All we know is that they were pretty close in power, everything else comes down to speculation on how Dragon Ball works I guess.Bussani wrote:Vegeta later blasts a massive chunk of Cell's body to dust despite being much weaker than him. People generally seem to believe that Vegeta is an incredibly endurable guy, but it could also be that ki attacks got better and better as the story progressed.Nex Carnifex wrote:I'm just wondering if characters of near equal strength can so easily kill each other with weak attacks how did Vegeta survive so long even after taking a full power Kamehameha head on from a Goku that was matching his strength if not surpassing it slightly at that point.
Exactly. That's why you don't let your guard down while fighting. Ki blasts would be completely pointless if they didn't do anything. Punching and kicking probably would be, too.And in a normal fight both characters would be landing a couple of casual attacks at least, if they can so easily harm each other with energy then all they need is to take advantage of one little moment.
Anyway, I don't really agree with the "aura = ki shield" way of thinking, and we probably aren't ever going to agree on anything else, either. Shall we just agree to disagree?
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Yeah, I'll agree with that much. So many general opinions rely on many tiny interpretations of the series and its little mechanics, so it's no surprise that people disagree so much.
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As for the Aura=Ki shield thing, I always thought they used that to "tank" shots from opponents, while keeping their clothes in tact.
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To be honest, I'm not opposed to the idea that an aura offers some protection. However, an aura doesn't necessarily have to be visible to be present, and I'm not sure its visibility has much, if any bearing on how much protection it offers. Toriyama himself said that, really, ki should be invisible, but he made it visible in certain attacks like the Kamehameha because (if I remember right) his wife said it would be more entertaining that way.
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It obviously offers protection. Goku concentrated his ki on his finger, and couldn't take a scratch from Trunks' sword, the same sword that sliced Freeza. Also, if the aura didn't offer protection, we would always see nude battles.Bussani wrote:To be honest, I'm not opposed to the idea that an aura offers some protection.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Who says it's the aura that does it and not just having boatloads of ki?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It obviously offers protection. Goku concentrated his ki on his finger, and couldn't take a scratch from Trunks' sword, the same sword that sliced Freeza. Also, if the aura didn't offer protection, we would always see nude battles.Bussani wrote:To be honest, I'm not opposed to the idea that an aura offers some protection.
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The aura is made of ki, and the aura surrounds the person's body.Saiga wrote:Who says it's the aura that does it and not just having boatloads of ki?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm with Saiga on this one. I figured concentrating ki into one place just strengthened that place. I mean, a person with a high battle power is more resilient than a person with a low battle power, even if their aura isn't visible, right?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It obviously offers protection. Goku concentrated his ki on his finger, and couldn't take a scratch from Trunks' sword
If I remember right, Toriyama was actually asked that question once, and he never said anything about auras. But it's a decent enough in-universe explanation. If you think about it, though, characters' clothes don't get destroyed even when they have no visible aura, so like I said before, I'm not sure its visibility makes much of a difference.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Also, if the aura didn't offer protection, we would always see nude battles.
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Yeah, when I was referring to the aura, I wasn't only talking about the visible aura.Bussani wrote:characters' clothes don't get destroyed even when they have no visible aura, so like I said before, I'm not sure its visibility makes much of a difference.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.