Muten-Roshi weaker than Son Gohan?

[dbgtFO]

Wow.
Always felt it was obvious he was taken by surprise, but whatever.

To get back on topic.
Seeing as Gohan gave powered up Goku more of a fight than Old man Roshi did to a Goku with a fraction of that power, it felt pretty obvious that Gohan was stronger than Roshi(maybe not his full power form, but definetely his normal form).

If there's an inherent problem with that(I don't recall Roshi saying he was stronger than Gohan), it could easily be because of one of the following:
Gohan trained in the afterlife, making him stronger than Roshi.

It could also be that he already was stronger prior to dying, because he had kept training himself, while Roshi was slacking off as an old man. So Roshi's thoughts on Gohan(if it turns out he indeed said Gohan < him) would be based on the strength Gohan had ages ago, not the strength he had right before dying.

Of course Roshi then trains for those 3 years and surpasses whatever strength Gohan had anyway.

[Piccolo Daimao]

What the hell, a dog has a body? And is this a jellyfish in the background?! This makes things even more confusing...

Maybe they did something to deserve it. Or they lived and died in the afterlife so their bodies were already with them--kind of like Elder Kaioshin dying and then just getting right back up. That's also how I figured Goku, Kaio, and Bubbles had their bodies after Cell exploded, although having Kaio there to fix them up may have helped as well.

I don't think it's about living and dying in the afterlife, since Enma would realize that someone's dead with a body that they shouldn't have and just remove it from them. Old Kaioshin retained his body because...well, he's a god. Gods are practically automatically assured their body because of their purity and the nature of their job.

Goku kept his body because he's a hero who saved his planet from destruction. Kaio's a god. Bubbles is...Kaio's monkey, so maybe they gave him special treatment for that. Or perhaps Bubbles is a holy monkey or something like that. *shrug*

I guess there must be something special about Bubbles for him to be Kaio's pet in the afterlife, and originally, he's not even dead. Maybe he was originally Kaio's assistant (like God has Mr. Popo and Kaioshin has Kibito), an Oni or someone else who had a job in the afterlife, or some strong martial artist guy who was born in or was in the afterlife for whatever reason, but a mishap (maybe magical experimentation or some guy swapped bodies with him and never gave him his body back/or got killed) caused him to be trapped in the body of a monkey.

That would make for a great fanfic.

[Senzu_Bean]

About Bubbles:

A gentle, mysterious monkey who the single Kaio keeps as a pet in the Heavenly Realm. He's not a dead monkey, but rather one who lives in the afterlife. He is ridiculously fast due to living under the powerful gravity of Planet Kaio, which is 10 times that of Earth. When Cell self-destructed with Goku, he was unfortunately brought down with them, becoming an actual dead monkey.

[Attitudefan]

Wow.
Always felt it was obvious he was taken by surprise, but whatever.

To get back on topic.
Seeing as Gohan gave powered up Goku more of a fight than Old man Roshi did to a Goku with a fraction of that power, it felt pretty obvious that Gohan was stronger than Roshi(maybe not his full power form, but definetely his normal form).

If there's an inherent problem with that(I don't recall Roshi saying he was stronger than Gohan), it could easily be because of one of the following:
Gohan trained in the afterlife, making him stronger than Roshi.

It could also be that he already was stronger prior to dying, because he had kept training himself, while Roshi was slacking off as an old man. So Roshi's thoughts on Gohan(if it turns out he indeed said Gohan < him) would be based on the strength Gohan had ages ago, not the strength he had right before dying.

Of course Roshi then trains for those 3 years and surpasses whatever strength Gohan had anyway.

Not to mention that Gohan probably was fighting of a giant Oozaru once and maybe prepared for more attacks like that? Or maybe he realized he need to get stronger after being destroyed by his grandson?

[goku the krump dancer]

Guess I'm the only one that feels that Gohan was winning because he managed to grab Goku's tail.

[dbgtFO]

Guess I'm the only one that feels that Gohan was winning because he managed to grab Goku's tail.

He was obviously only winning because of grabbing Goku's tail, but he had already given Goku quite the fight before that part, which was my point.

[Attitudefan]

And that Kamehameha he delivered was much bigger than Roshi's!