Most overrated characters in terms of power?

[SylentEcho]

Zarbon comes to mind first! Nappa, Raditz and Guldo.

I for one wouldn't say Broli because he pretty much lived up to the hype by thrashing everyone thoroughly.

[Rostir]

I really don't understand how anyone is overrated in terms of power except for Broly, everyone else mentioned except for him in this thread, I have no idea how you guys could say that.

[goldsaint13]

The anime guidebook "Son Goku Densetsu" says SSJ Gotenks is stronger than Gohan(obviously pre ultimate), but nothing more.

A lot stronger...

That and Daizenshuu 7's bio for him are the only times his power is directly compared to other characters(with the exception of Gohan). Of course this shits all over what Goku had previously established, namely Fat Buu < Gotenks, explaining my previous joke.

If in the group of characters the Daizenshuu 7 includes both Vegeta and Goku, it's clearly in line with the manga, because Gotenks is traited as being possibly able to defeat Fat Buu with SSJ1 but not as easily as SSJ3 Goku max power would be able to...
So, SSJ3 Goku is of course stronger than Gotenks before the RoSaT... The strange thing is to say: "stronger than Vegeta and the others" and not "stronger than Goku and the others", although the sense is the same rationally...

But it's clear that Goku supposed that Gotenks SSJ1 (unless the 2 could turn SSJ2 and we don't know) is stronger than Majin Vegeta SSJ2 since Vegeta died against Fat Buu and Goku didn't want the same for the kids...

I agree but the way the Daizenshuu 7 thing is worded, it makes it sound like that Gotenks only surpassed Vegeta, because he levelled up/transformed so much, meaning SSJ Gotenks = SSJ Vegeta < SSJ 2 Gotenks = SSJ 2 Vegeta < SSJ 3 Gotenks = SSJ 3 Goku??

Not exactly... At worst it sounded like SSJ1 Gotenks before RoSaT = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta... Then after the training he unlocked new forms and supassed him... And this of course makes him far stronger than Goku...

Doubtful if it's supposed to be viewed that way though, since "the others" should include Goku as well if you ask me.
Meh.

That would make even more sense with the manga where Goku clearly thinks that SSJ1 Gotenks had chances against Fat Buu while SSJ2 Majin Vegeta didn't... But of course Gotenks surpassed Goku only after the RoSaT because Goku has SSJ3...

I guess the main concern was to make the final battle way more dramatic than what it originally was, so they included those lines, so kids watching nationwide would be even more excited about it. They probably didn't think anyone would look at it that seriously.

Disgusting...



Any kid with a bit of brain should understand that Vegetto could pulverize Kid Buu with a cough...

Beside it... Goku himself in the anime said to not having chances against Super Buu... And the longer fight with Super Buutenks shows how Gohan can stand the fight a lot better than SSJ3 Goku...

[Rocketman]

The entire setup and execution of the Kid Buu fight is so stupid it should just be considered an extended gag scene.

[goldsaint13]

The entire setup and execution of the Kid Buu fight is so stupid it should just be considered an extended gag scene.

Agree... Goku and him even bite each other... Absurd...


There's more tension and hype in the brief struggle between Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu that in the whole SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu joke battle... It rivals with Gotenks vs Super Buu in terms of absurdity...

[Michsi]

Agree... Goku and him even bite each other... Absurd...

But, Goku has bitten people before....plenty of times actually, if memeory serves

[goldsaint13]

But, Goku has bitten people before....plenty of times actually, if memeory serves

True... But doing it as SSJ3 feels strange to me... That's the form of Goku that is farther from that childish attitude typical of him...

[Hellspawn28]

I agree with everyone with Broly, Movie 10 is barely on SSj2 level if you ask me. I found some of the GT characters overrated in power, they are strong but I doubt most of the minor characters are stronger then Vegito. Haze Shenron was pretty much a joke character, I doubt he is even that strong.

[Cipher]

I agree with everyone with Broly, Movie 10 is barely on SSj2 level if you ask me.

He has to be at least on Super Saiyan 2 level though. He goes toe-to-toe with a weakened Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. He doesn't decisively beat him, but he definitely has the upper hand. So all we can really say is that he's in-or-around Super Saiyan 2. I can't imagine what implies he's "barely" there.

There's this weird thing with the fanbase where it seems people either believe Broly's "maximum," or, in direct opposition to that, place him a great deal lower than he should be. He's a ball-park Super Saiyan 2.

[Rocketman]

There's this weird thing with the fanbase where it seems people either believe Broly's "maximum," or, in direct opposition to that, place him a great deal lower than he should be. He's a ball-park Super Saiyan 2.

Probably because SS2 Gohan absolutely obliterated the Cell Jrs, who were equal to/stronger than Vegeta, Trunks and probably Goku with less effort than Broly was putting in.

And Buu arc Gohan's hair making it debatable if he's SS1 or 2.

[Fox666]

It seemed to be that in the movie Vegeta was actually roughly at the same level of Goku. So I won't use that as a reference.

[Super Vegito]

He has to be at least on Super Saiyan 2 level though.

I agree.

Movie 8, complete obliteration. Not even funny. Broly got one-punched at the end for the sake of ending the movie. I put him at full power Perfect Cell.

Movie 10, he's even stronger now, and holds his own against a weakened SSJ 2 Gohan. I put him at Super Perfect Cell here. Yes, Gohan SSJ 2. There's no way a weakened SSJ 1 Gohan could even touch an even stronger Broly, that knocked him out in Movie 8.

[Pantalones]

Overrated characters?

Super Perfect Cell's probably a bit overrated when you consider that Gohan still killed him even with only one arm; some people seem to think they're equals, even though Gohan was clearly stronger. Not super uber overrated or anything, though.

Freeza. He's not really relevant anymore once the Androids (#17 and #18 at least) show up, no matter how much people might want his "strongest in the universe" boast to have actually been meaningful. Any of the Super Saiyans at that point could have killed him with little effort; Piccolo could most likely pull it off pretty well also. And Tenshinhan with his super rapid-fire Kikoho, too, if Freeza wasn't smart enough to avoid it anyway (and he's Freeza, so... he'd probably try to take it head-on, and then Daddy would need to get him a new set of robot parts all over again.) Krillin could kill Freeza with a Kienzan also, but... that probably would've worked even before Krillin had three extra years of training. And of course, any of the Androids would have an even easier time with Freeza.
At this point the only "main fighter" characters who couldn't kill Freeza with a few quick attacks would be Gohan (mainly because he's not Super Saiyan yet) and Yamcha (just too wimpy, and no super-special moves to balance it out for him.)

Recoome. For some odd reason a lot of people want to put him above Jeice and Burter, sometimes even significantly above them... despite Krillin sensing that all three were of a similar level of power (in the Kai dub he says that the other two are "at least as strong" as Recoome, implying that they're not just close to Recoome's power, they're equal or greater.) And this was while Recoome was in the middle of a fight, while Jeice and Burter hadn't even started yet, which most likely means Krillin wasn't getting their full power--even though they don't know how to suppress their ki, they can still pump more of it into powerful attacks (like Jeice's Crusher Ball) than they can into generic punches and kicks.

The skinny Evil Buu is pretty overrated, I'd say. Everyone seems to have this idea that he's soooo much stronger than the fat Buu, even though the way he "beat" Fat Buu was by that cheap-shot turn-you-into-food attack that would've worked on anyone short of the Goku+Vegeta fusions.

Pui Pui and Yakon are sometimes underrated, but more often are overrated. I'm not sure exactly how strong either of them would be, but if the base Saiyans are keeping up with (Yakon) or easily killing (Pui Pui) them, they're definitely not on the same level as guys like 100% Freeza or semi-perfect Cell.

The East Kaioshin also ends up in the "sometimes underrated, sometimes overrated" group with those guys. I'm not sure exactly how strong he would actually be. He may actually be pretty damn strong in comparison to most Androids/Cell saga characters, but I seriously doubt he would actually be more powerful than Piccolo. More powerful when it comes to ki/magic techniques maybe, based on how he could paralyze Gohan, but... that's about it. I suspect the East Kaioshin was suppressing his power and Piccolo just assumed his full power was WAAAAAY beyond what he could sense, and plus he overreacted upon sensing the "Kaioshin-ness," even though he wasn't entirely sure exactly what rank the guy had (he asked if he was the Dai Kaio first.) Or maybe he wasn't suppressing at all, and Piccolo thought he was and assumed his true power must be insane as a result.

Gotenks pre-training. There's no reason to think he's stronger than SSj2 Vegeta *ALREADY* just because he got beaten up in a quick joke scene rather than dying or almost dying. When people "seriously" get beaten up in DBZ, they don't end up with those silly giant swollen places all over them like that. The impression I always got was that Buu just got bored after smacking base Gotenks around and let him go, rather than going all out like he did against Vegeta.
Now, Gotenks after training might be strong enough to give Fat Buu a fight without SSj3, though I think he'd still need to at least move up to regular SSj if he didn't want to just get beaten up again.

SSj3 Goku. Yes, he's the second-strongest non-fused, non-Buu character in the series... but that's it, and the whole "power draining too fast" thing makes him limited in the same way as the dance-type fusions. He's not capable of fighting Super Buu, couldn't even finish off Kid Buu without losing the transformation due to power drain, and only most likely could have beaten Fat Buu--we didn't get to see him try, so there's no way of knowing if he'd manage to pull it off before the power-drain caught up to him.

Broly. Of course. His overratedness is mostly the kind you see from the "Broly can beat Buu and SSj3 Goku" fanboy types, but also in the intros of some of the video games (Broly fighting Gogeta? seriously?? even with the SSj3 the game gave him, that's a stretch.)

Vegerot (...I must be about the only one who actually prefers this name to the various "ends in o due to people insisting on a direct transliteration rather than making-more-sense translation/adaptation" versions) is also overrated. Yes, he is by far the strongest character to appear in the manga, and still the strongest in the anime even if you count Movie 12's Gogeta (if only because the fusion dance requires the stronger person to "power down" to the other's level, and Goku is always stronger than Vegeta in the movies), but I seriously doubt he's so ludicrously powerful than nothing could ever in a million years even manage to scratch him even in base form. I suspect that Buu probably could have done pretty well against him if he had stayed in base form to fight rather than immediately going Super Saiyan (not going to count the anime filler scene where he did just that, because the Buu saga's "people fighting in lower forms" filler never really makes a whole lot of sense... it's almost like a preview of the "everyone fights in base form and somehow actually does well" battles seen in GT.)

Krillin. No, not by the fans--they tend to underrate Krillin along with the other humans. But the problem is when people start believing that Yamcha is some sort of Source of Infallible Wisdom and because of that, Krillin must be the strongest of the humans. Most of the fans are bright enough to figure out that Yamcha isn't exactly the most accurate source of information, especially when it's a line that's clearly meant to be reassuring Krillin's daughter that her daddy's going to be okay in his fight, but every once and a while somebody comes along with the "a character who couldn't possible know this for sure stated it in a way that obviously wasn't intended as a clear power comparison... so it MUST be absolute truth!" silliness. Now, maybe Yamcha knows that Tenshinhan's part alien and was intentionally leaving him out of the "strongest humans" thing, but that seems even more unlikely than Krillin actually being stronger. Plus, the whole Tenshinhan being an alien thing probably wasn't thought up until later in order to explain why the guy has an extra eye on his freaking forehead.
It just seems completely out of nowhere to assume, from one throwaway line from one of the less-reliable characters when it comes to overall knowledge, that Krillin has suddenly jumped ahead of Tenshinhan in power, even though Krillin's taken time off to settle down, grow his hair back out, and start a family while Tenshinhan has been doing pretty much nothing but extra training since we last saw him. And Tenshinhan was already stronger (possibly just a little bit stronger, but also possibly much stronger) even before Krillin took some time off, so Krillin would need to catch up with Tenshinhan before he could even think of actually surpassing him.

And on a completely different note... Goku at the very beginning of Dragonball is one of the most bizarre cases of a character being underrated by the "official" power levels. All of the Dragonball levels are a bit screwy; they really feel like they were written years later as an afterthought, a lot like the later Freeza levels (after everyone stopped using scouters in the manga itself.)
But little Goku's is by far the screwiest. A power level of 10? Really? Some random farmer with no fighting skill whatsoever has a power level of 5. Goku only being at 10, even at that age, just can't be right. To me, 10 seems more like the kind of level he would've been at while he was still living with Grandpa Gohan--way more than anyone would expect from a little kid, but nothing that Gohan couldn't handle... unless he saw the full moon and went all big-crazy-monkey. I would put Goku's level at the start of the series closer to 20 or maybe 25. Conveniently, this also lets Hercule be significantly stronger than an average human (maybe around 10 or 12) without bumping into kid Goku's level in the process.

[In Brightest Day]

Krillin. No, not by the fans--they tend to underrate Krillin along with the other humans. But the problem is when people start believing that Yamcha is some sort of Source of Infallible Wisdom and because of that, Krillin must be the strongest of the humans. Most of the fans are bright enough to figure out that Yamcha isn't exactly the most accurate source of information, especially when it's a line that's clearly meant to be reassuring Krillin's daughter that her daddy's going to be okay in his fight, but every once and a while somebody comes along with the "a character who couldn't possible know this for sure stated it in a way that obviously wasn't intended as a clear power comparison... so it MUST be absolute truth!" silliness. Now, maybe Yamcha knows that Tenshinhan's part alien and was intentionally leaving him out of the "strongest humans" thing, but that seems even more unlikely than Krillin actually being stronger. Plus, the whole Tenshinhan being an alien thing probably wasn't thought up until later in order to explain why the guy has an extra eye on his freaking forehead.
It just seems completely out of nowhere to assume, from one throwaway line from one of the less-reliable characters when it comes to overall knowledge, that Krillin has suddenly jumped ahead of Tenshinhan in power, even though Krillin's taken time off to settle down, grow his hair back out, and start a family while Tenshinhan has been doing pretty much nothing but extra training since we last saw him. And Tenshinhan was already stronger (possibly just a little bit stronger, but also possibly much stronger) even before Krillin took some time off, so Krillin would need to catch up with Tenshinhan before he could even think of actually surpassing him.

I'm curious as to how Yamcha is an unreliable source. The context of his conversation with Kuririn's daughter is, but Yamcha himself? Theirs nothing in the series that suggests that at all. In fact, it's basically the complete opposite.

Most Kuririn > Tenshinhan supporters (which I am. I think it's pretty subjective though, so no biggy) tend to think the gap was made once Krillin and Gohan got their boosts from Guru on Namek, and that that kind of sky-rocket him ahead. Now, I don't believe the little guy's power boost pushed up so far ahead of the other two main Earthling Z-Fighters that it was impossible for them to catch back up, but it certainly put Krillin in front for the first time, IMO and by the time the Android arc had come along, the fact that he continued to train kept him there. However, due to Tien's pretty awesome training habits, I believe he was able to make the gap a bit smaller. Yamcha lagged behind a little bit, but he was still in the same realm of power as both guys by my estimation.

I have Tien as the strongest human by a loooong way by the Buu arc, though. Kuririn got a little stronger from his training with Android #18 leading up to the 25th Budokai (not a completely random opinion, IMO, seeing as how #18 could use the Kienzen), but still not enough to come close to Tien's 7 years of continuous training.

[goldsaint13]

He has to be at least on Super Saiyan 2 level though. He goes toe-to-toe with a weakened Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. He doesn't decisively beat him, but he definitely has the upper hand. So all we can really say is that he's in-or-around Super Saiyan 2.

I agree with everyone with Broly, Movie 10 is barely on SSj2 level if you ask me.

Movie 8, complete obliteration. Not even funny. Broly got one-punched at the end for the sake of ending the movie. I put him at full power Perfect Cell.

Movie 10, he's even stronger now, and holds his own against a weakened SSJ 2 Gohan. I put him at Super Perfect Cell here. Yes, Gohan SSJ 2. There's no way a weakened SSJ 1 Gohan could even touch an even stronger Broly, that knocked him out in Movie 8.

I agree too with Broly being equal to Perfect Cell in his fist appearance and to Super Perfect Cell in his second...
There's no way a bunch of SSJ1 (with only two being Full Power) or a *weak* SSJ2 could ever touch him if he would be stronger than that...

I found some of the GT characters overrated in power, they are strong but I doubt most of the minor characters are stronger then Vegito. Haze Shenron was pretty much a joke character, I doubt he is even that strong.

GT is a joke itself... All characters are a joke, starting from Goku that is simply unreal as fighting power... Only a fused character could ever be at GT Goku level...

Freeza. He's not really relevant anymore once the Androids (#17 and #18 at least) show up, no matter how much people might want his "strongest in the universe" boast to have actually been meaningful. Any of the Super Saiyans at that point could have killed him with little effort; Piccolo could most likely pull it off pretty well also. And Tenshinhan with his super rapid-fire Kikoho, too, if Freeza wasn't smart enough to avoid it anyway (and he's Freeza, so... he'd probably try to take it head-on, and then Daddy would need to get him a new set of robot parts all over again.) Krillin could kill Freeza with a Kienzan also, but... that probably would've worked even before Krillin had three extra years of training. And of course, any of the Androids would have an even easier time with Freeza.
At this point the only "main fighter" characters who couldn't kill Freeza with a few quick attacks would be Gohan (mainly because he's not Super Saiyan yet) and Yamcha (just too wimpy, and no super-special moves to balance it out for him.)

That's true, but we must consider that among villains Freezer remains the strongest character naturally born... It has to be kept in mind that Androids, Cell, Majin characters and Majin Buu are all a lot stronger than Freezer, but Androids and Cell are technology-made, Babidi followers are powered up and from other dimensions, Majin Buu is magic-made...

Recoome. For some odd reason a lot of people want to put him above Jeice and Burter, sometimes even significantly above them... despite Krillin sensing that all three were of a similar level of power (in the Kai dub he says that the other two are "at least as strong" as Recoome, implying that they're not just close to Recoome's power, they're equal or greater.) And this was while Recoome was in the middle of a fight, while Jeice and Burter hadn't even started yet, which most likely means Krillin wasn't getting their full power--even though they don't know how to suppress their ki, they can still pump more of it into powerful attacks (like Jeice's Crusher Ball) than they can into generic punches and kicks.

Of course Goku could have obliterated a full health Recoome with equal ease...

The skinny Evil Buu is pretty overrated, I'd say. Everyone seems to have this idea that he's soooo much stronger than the fat Buu, even though the way he "beat" Fat Buu was by that cheap-shot turn-you-into-food attack that would've worked on anyone short of the Goku+Vegeta fusions.

Yes... Goku and Vegeta are not worried by either Fat Buu and Evil Buu, implying that SSJ3 Goku could defeat them both with ease...

Pui Pui and Yakon are sometimes underrated, but more often are overrated. I'm not sure exactly how strong either of them would be, but if the base Saiyans are keeping up with (Yakon) or easily killing (Pui Pui) them, they're definitely not on the same level as guys like 100% Freeza or semi-perfect Cell.

Agree for Pui Pui... But Yakon is definitely stronger to me... The beginning of the fight was only a skirmish... Goku would have had to turn SSJ to finish him easily, beside the light eating factor... I think he is aroud First or Second Form Cell, something like that...

The East Kaioshin also ends up in the "sometimes underrated, sometimes overrated" group with those guys. I'm not sure exactly how strong he would actually be. He may actually be pretty damn strong in comparison to most Androids/Cell saga characters, but I seriously doubt he would actually be more powerful than Piccolo. More powerful when it comes to ki/magic techniques maybe, based on how he could paralyze Gohan, but... that's about it. I suspect the East Kaioshin was suppressing his power and Piccolo just assumed his full power was WAAAAAY beyond what he could sense, and plus he overreacted upon sensing the "Kaioshin-ness," even though he wasn't entirely sure exactly what rank the guy had (he asked if he was the Dai Kaio first.) Or maybe he wasn't suppressing at all, and Piccolo thought he was and assumed his true power must be insane as a result.

A Daizenshuu said Kaiohshin is way stronger than Piccolo... I think he could even almost like a weak SSJ Full Power... If not equal to Gohan, at least to Goten and Trunks...

Gotenks pre-training. There's no reason to think he's stronger than SSj2 Vegeta *ALREADY* just because he got beaten up in a quick joke scene rather than dying or almost dying. When people "seriously" get beaten up in DBZ, they don't end up with those silly giant swollen places all over them like that. The impression I always got was that Buu just got bored after smacking base Gotenks around and let him go, rather than going all out like he did against Vegeta.
Now, Gotenks after training might be strong enough to give Fat Buu a fight without SSj3, though I think he'd still need to at least move up to regular SSj if he didn't want to just get beaten up again.

Yes, he should be at best on par with Majin Vegeta SSJ2 because he is limited to SSJ1 and Daizenshuu said he overcomes Vegeta and Goku only after the RoSaT... Actually, overcoming Vegeta was a small task for him... But to overcome Goku the SSJ3 was absolutely needed...

SSj3 Goku. Yes, he's the second-strongest non-fused, non-Buu character in the series... but that's it, and the whole "power draining too fast" thing makes him limited in the same way as the dance-type fusions. He's not capable of fighting Super Buu, couldn't even finish off Kid Buu without losing the transformation due to power drain, and only most likely could have beaten Fat Buu--we didn't get to see him try, so there's no way of knowing if he'd manage to pull it off before the power-drain caught up to him.

Yes, SSJ3 Goku is incredibly overated... He is way under Gotenks and would die against Super Buu... The only Buu he is above to is Fat Buu and on the top of all this, he can't even rely on his relatively small power (if compared with Gohan and Fusions of both Saiyans and Buus) because he has a very limited time... SSJ3 is not the best way to get that kind power, as old Kaiohshin said... The Strongest Warrior ritual is way better...

Broly. Of course. His overratedness is mostly the kind you see from the "Broly can beat Buu and SSj3 Goku" fanboy types, but also in the intros of some of the video games (Broly fighting Gogeta? seriously?? even with the SSj3 the game gave him, that's a stretch.)

Broly is the KING of overating... Not much more to add...

Vegerot (...I must be about the only one who actually prefers this name to the various "ends in o due to people insisting on a direct transliteration rather than making-more-sense translation/adaptation" versions) is also overrated. Yes, he is by far the strongest character to appear in the manga, and still the strongest in the anime even if you count Movie 12's Gogeta (if only because the fusion dance requires the stronger person to "power down" to the other's level, and Goku is always stronger than Vegeta in the movies), but I seriously doubt he's so ludicrously powerful than nothing could ever in a million years even manage to scratch him even in base form. I suspect that Buu probably could have done pretty well against him if he had stayed in base form to fight rather than immediately going Super Saiyan (not going to count the anime filler scene where he did just that, because the Buu saga's "people fighting in lower forms" filler never really makes a whole lot of sense... it's almost like a preview of the "everyone fights in base form and somehow actually does well" battles seen in GT.)

I can't agree on this so easily... It's not easy to overate Vegetto because he is actually an absolute monster...
His base form may actually have an hard time against Super Buuhan, but consider the power of that Buu... Super Buu, already way stronger than SSJ3 Goku + Ultimate Gohan, stronger than Super Buu himself...
If Vegetto could even survive in base form against him, it means that his power x50 is something hard to even imagine...
Leaving behind the absurdity of GT Goku, let's imagine Goku of Buu's saga or even End of Z to turn SSJ4... He would be SSJ3 x10...
He would *POSSIBLY* overcome base Vegetto, but would be still pwned by SSJ Vegetto... Just to specify... Base Vegetto >>> SSJ3 Goku... So, Base Vegetto x50 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku x10...

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'm curious as to how Yamcha is an unreliable source. The context of his conversation with Kuririn's daughter is, but Yamcha himself? Theirs nothing in the series that suggests that at all. In fact, it's basically the complete opposite.

I think it's that no-one knows where Tenshinhan is or what he's been doing. So Yamcha thinks that Kuririn's the strongest among Earthlings, and that could've been the case when they were last all together and active, but since then, Kuririn had settled down with a family and had been confirmed by Gohan to have stopped training, while Tenshinhan has still been training.

[Rocketman]

I think people massively overrate Tien's MOUNTAIN TRAINING.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I think people massively overrate Tenshinhan's MOUNTAIN TRAINING.

Yes, a certain amount of people.

[Kirby456]

I think people massively overrate Tenshinhan's MOUNTAIN TRAINING.

I agree completely. Theres one website that places Buu Saga Tien 4 times stronger then Perfect Cell. One guy even said he surpassed End of Z Piccolo.....

About the Kid Buu Vs Super Buu thing i always got the feeling Super Buu > Kid Buu in both the anime and the manga. But whatever.

Another character who i feel is overrated as hell is Final Form Cooler... Theres some people who believe hes Semi Perfect cell tier..

[CatouttaHell]

Another character who i feel is overrated as hell is Final Form Cooler... Theres some people who believe hes Semi Perfect cell tier..

I have Coola above SSjin 2 Gotenks but that's because I don't believe any Base Saiya-jin surpassed 100% Freeza. In Movie 5 however Coola states Base Goku is enough to beat 100% Freeza, so as ridiculous as it is, that's what's implied.