Xyex wrote:It's like watching your favorite movie only to get to your favorite line, and as you're saying it the actor on screen is not.
Ok wait, are you or aren't you making a complaint about the changed lines?
I thought you were, you told me you weren't, and now this looks like a complaint about the changed lines... I'm confused now.
Xyex wrote:And I never said that you did. But while you had a few changed because there was no other option, and a few of them just aren't as good as they once were, none of the real big roles have been changed (like Freeza). And I don't mean just a change of actor, I mean also a change of direction. Imagine the stink if Toei had decided to recast Freeza and changed the voice direction to match more closely with Ocean Freeza.
If that happened, I'd give the new Toei Freeza a shot, actually listen to it and see how it sounded and then form my opinion from that. I had to do that with the new Nappa, I had to do that with the new Kamesen'nin, and I had to do that with the new Tenshinhan. I'd just do it for Freeza too.
You haven't even HEARD the new Freeza yet, and you're making a blanket judgment on it before ever even hearing it.
Xyex wrote:And let's be honest here. The number of dub fans who like the changes, compared to those who don't, or don't care, are far smaller than the number of sub fans who like them or don't care.
Ok, I don't understand what this sentence means, it's written awkwardly.
But my argument is, The people who honestly like the changes (Sub fans who like them, Dub fans who are open to change and) mixed with the people who don't care either way (As in People who are entirely apathetic to the cast changes so long as the total main cast sounds familiar to them) FAR outweighs the hardcore dub contingent who will be genuinely upset about this. Because truly, the Casual fans who are mostly apathetic outnumbers all of the rest of us by a wide margin.
Xyex wrote:Also, if the DBK dub is good, then so is the FUNi dub. New Bulma is more annoying than Old Bulma and New Gohan is neither better or worse, just a different kind of annoying. So in terms of voices, it is so far worse than the Z dub. Who knows, maybe the new Namek era cast will be incredible and amazing and that will change. But so far the DBK dub is no better than the DBZ dub. It's just more accurate in terms of dialogue.
Here is where your opinion comes in!
New Bulma is more annoying TO YOU, possibly because you prefer Old Bulma.
New Bulma sounds MUCH Better to me, she has less of the "Valley Girl" tude than she had last time and sounds more pleasant to me.
New Gohan sounds about the same to you. Just a "Different kind of annoying".
New Gohan sounds MUCH better to me, Colleen is better at sounding the right age and maturity level for Gohan. She sounds like a cute little boy in the beginning, and sounds sufficiently matured and toughed up after Gohan's training, without starting to sound too out of his age range.
So, in terms of Voices, FOR YOU, it's far worse than the Z Dub.
So, In terms of Voices, FOR ME, It's an extreme improvement on the Z Dub, especially on the fact that all the actors, even the ones who are returning are MUCH better at their craft this time around. Piccolo especially sounds leagues better.
Stating your opinion as fact does not make it such.
Xyex wrote:And those criticism would be fine... if they were actually true and not absurd exaggerations. Kid Gohan's voice was absolutely nothing like that of a chain smoker with a damaged throat. I've known such people, I've heard their voices frequently. Nadolny's kid Gohan voice comes no closer to them than Nozawa comes to sounding like Superman.
Again, we bring your opinion into it.
In my opinion, Nozawa does a sufficient job of sounding like a Male, but I don't ever think "Goku sounds like a girl" is exaggerating, it's just their opinion.
Xyex wrote:And as for Freeza... I don't know, apparently to some people the voice sounds female. But I've never heard it. Ever. Hell, I didn't even know it was a woman voicing the character until I was told so. Which was not the case for Nozawa's Goku.
Are... are you serious? Watch Yu Yu Hakusho. In that, she plays a little old lady.
Her Freeza voice and her Genkai voice are Identical. True, she gives Freeza a slightly different attitude, but Freeza essentially sounds like a much more arrogant Genkai.
Also, you have NO idea how often I've seen and heard people say "Wait, Freeza's a Guy?!"
I mean, I don't agree that Nozawa sounds too feminine, I think she does a really good job of sounding masculine, but I am under NO delusions that it's impossible to tell that a woman is providing the voices. It's pretty easy, the voice just fits. It fits even better if you watch the whole series starting with Dragon Ball and see the evolution of the voice. But Son is definitely played by a woman, just like Luffy is, just like Naruto is, etc, etc.
"FUNi should take [DBZ] out behind the woodshed, give it one last treat, then blow its f%#@$ng brains out before it attacks the baby again." ~Rocketman
