and it makes him a more interesting character.

Edit: btw, being that aggressive in a post wont make you look any better and certainly wont make you any friends. Relax, this is just a internet forum.

[the_abberration]

Rereboy. It's not considered cheating if they broke up beforehand. Also if you want to reference the manga, consider this conversation after Trunks made his comment. After Trunks told Goku about his parents, Goku is about to leave:

Goku "Bulma, take care of the baby"

Krillin "Baby...? Bulma are you pregnant?"

Bulma "No! What planet is he on?"

Yamcha "I know what he's trying to say. It's time for us to stop stalling, get married, and create a happy family. Ha Ha! That big lug's gotten smoother than I thought!"

Yamcha pretty much asked Bulma to marry him right then and there. And considering how she felt about Yamcha (going back to DB) she does'nt take him up on it? He didn't cheat. At least in the mainstream timeline.

Knowing Bulma, she probrably didn't want to get married and Yamcha broke up with her. When he came back, she had Vegeta's baby. Which is why he was pissed in the Android Saga.

Another thing, keep in mind (and I have to say this in bold) You are talking about a woman who flirted with Vegeta on Namek. The same Vegeta who was responsible for killing Yamacha, her friends, and Piccolo. And would have killed her if he had the chance. And you're taking what she told Trunks at face value? I weep for you rereboy. Blabbermouth Bulma has struck again.

[Wojak]

First of all, that quote that you embrass so fondly, can be interpreted widely. I could simply say. for example, that you don't know the character Bulma at all since you make that assumption.
She is known to overreact. That's why Krillin doesn't want to phone her when they are in the plane, transporting the sick Goku to a safe place.
What you are saying is that when Goku said "the balls are gone" that he meant the Dragonballs, not that Bulma wasn't equipped with testicles.
You have just taken a quote and decided that your explanation is the one that's true, closing the door for more explanations.

And for the love of God, Yamcha is shown to be human with having many flaws without having to cheat on Bulma. You've just missed it.
Like when he freaks out when Freeza enters Earth. Or when he makes a bad judgement against his opponents in the Tenkaichi Budokais. Or when he stops training and lets go of Martial Arts completely.
He is far from a complete character with many flaws, so I guess you can be happy with it and let go of your "I'm right" posts.

I`ve already admitted that what Trunks said can be interpreted as him just flirting or just noticing other women a little too much for Bulma`s taste and not really cheating. Go check my posts if you missed that.

The only thing that I don`t agree is the idea that Yamcha did nothing at all.

If he did nothing at all, that means that the author intentionally told us a lie in the only explanation he ever gives us, which I think has no logic at all.
And the idea that Bulma overreacted implies that he did something, so that doesn`t contradict what Trunks and the author said at all.

So like I previously said, what he exactly did is open for interpretation.


Other than that, I just don`t agree that Yamcha couldn`t have cheated, but that`s my opinion. And I really don`t see why someone would say that he couldn`t with certainty since we hardly see how he`s like in a relationship.

Besides even that, what you said about Yamcha are generic flaws that everybody has. Everybody or almost everyone gets scared of someone who`s stronger than him and means to kill him and pretty much everyone in the series misinterprets the strength of an opponent at one point or another.
But if he cheated or even if he flirted, than thats not a generic flaw and it makes him a more interesting character.

Edit: btw, being that aggressive in a post wont make you look any better and certainly wont make you any friends. Relax, this is just a internet forum.

But my point is, that Bulma could easily have interpreted Yamcha's actions as flirting, without him flirting at all.
She is a crazy woman after all, and to many characters "a little too much".

The reason I don't believe that Yamcha cheated is because of that he had a pretty long and faithful relationship with Bulma until we see her again in the arrival of Radditz. And even when Yamcha is killed, Bulma reacts strongly, meaning that she had strong feelings.
I think that it reflects on how strong their relationship was, before Vegeta stepped into the picture.
And even in the future, we see those two coming along just fine, something that wouldn't be possible if he was a cheating bastard.
You can do nothing and all and still have people suspecting that you are up to something.

And what I meant with his flaws was that I felt that you pressed the stamp of cheating on Yamcha so hard because of that it would make him interesting.
My bad if I misunderstood.

And also, not every bubble in the manga is supposed to be pure facts.
On one hand, Krillin said that Cell was a monster power-wise. On another hand, Gohan didn't react and was confused what the deal was about.
Conclusion?
They had their different stories and experiences with Cell's power, and thus Toriyama shows us that he indeed can write dialouges with personal experiences, and that Trunks's quote from Bulma about Yamcha being a cheating bastard could be disregarded entirely as something true if you want to, if you add her impulsive and hot-headed personality into it.

About the agressive part of my post: I wasn't trying to look better, and I'm not on a forum to make friends, I am here to discuss Dragonball.
I was merely a little bit upset about you putting a gagball on people that thought that Yamcha didn't do anything with the same quote over and over again, claiming that your interpretation was the correct one.

So with this, I haven't got anything more to say about this topic.

[rereboy]

You misunderstood me wojak . But thats ok.

And I get what you are trying to say. However I really don`t think that in that moment, the author was trying to give us a personal opinion of bulma to her son. I think he was trying to give us the truth about what happened. Just like the rest of the dialog about the cyborgs. Especially because he didn`t contradict that story about their breakup later on. But I`ve already said all that.

We might as well conclude this offtopic.

the_abberration, I`ve answered you in the other topic.