Dragon Box vs Original Broadcast - The Audio

[kei17]

I'd gift wrap my left nut and personally send it to you for the DBZ episodes you have

I definitely don't want that. I'm also getting all the DBZ episodes with digital PCM audio on Hi8 tapes early next year, which must be the best sources left on earth. I'm seeking a way to make it available on official releases, so wait for good news.

[MarcFBR]

I'd gift wrap my left nut and personally send it to you for the DBZ episodes you have

I definitely don't want that. I'm also getting all the DBZ episodes with digital PCM audio on Hi8 tapes early next year, which must be the best sources left on earth. I'm seeking a way to make it available on official releases, so wait for good news.

32Khz and 8bit audio as I recall.

Gonna have to deal with those very gingerly, as I recall Hi8 tapes starts going to their death after a tape has sat around 15ish years, even with good storage.

[kei17]

32Khz and 8bit audio as I recall.

Gonna have to deal with those very gingerly, as I recall Hi8 tapes starts going to their death after a tape has sat around 15ish years, even with good storage.

Yeah, I'm not sure they're still entirely playable considering they're delicate 8mm tapes, but the owner is a video nerd and his tapes must have been stored well. As for the bit depth, it's actually closer to 10bit.

[LordCrumb]

I'd gift wrap my left nut and personally send it to you for the DBZ episodes you have

I definitely don't want that. I'm also getting all the DBZ episodes with digital PCM audio on Hi8 tapes early next year, which must be the best sources left on earth. I'm seeking a way to make it available on official releases, so wait for good news.

Damn! I definitely don't want to part with my Right one I guess negotiations are off the table?

I read through the earlier pages and saw you tried to contact Toei? did you try Funimation at all?

[Kakacarrottop]

I'd gift wrap my left nut and personally send it to you for the DBZ episodes you have

I definitely don't want that. I'm also getting all the DBZ episodes with digital PCM audio on Hi8 tapes early next year, which must be the best sources left on earth. I'm seeking a way to make it available on official releases, so wait for good news.

Damn! I definitely don't want to part with my Right one I guess negotiations are off the table?

I read through the earlier pages and saw you tried to contact Toei? did you try Funimation at all?

Pretty sure they're too busy trying to figure out new ways to rip off fans.

[MarcFBR]

As for the bit depth, it's actually closer to 10bit.

I double checked... it's definitely 8bit.

[kei17]

As for the bit depth, it's actually closer to 10bit.

I double checked... it's definitely 8bit.

It's recorded in 8bit, but in quiet parts, the gain is boosted beforehand. As a result, there's much less hiss noise compared to usual 8bit PCM audio. It was billed as "equivalent of 10bit," which is why I said it's closer to 10bit.

Edit: I've uploaded a sample of PCM audio on Hi8. I used an over-a-decade-old ME tape.

http://yahoo.jp/box/1KUxM0

[MarcFBR]

As for the bit depth, it's actually closer to 10bit.

I double checked... it's definitely 8bit.

It's recorded in 8bit, but in quiet parts, the gain is boosted beforehand. As a result, there's much less hiss noise compared to usual 8bit PCM audio. It was billed as "equivalent of 10bit," which is why I said it's closer to 10bit.

Ehh... I get your meaning... but 8bit with boosted gain is just 8bit with the gain changed, not 10bit.

[Javaki]

I double checked... it's definitely 8bit.

It's recorded in 8bit, but in quiet parts, the gain is boosted beforehand. As a result, there's much less hiss noise compared to usual 8bit PCM audio. It was billed as "equivalent of 10bit," which is why I said it's closer to 10bit.

Ehh... I get your meaning... but 8bit with boosted gain is just 8bit with the gain changed, not 10bit.

I guess he means that the compressed 8bit PCM audio on Hi8 sounds roughly the same as uncompressed 10bit PCM audio.

[eledoremassis02]

Thats impressive! I hope the next Bluray release can use this kind of audio because it's weird watching really high quality video and low quality audio

[LordCrumb]

One of the very main reasons I dont watch Z in Japanese is because of the terrible audio quality. It just distracts me too much. I've always been more of an Audiophile than a Videophile.

[kei17]

Ehh... I get your meaning... but 8bit with boosted gain is just 8bit with the gain changed, not 10bit.

"Recorded in 8bit, equivalent of 10bit" was what Sony officially said. https://web.archive.org/web/20030617103 ... 800231.pdf (The processes turned out to be different than what I said.)

And I do find it actually better than what you get by normal downconversion. Anyway, I think that low quality PCM audio is more appropriate than unstable analog audio for official archiving considering reproducibility.

One of the very main reasons I dont watch Z in Japanese is because of the terrible audio quality. It just distracts me too much. I've always been more of an Audiophile than a Videophile.

The same goes for me. I always find old TV shows hard to enjoy because of muffled audio.

[MarcFBR]

Ehh... I get your meaning... but 8bit with boosted gain is just 8bit with the gain changed, not 10bit.

"Recorded in 8bit, equivalent of 10bit" was what Sony officially said. https://web.archive.org/web/20030617103 ... 800231.pdf (The processes turned out to be different than what I said.)

Yeah, but that's still believing random Sony statements of quality... which has never quite been 'true.'

8bit audio is 8bit audio. It could be mastered better, etc, but it's still 8bit. It's not going to be the 'equivalent' of 10bit. No doubt they found some way to fake it for the tests, but it's still 8bit.

It's like the contrast numbers on modern TVs. They can claim what they want, but it's bullshit.

The tapes are 8bit.

[kei17]

Now I've got all the said 8mm videotapes. Sadly, some tapes are seriously damaged and almost unplayable.

I tried syncing it with the DBox footage and the outcome is awesome! I uploaded a sample: https://box.yahoo.co.jp/guest/viewer?si ... ype=detail

[Ajay]

Now I've got all the said 8mm videotapes. Sadly, some tapes are seriously damaged and almost unplayable.

That's a shame but at least you still have the older audio despite the high pass filter applied.

Thanks for uploading this preview. It sounds absolutely fantastic!

This is from Fuji TV, right?

[ShinGaijin]

Thank you very much for sharing.The sound quality is just a-ma-zing.Also, you've chosen a very special episode, so...

[shinmaru]

DragonBall Kai Uncut

[eledoremassis02]

Comparing it to FUNi's clean up, I'm surprised how well FUNi's sounded in comparison. Original Broadcast still wins though

Thank you for sharing Kei!

[AnimeMaakuo]

After exchanging emails with Christopher Sabat, I've finally gotten to meet him at Clear Creek High School after the panel and he agrees to meet me tomorrow! I'm planning on taking him out to lunch so that we can discuss plans for the original broadcast audio. He seemed very excited when I gave him some samples on a flash drive. If there's enough time, I'm hoping we can go to my house and listen to them with my stereo equipment. My goal is to convince him with enthusiastic eyes

It's very possible we may see a future DBZ release sometime in the near future.

[FortuneSSJ]

After exchanging emails with Christopher Sabat, I've finally gotten to meet him at Clear Creek High School after the panel and he agrees to meet me tomorrow! I'm planning on taking him out to lunch so that we can discuss plans for the original broadcast audio. He seemed very excited when I gave him some samples on a flash drive. If there's enough time, I'm hoping we can go to my house and listen to them with my stereo equipment. My goal is to convince him with enthusiastic eyes

It's very possible we may see a future DBZ release sometime in the near future.

Good luck! xD