Which dialogue changes do you think hurt the dub the most?

[Deep Thought]

I agree with Rocketman. The changes that the original anime does to the manga are arguably as egregious as the changes that the Funi dub made to the original anime. Neither of them really have the right to desecrate their respective source materials as heavily as they did. However, they both somewhat made amends with Kai; the Funi dub is no longer abysmal and Toei straightened out a lot of the atrocious shit they tacked on to the original story. I use the word "somewhat" because the new Funi dub is still imperfect in my eyes and because Toei still kept quite a bit of their filler intact, and they also prematurely ended Kai, so Kai still isn't really the perfect release at all, but it's more faithful to the source material for both Funi and Toei.

[SylentEcho]

Look at this rubbish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKDim_UdpVs

Freeza wanting a countdown.

[Casual Matt]

So what you're saying is that funimation should put in huge font lettering, DRAGONBALL: ENGLISH SPEAKING EDITION? That's kind of ridiculous don't you think?

Well, maybe they shouldn't have thrown around phrases like "definitive" or "the way it was meant to be seen" at least.

Well, I guess they can now since they're releasing the Dragon Boxes. Kudos on tha, FUNimation. Kudos.

I have to admit, there is some additional dialogue that was done very well. One example is the added dialogue during Majin Vegeta's speech while he was trying to get Goku to fight him. It was very powerful with so much emotion.

Well, I don't think anybody is claiming the dub is all bad all the time. But the few scenes that were done well, or even improved hardly outweigh the mountains of bad dialogue.

As others have said, I think you're confusing what Trunks said with what Kamesennin said in his flashback he told to Marron. In it, I believe he referred to "General" Tao (Pai Pai) as the heart, and Dr. Gero as the brain, basically chalking up the leadership of the Red Ribbon Army to one guy who was a subcontracted employee, and another who hadn't been mentioned or even invented at the time of that arc. Commander Red is never mentioned, and Black isn't referred to by name (he's simply referred to as the "one man left").

That type of thing its probably what I hate the most. Bad characterizations and corny dialogue are one thing, but stuff like this is blantant misinformation. Heck, it's not even consistent with their own dub. It's just wrong.

Banned or not, SSV does have a point that the dub takes it harder for bullshit that the JP anime pulls also.

Well, here's the thing. The show has lots of jokes and silliness at various points. But when the FUNimation dub then includes those silly moments and also adds their own, ending up with a lot more silliness, and having to put it in places where it may not be appropriate to do it.

As Benjamin "Yahtzee" Croshaw once said "You wouldn't bring desks to an office temp job, they've already got them there!"

FUNimation added moments of levity, but the show already had them when it was warranted.

[roidrage]

That type of thing its probably what I hate the most. Bad characterizations and corny dialogue are one thing, but stuff like this is blantant misinformation. Heck, it's not even consistent with their own dub. It's just wrong.

Mischaracterization is also misinformation in a way, as are dialogue changes. From a fan's standpoint, it's not a dubbing company's job to improve or change a show in any way, but to translate it for a foreign audience.

What disappoints me the most is that the VAs are fully capable of recreating the original jokes; my own views on homosexuality being irrelevant, I love Sonny Strait as General Blue, and think he could have pulled off that aspect of the character perfectly. Same with Master Roshi; his voice is ripe for boob-feeling comments.

[DBZ Mick]

* I think a lot of the whole power-level crap comes down to the dub getting them wrong.

* All the 'comedy' scenes and also adding random jokes that aren't funny during fights.

[MetaMoss]

Banned or not, SSV does have a point that the dub takes it harder for bullshit that the JP anime pulls also.

Yes the original pulls corny jokes, but as I said on the Moderation Rant thread, they didn't use them to the extent that FUNi did. I remember watching the first 50 episodes in DBZ in Japanese and English for comparison, and the English dub had corny jokes way more often, to the point I was gonna pull out my hair and shoot myself because I had realized my favorite show as a child was nothing more than a half-assed grab at kids compared to the original.

[Akumaito Beam]

Say the anime is as bad as the dub. Wouldn't that just mean the dub is doing nothing but adding a shit ton of problems on top of a shit ton of problems? Say there's a joke in an inappropriate place in the Japanese version, more often then not you can count on there being 5 more if you're watching the Funimation dub. If I dubbed over Star Wars episodes 1-3 with the sounds of nothing but wet sloppy farts it wouldn't excuse the dub from being horrible just because the original films were shit.

As for the anime getting away with these problems, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure the community calls the anime out on this kind of thing on a regular basis.

[SylentEcho]

Well this is something odd I came across in the sub:


Don't hold it against me, I just HAD to post this somewhere and this is the closest thread for it.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Well this is something odd I came across in the sub:


Don't hold it against me, I just HAD to post this somewhere and this is the closest thread for it.

Thank you! With a show like Dragon Ball you're going to get a couple winners even in the original language.

Banned or not, SSV does have a point that the dub takes it harder for bullshit that the JP anime pulls also.

Yes the original pulls corny jokes, but as I said on the Moderation Rant thread, they didn't use them to the extent that FUNi did. I remember watching the first 50 episodes in DBZ in Japanese and English for comparison, and the English dub had corny jokes way more often, to the point I was gonna pull out my hair and shoot myself because I had realized my favorite show as a child was nothing more than a half-assed grab at kids compared to the original.

Same reaction here, the original dub almost sent me to Kai (Glad I didn't go through with that now) over the DBoxes. The Orange Brick redubs were really nice, without redoing the Freeza battle they lose their primary purpose. Were Schmmeul and Young really that sick of it by that point?

That said, that the original is in fact great is always encouraging for dubbies; Dragon Ball is one of the few places I often hear "I loved it as a kid, but now it sucks- then I watched the Japanese version..."