Wow, the Japanese soundtrack is horrible!

[cRookie_Monster]

He wouldn't use those instruments anyway...they are like 14 years old. There's way better stuff out there...(and honestly was back then too but I think anything new from Faulconer wouldn't use those old sounds)

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

He wouldn't use those instruments anyway...they are like 14 years old. There's way better stuff out there...(and honestly was back then too but I think anything new from Faulconer wouldn't use those old sounds)

True. That would be the main reason.

[Commander_Red]

And really, the dub score for DBZ isn't like any Japanese score for an anime I can think of.

It's a bit like the score for Grendizer and maybe a little Mazinger. Wonder why that is...


What if you were introducing the music to someone through the ost CDs? Would stereo and bass without the cackly old mono make a good impression?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

And really, the dub score for DBZ isn't like any Japanese score for an anime I can think of.

It's a bit like the score for Grendizer and maybe a little Mazinger

and Getter Robo.

Seriously, it's not that revolutionary. His older scores sound a lot like his Dragon Ball score.

What if you were introducing the music to someone through the ost CDs? Would stereo and bass without the cackly old mono make a good impression?

It wouldn't, that's why I think Kikuchi should redo the BGM with newer instruments and technology.

[Commander_Red]

I dunno, the track for DBZ movie 1 is pretty damn awesome to listen to.

My history with the original music goes something like - Found old midis of the opening songs. Found clip of Vegeta pounding snot out of Cell. Found some insert songs through old german site. Pioneer movies 1 & 2 (tv version of 3, bleargh). Downloading old bad subs of movies 5-6-13. Purchasing 5cd set (sadly bootleg).

By the time I finally heard the Saiyan Saga in Japanese I was disappointed in how often the tracks were used over and over. It really is kind of annoying. I don't think it's until Cell that the series had enough tracks composed for it that they don't repeat so often.

And it's funny that after listening to the 5cd ost you imagine they'd use the bouncy upbeat songs for the action more than ends up being put in. Which is either silence or something slow and menacing continuing on from whatever conversation they'd just had.

If Toei had kept more of the old Dragon Ball music for Z I think those early seasons would sound much better.

[cRookie_Monster]

Yeah editing is hard when the library is small. It definitely got easier and easier as time went by and ours grew.

[Tsukento]

Considering the number of CD sets released, and the fact that there's still a good chunk of music that's been unreleased, I'd say Kikuchi's library is anything but small.

[Chrome]

I love the Japanese soundtrack, owning several CDs which I can listen to time after time, but I do agree with the flaws that have been pointed out. I just wish they'd expanded the idea of themes for characters further. They have a wonderful, memorable leitmotif for Piccolo for example, and I would've loved to have seen that kinda musical idea utilised better.

As for the American one, I would've liked it if they'd been allowed to be a little more daring with the orchestral stuff... the crap patches didn't help, I can think of a number of songs from the American soundtrack that would sound far better with a neater arrangement and more authentic patches. The brass sections in particular sounded pretty ropey and the strings weren't all that strong at times. =/

Piccolo's (second) American theme is one such example. Great track, highly-listenable but definitely would've benefitted from better orchestral patches.

Funnily enough Scott, the two Bruce tracks you mentioned, Ginyu Transformation (the popular one) and Cell Jr Theme (the not-so-popular one), I don't really like either of them. lol I heard some of the stuff on his site, and it was good, but I don't like those tracks.

[LilKokuLink]

Considering the number of CD sets released, and the fact that there's still a good chunk of music that's been unreleased, I'd say Kikuchi's library is anything but small.

I don't think he was talking about Kikuchi's score. o.0

[RoarkVegeta]

I will admit, I can see where you are coming from. I used to think that somewhat it was boring when watching the original DragonBall back on TV in the early 2000s. However, I used to think it was a lot better than what I was hearing back in the DragonBall Z dub. When I first started buying the series, I got the VHS. I had no option to watch the Japanese version. When I got DVDs, I said "Hey, what's this?". The music was good. The Saiyan arc's music is VERY VERY repetitive, as there are many variations on a single song.

[Tsukento]

Considering the number of CD sets released, and the fact that there's still a good chunk of music that's been unreleased, I'd say Kikuchi's library is anything but small.

I don't think he was talking about Kikuchi's score. o.0

Maybe it's me, but it seems to imply it. Especially when there's been comments (not necessarily from him) thrown around that the Japanese version reusing some of the same tracks and implying the original had little variety.

[Metalwario64]

Maybe it's me, but it seems to imply it.

He said "ours" which is referring to the "Faulconer" dub score.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Maybe it's me, but it seems to imply it.

He said "ours" which is referring to the "Faulconer" dub score.

Really? There have been 9 albums of Faulconer BGM, but Season 3 and 4 really got repetitve with the music.

[cRookie_Monster]

Maybe it's me, but it seems to imply it.

He said "ours" which is referring to the "Faulconer" dub score.

Really? There have been 9 albums of Faulconer BGM, but Season 3 and 4 really got repetitve with the music.

Exactly my point. We(Faulconer Productions) started with season 3. Editing was toughest in season 3 because the library was just starting out and was a lot smaller.

There's a fair amount that was unreleased btw. "Vegeta Kills 19", "Caroni and Piroshki", "Calm" , "Dark Calm", "Guru Thme Extended" are examples of stuff I worked on but were never released.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

There's a fair amount that was unreleased btw. "Vegeta Kills 19", "Caroni and Piroshki", "Calm" , "Dark Calm", "Guru Thme Extended" are examples of stuff I worked on but were never released.

Yeah, I really liked Guru's theme and Dark Calm.

Any chance of another "Lost Tracks of DBZ" being released?

[xzero]

There's a fair amount that was unreleased btw. "Vegeta Kills 19", "Caroni and Piroshki", "Calm" , "Dark Calm", "Guru Thme Extended" are examples of stuff I worked on but were never released.

Yeah, I really liked Guru's theme and Dark Calm.

Any chance of another "Lost Tracks of DBZ" being released?

There's a facebook group about getting Funimation to release all of the unreleased music through iTunes or something that wouldn't require actual CDs (since there probably wouldn't be enough buyers to justify production costs). There's also a pretty thorough project on another website where people are ripping as many tracks as possible that can have the voices and SFX extracted from them. A lot of this stuff is available on YouTube (search for coycoy as a username; he's got a lot of stuff, including some that I ripped from DVD menus and the like).

I imagine that Funimation owns all of the music, so there shouldn't be any problem with them releasing it for fans. They simply haven't done so yet. At the same time, I don't know if they have any real interest in doing so either. I know that at least 100 separate tracks (either completely unreleased, remixed, or both) have been identified as "unreleased," which would be a lot of money for them if all of the fans downloaded them.

[cRookie_Monster]

There's a fair amount that was unreleased btw. "Vegeta Kills 19", "Caroni and Piroshki", "Calm" , "Dark Calm", "Guru Thme Extended" are examples of stuff I worked on but were never released.

Yeah, I really liked Guru's theme and Dark Calm.

Any chance of another "Lost Tracks of DBZ" being released?

I'd be surprised if you actually knew what those were, where would you have heard them? (There's more than one Guru theme btw, I bet you are thinking of the released choral one)

I've heard that Funi won't let Bruce release anymore CDs. That's just other fans talking. I don't talk with him except through lawyers these days.

[Optimus]

I like the original Japanese score, I feel it stands out in terms of quality. I liked and put emphasis on liked Faulconer's score, I did watch Funi's dub first after all. Music actually doesn't matter as much to me it seems as some members here, but please don't take that as an insult, just an observation. I do notice the generic American score seems to be, fitting of a typical action cartoon, not a martial arts, sci-fi, epic. Especially, the movies, when Funi got band music, is pretty generic as well. To me the American music is somewhat of a guilty pleasure, but that's just me.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

There's a facebook group about getting Funimation to release all of the unreleased music through iTunes or something that wouldn't require actual CDs (since there probably wouldn't be enough buyers to justify production costs). There's also a pretty thorough project on another website where people are ripping as many tracks as possible that can have the voices and SFX extracted from them. A lot of this stuff is available on YouTube (search for coycoy as a username; he's got a lot of stuff, including some that I ripped from DVD menus and the like).

I imagine that Funimation owns all of the music, so there shouldn't be any problem with them releasing it for fans. They simply haven't done so yet. At the same time, I don't know if they have any real interest in doing so either. I know that at least 100 separate tracks (either completely unreleased, remixed, or both) have been identified as "unreleased," which would be a lot of money for them if all of the fans downloaded them.

Whoa, cool! That coycoy has ripped a lot of music and he even has Menza's GT BGM. Thanks!

(There's more than one Guru theme btw, I bet you are thinking of the released choral one)

Yeah I was. Didn't realise at the time that it had already been released.

[UristtheGreat]

Since we're on the topic of Menza, what else has he done besides GT? I've always wondered that.