Dragon Box to include BOTH dub tracks?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:38 pm

And besides, Funi's probably only recently encoded the discs already. I checked the properties of the Season 9 discs and they said, "Created: March 10, 2009" or some shit, so they probably encode the discs 2 months before their release date.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:38 pm

Looking at the Bardock single disk just released, there is no English dub with English music track. If it's being phased out there, why not the Dragonbox?

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:41 pm

So what exactly is the deal breaker here? Are people mad because the extra audio track is going to dramatically reduced the quality of the video or are people mad because the video simply isn't going to be "as good as it should be" (even by a little) I mean is this something the average person would notice or do you really have to knowledgeable in this kind of stuff to see these kinds of reduction in quality? How bad could it be?

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:43 pm

Wait...the new Bardock and trunks special do NOT have the Faulconer music?

.:PoetikaL:. · Post by **.:PoetikaL:.** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:44 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:Wait...the new Bardock and trunks special do NOT have the Faulconer music?

Precisely. Go check the review.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:44 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:Wait...the new Bardock and trunks special do NOT have the Faulconer music?

Yes. Look at Tanooki's review and the picture of the back cover. No English dub with English music listing.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:46 pm

WOW good thing I didnt buy them.

I'm sticking with the Steelcases.

maybe I WONT be buying the DragonBoxes after all.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:51 pm

isucamper wrote:
I assume you're looking at the original release and not the extended cut which spanned over two discs?

The Dbox discs aren't compareable to any old DVD. A better comaprison would be to look at a "Super Bit" DVD in which all special features and unneeded audio tracks are left off in order to fill the disc with a maxed out video track.

If you compare the Super Bit version of Snatch to the regular release, you WILL see a difference. I have and I did.

For the record I have the 2 disc set and I was only looking at the second disc. I'm not quiet clear as to what the special features are with the Dragonbox(if there are any) but I would image they would be put on a separate disc.

I do have a better understanding of what you are saying though and I can see why some people would be concerned. However its like other people have said, this isn't the same dragonbox that was released in Japan. This is Funimation taking the Dragonbox and redistributing them to the American audience.

On top of all that it took like what, 3 months for Funimation to give us an answer on what the audio options are so it should be understood that they are testing things before release.

Its quite clear they are aiming for fans of the original series and not the Dub fans because, like they said ,original audio with Subs is the standard option on the disc. However this is an AMERICAN release, and it would be stupid marketing wise not to include the dub audio tracks to target ALL fans and milk it for all its worth.

No one is going to get left out with this release and Funimation looks like they are really working to make everyone happy. So people shouldn't stress over this and should just be happy the Dragonbox is coming to America and all fans of the series can be happy for once.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:54 pm

I'm still pretty much in the same boat I was before the thread; I'm going to wait until there's more information that's solidly confirmed before I decide if I want to buy or not. What I'm waiting for most of all is the fate of all the extras that were on the original DBoxes that have not been released by Funi yet.

As for the dub; honestly, I can live without the Falconer track. I don't hate it or anything, I just don't care about it.

I'm not a techie, so I don't know much about compression when it comes to video/audio, but I do know about it when it comes to artwork and I have seen the difference different levels of compression can make. Am I worried that the video will suffer? A little, but I don't have enough information at this point from Funi to know how much.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:55 pm

I don't know about that. I WAS on board the 'Funi is trying to make EVERYONE happy' but if the new tv specials dont have the 3rd Dub/Dub track...I'm not buying them.

And just maybe they wont have the Dub/Dub track on the Dboxes...and if so, I wont be buying them either.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:57 pm

LeprikanGT wrote:I don't know about that. I WAS on board the 'Funi is trying to make EVERYONE happy' but if the new tv specials dont have the 3rd Dub/Dub track...I'm not buying them.

And just maybe they wont have the Dub/Dub track on the Dboxes...and if so, I wont be buying them either.

Funi is phasing out the Dub music tracks. I guess they realize they don't need it anymore.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:58 pm

You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:58 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:So what exactly is the deal breaker here? Are people mad because the extra audio track is going to dramatically reduced the quality of the video or are people mad because the video simply isn't going to be "as good as it should be" (even by a little) I mean is this something the average person would notice or do you really have to knowledgeable in this kind of stuff to see these kinds of reduction in quality? How bad could it be?

These releases AREN'T for the average viewer, they're for the harcore, so people not wanting any video compromises are just wanting what they've been promised. If they make the set with all this and the video and sound aren't compromised, no one's going to care.

jjgp1112 wrote:You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.

That's rather nasty of you.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:59 pm

Sorry, but all of this arguing is just making me REALLY bitter.

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:00 pm

@jj - Thats one of the reasons I want it as well.

Id rather hear no music in the show than flutes and woodwinds and orchestra during my DBZ battles.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:00 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.

What purpose does that serve? If these sets and the show at large sell no matter the score, why is the dub score important? So important that it risks lowering the visual quality of these sets?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:01 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Here I'm looking at the back of the LoTR Two Towers DVD. The run time is 179 minutes, a lot longer than 6-7 Dragonball episodes(which if you figure about 20 minutes for each episode they would add up to at max 140 minutes). Along with that the disc also had room for both Digital 5.1 surround sound(an option I doubt will be on the Dragonbox) and Stereo surround sound. It also had English and Spanish audio and subtitles. Keeping that in mind the video quality was beyond great. So how will the Dragonbox suffer?

Animation is a lot more difficult to encode than live-action material from what I've read, and it seems to be the case from the releases I've seen. Some animation literally can't be encoded in MPEG-2 without issues (the 'manga' scenes in FLCL jump to mind, which suffered from macroblocking in both the R1 and R2 releases despite being having only two episodes per disc).

Metalwario64 wrote:If that was the case then why would they advertise English subtitles and a dub track?

Why you little...! ;p

And for isucamper, here's the stats on one of the DragonBox discs, namely the 7th disc of the second box. It has episodes 184-189.

Now, given that a DL DVD maxes at ~7.95GiB, you have a little extra space but nothing earth shattering. So, the DragonBoxes basically contain the maximum quality afforded to the medium.

Chrono Trigger wrote: I mean is this something the average person would notice or do you really have to knowledgeable in this kind of stuff to see these kinds of reduction in quality? How bad could it be?

The "average person" didn't seem to care about/understand the whole widescreen debable (see "lawl hair and feets (omg gokuu sound ghey in jap talk)" for further reference), so I doubt they'd notice if FUNi pulled a Manga Entertainment and packed the discs with a ton of audio tracks and completely sacrificed the video bitrate. Thing is, as FUNi themselves have said, this isn't a release for the "average person."

-Corey

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:02 pm

Raki wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.
What purpose does that serve? If these sets and the show at large sell no matter the score, why is the dub score important? So important that it risks lowering the visual quality of these sets?

For the love of god. Before you claim one additional 2.0 Audio track will damage the quality of the picture, why don't you give some sort of proof.

verto · Post by **verto** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:03 pm

Raki wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.
What purpose does that serve? If these sets and the show at large sell no matter the score, why is the dub score important? So important that it risks lowering the visual quality of these sets?

Using this logic, why is the Japanese score so important?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:03 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:You know what? Now I just want the dub track to be on there just because it's presence will piss off those who think it shouldn't be there.

That's borderline trolling, and you know it. It's fine if the news makes you happy, but quit gloating and watch your antagonistic attitude.