Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

[samuraix123]

I don't mind at all to double dip but I do agree with Metalwario64

[eledoremassis02]

On http://www.previewsworld.com/support/pr ... 13_COF.txt It says PUBLICATIONS MAR13, I'm assuming that march 2013... isn't that when the VA's can start talking about an ocean dub (kai or what ever this is)? I don't see how they can do this and Kai..unless this is not a total redub (although if it's uncut then there would be a lot of redubs). And if they get Ian Corlett to do goku in the uncut dub..I wonder why he wouldn't do Kai? Unless were being thrown a curve ball?

[Metalwario64]

would this have slightly better quality?

I expect the difference to be nearly exactly the same as the difference between the old Pioneer release of the first 3 films, and the "First Strike" FUNimation release from 2005, though with barely any macroblocking.

That is to say, for the first 2 (edited) episodes or so, it will be a noticeable improvement, but after that, it will still be sharper and more defined, as well as much less macroblocked (more so these days), but their old digibeta footage after episode 4 had their typical, somewhat dark and fuzzy Z single look, whereas their first few episodes looked very sharp and defined, so it's not as big of an improvement.

The same case was with the films; the Pioneer films all look about the same, but the Ultimate Uncut versions had movie 1 looking extremely sharp and defined liked the first 4 episodes, but movies 2 and 3, despite being an improvement, look like their typical singles.

Here are some comparisons to show what I mean:

Ultimate Uncut (episode 4):


Edited Single:


Here you can notice lots of cross coloration and dot crawl that doesn't exist in the original footage. Considering the films were the same way, I wouldn't attribute it to the editing that was done to the footage. Also, lots of the outlines just look fuzzy and blurred now.

Ultimate Uncut (episode 5):


Edited Single:


Though the footage takes a step down from this point, you can still see a noticeable difference. Look at the right side of Raditz' eyebrows: the edited DVD loses lots of detail and information there! There is also lots more cross-coloration/rainbowing on the edited release.

[Attitudefan]

Maybe they can talk when it is finally released... which again, corroborates with what I was told (which honest to god, wasn't that much... like a 2 minute: hello, what's up. DBZ? cool!). I'll ask exactly when and bring up the release coming up.

Now, if it is the old Saiyan saga then I'm cool with that. Like I said though; if this is a FUNi release, maybe they're branding this as a DBZ product so it would not get confused with Kai, but this is OCEAN Kai! I think this is a probable solution than two products being labelled as Kai. People, who may not be firmiliar with Ocean, but remember Toonami will pick this up and will, instead, receive Kai with Ocean... then again, maybe that is far-fetched. But FUNi would not want to jeapordize their version of Kai, so maybe it does. Huh....

EDIT:

Looks like the edited singles had a little bit of white-balancing going on whereas the UUE's have left it as is.

[samuraix123]

Thanks for the photo's Metalwario64!

[eledoremassis02]

All I know is that if it's a repackage I hope it had NEP and title cards, like the UK one. And I can sure bet it'll be better image quality. If thats the case, I'll gladly sell my singles

If it's a total uncut "redub" them I'll hold on to the singles.

Maybe there doing this so there is no excuse to download Ocean DBZ with Dbox footage

[samuraix123]

I don't know if I'd sell my original DVD's but I will definitely pick this up.

[Kendamu]

Maybe they can talk when it is finally released... which again, corroborates with what I was told (which honest to god, wasn't that much... like a 2 minute: hello, what's up. DBZ? cool!). I'll ask exactly when and bring up the release coming up.

Now, if it is the old Saiyan saga then I'm cool with that. Like I said though; if this is a FUNi release, maybe they're branding this as a DBZ product so it would not get confused with Kai, but this is OCEAN Kai! I think this is a probable solution than two products being labelled as Kai. People, who may not be firmiliar with Ocean, but remember Toonami will pick this up and will, instead, receive Kai with Ocean... then again, maybe that is far-fetched. But FUNi would not want to jeapordize their version of Kai, so maybe it does. Huh....

EDIT:

Looks like the edited singles had a little bit of white-balancing going on whereas the UUE's have left it as is.

I kinda doubt that this is Ocean Kai. I feel like it wouldn't be branded so heavily with the "original broadcast" and "Rock the Dragon" stuff if that were the case. Speaking of, the box art is what makes this thing suspicious to me. FUNimation almost never puts that much into their box art. As I said before, usually it's one character or two characters fighting over a basic pattern or design of some sort.

[Attitudefan]

I think either the box art is fake, the DVD as a whole is fake, or it is real.

What I think is possible is that this is coming out in March/July or whatever, and the boxart is probably a fake, filling in for a real boxart release. But maybe I'm pulling straws here.

[eledoremassis02]

At this point, if anything ocean related comes out...I'll be really happy!

Imagine if they redubbed all of Z and used it/edited it for kai?? I dunno

[NitroEX]

I'm not totally convinced Ocean kai is orchestrated by Funimation considering they are using different pronunciations for Namek and probably other things. Why would Funimation purposely allow them to deviate from the pronunciations that they themselves established?

[eledoremassis02]

Good question...and good point. I forgot about that one lol

[Attitudefan]

As have I. I think it goes more like this:

Ocean does the editing for a tightly scheduled dub produced/dubbed by FUNi so they can get it out on TV ASAP. So then, FUNi will aid Ocean's dub for distribution rights for helping edit/translate their dub. So it's a win/win for FUNi. They get royalty rights, prestige for releasing a dubbed missed by many fans, and had their dub produced as quick as possible, where they could focus on their actors over the TV production editing et al.

[Kuwabara]

Funny how this pops up mere days after I mentioned the idea of a complete re-dub of the series. I didn't have the Ocean cast in mind, but they're a capable cast in their own right. The original Ocean dub just suffered from bad direction, and obviously the editing as well.

Ultimately I doubt the legitimacy of this thing, but is the idea itself honestly all that farfetched? Whether it's a re-dub with the original cast or a re-release of the old material with remastered footage or this mystical Ocean Kai dub packaged as Z or whatever, any and all of these variants of the same concept are par for the course for FUNimation. We're talking about the company that loves to compete with it's own products.

"Let's release the Ultimate Uncut Edition, now let's release the Season Sets, now let's do the Dragon Boxes, now let's do Kai, now let's do Blu-rays for Z etc." They're fucking morons that don't make any goddamn sense!

[Gokuden]

I would so buy it all, believe me! OCEAN dub is my fav for voice acting. OH CANADA WE STAND ON GUARD FOR THEEE!

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I know I already posted this, but I just wanna put this out there again.

Everything on the box seems fine, I think it's the description that's the problem here. From what I can see the box lists 1-26 episodes, while the description says 29 episodes. To add to this, I reckon the 'redub' part is also a mistake of the person writing the description. Again, remember when listings had Dragon Ball Season 1 down as being in widescreen? And when Dragon Ball GT Season 1 was listed as having 3 discs?

By the way, from what I've read Katsu-con (or however you spell it) was this weekend. Perhaps this was announced there.

EDIT: Also, actually calling it the Ocean dub seems kinda eerrr, weird to me. I mean yeah, they did the voice acting, but is it technically right to call it the "Ocean dub" since it was all under Funimation anyway? I was always under the impression that referring to the first two seasons as "the Ocean dub" was just a fan thing. The again, I guess Funimation is quite close to their fan base and they know them very well so I probably shouldn't be surprised to seem them describe it like this.

[Gokuden]

The problem is, we don't have a funimation insider to confirm whether this is true or not. It says original broadcast, so I figure there can't be much editing done.

[eledoremassis02]

I know I already posted this, but I just wanna put this out there again.

Everything on the box seems fine, I think it's the description that's the problem here. From what I can see the box lists 1-26 episodes, while the description says 29 episodes. To add to this, I reckon the 'redub' part is also a mistake of the person writing the description. Again, remember when listings had Dragon Ball Season 1 down as being in widescreen? And when Dragon Ball GT Season 1 was listed as having 3 discs?

By the way, from what I've read Katsu-con (or however you spell it) was this weekend. Perhaps this was announced there.

Nope I have a friend who went to the FUNi panel at katsucon and there was no word.

[samuraix123]

I really hope this doesn't end up being a phony. I have to admit, I am very excited! Maybe sometime down the line we may get a re-release of the Ocean movies.

[Attitudefan]

With the hue fanbase wars. Youtube etc. I thikn it would be a silly idea not to call them the Ocean dub/group. It's recognizable by everyone.

EDIT: I think Kanzenshuu has something to do with it.