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Re: Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that
I'll come to that conclusion (whether or not I'll like it) until I've seen the movie proper.
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As opposed to his usually being unable to fight due to an injury or illness? That's a change from the norm right there.TheGmGoken wrote:Goku get's taken out of action and sits on the sideline. This time he literally sat on the sideline.
Super Saiyan God turned out to be useless. Gokuu still had to admit a genuine defeat. He even stops using the Super Saiyan God form mid-battle because he doesn't like relying on others' power to be strong. Son Gokuu didn't just walk into a freebie win, he got his ass handed to him twice and cast aside his new power up.Then everyone loses and Goku comes back and either Got a power boast or will Get a power boast. Him keeping the power of SSG was not needed. He could have lost and work for the power like Piccolo and Vegeta did. Hell even Gohan(Before Elder Kai's power) worked for his power. It's like Goku got the worst case of Main Character Disease.
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He stops using it because it wears off (which he doesn't even realize) and briefly fights in base before transforming into a normal Super Saiyan (which he doesn't realize either). It was by no means a conscious choice on his part.JulieYBM wrote:He even stops using the Super Saiyan God form mid-battle because he doesn't like relying on others' power to be strong.
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Derp. My memory mixed that scene with another.
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Don't know as I haven't seen it.
Besides, I personally feel the series went downhill post Freeza anyway...
I'll always enjoy GT, as I've mentioned I like it the same as post Freeza Dragonball (although the Artifical Human/Cell-Boo arcs are better written).
Besides, I personally feel the series went downhill post Freeza anyway...
The FUNi dub of GT actually isn't half bad, I'd say it's better than their Z dub. Especially if you can watch it with the Japanese score.I tried viewing it as if it were it's own series but even then I have problems with it. In fact I would really love it if I could find the Japanese episodes because I remember those being decent. I'm stuck with the funimation dub.
I'll always enjoy GT, as I've mentioned I like it the same as post Freeza Dragonball (although the Artifical Human/Cell-Boo arcs are better written).
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It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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Bojack was sealed up, only to be released once North Kaio's planet was destroyed. So why mention a criminal if he was already locked up.
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DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Ooh, quotes please.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: It was hinted that he did, both by the movie & Chozenshuu 1.
Dragon Ball: Chozenshuu #1 wrote:At the top of the left-hand page is (as mentioned before) what seems to be a recap of Toriyama's explanation of how the Kaios and Kaioshins are chosen, originally given in SEG: Character Volume. I love how they're still using the random clip art images for the tree and apple. I guess Toriyama couldn't be bothered to draw up something cool. Come to think of it, if they're still using that generic tree image to illustrate the Kai-Ju/World Tree, then that may mean the tree we've been seeing in the BoG trailers and elsewhere isn't the World Tree after all. In the middle is the thing on Bilus and Whis that I've already covered. Intriguingly, below that is the scene from the manga where (unless I'm greatly mistaken) Goku says the Saiyans were destroyed because they killed innocent people, while Freeza remarks that they were destroyed by him, since he didn't like them. More hints that Freeza is related to Bilus, or just them illustrating that Bilus isn't the only guy who destroys planets?
Beers knows Freeza, and talks like he either told Freeza to destroy the planet, or he just met Freeza, and Freeza told him that he will destroy the planet. But if the latter was the case, why was Freeza mentioned in the Chozenshuu section about Beers?Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods wrote:As he eats breakfast, Beerus asks Whis if Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta while he was asleep. Whis confirms that he has, and not a trace of the planet remains. Beerus is glad to hear this, as he did not care much for the people on that planet, particularly King Vegeta. He could have destroyed the planet himself, but it was so far away, and he did not want to bother. On the other hand, Beerus does not like Freeza that much either, since he is evil and so very full of himself, and decides on destroying him next.
I would say that Beers told Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta if he wanted to, and Freeza did.
I don't think it would be a good idea. Remember GT? Remember Super Saiyan 4?Chuquita wrote:-Ssjg Goku should've gotten a costume to go with his power-up (but then I guess if he did, I wouldn't have decided to go design one for the power-up after all, and I like the costume design I came up with for him a lot so that one kinda works out.)
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Vegeta is not pure-hearted.
Pure of heart is someone who can fly on Kinto-Un. Early-series Bulma couldn't. Is BOG Vegeta actually more pure-hearted than Bulma? He's not. In the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai, Vegeta sent some guy flying just for saying something about his age. That's not pure of heart.
Vegeta is a "good guy" at best. In a sense that he doesn't hold a threat to Earth/universe/people's lives. Even so, I don't see him feeling guilty if he killed some douchebag who was mocking him.
With that out of the way, what was Shenlong's wording exactly? Was it "pure-hearted" Saiyans or just "good" Saiyans? Because if it's the latter, it doesn't even have to actually do with a Saiyan's state of mind, but rather that to form SSG, there's a requirement of 5 other Saiyans who are willing to help.
Pure of heart is someone who can fly on Kinto-Un. Early-series Bulma couldn't. Is BOG Vegeta actually more pure-hearted than Bulma? He's not. In the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai, Vegeta sent some guy flying just for saying something about his age. That's not pure of heart.
Vegeta is a "good guy" at best. In a sense that he doesn't hold a threat to Earth/universe/people's lives. Even so, I don't see him feeling guilty if he killed some douchebag who was mocking him.
With that out of the way, what was Shenlong's wording exactly? Was it "pure-hearted" Saiyans or just "good" Saiyans? Because if it's the latter, it doesn't even have to actually do with a Saiyan's state of mind, but rather that to form SSG, there's a requirement of 5 other Saiyans who are willing to help.
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Shenlong explains that Super Saiyan God was a savior accidentally created by righteous Saiyans long ago, in order to oppose the evil Saiyans, whose power and numbers were overwhelmingly superior. With his tremendous power, this savior quickly wiped out most of the evil Saiyans, but his power ran out right before he could finish the job. And so Planet Vegeta once again became a planet of evil Saiyans, and the savior was erased in legend. Shenlong further explains that when five righteous Saiyans infuse their light into another righteous Saiyan, then the Super Saiyan God will be born.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Pure of Heart is a screwy subject in DBZ so you cannot rule it out. The legend also says righteous which just means good in general as far as I'm concerned.
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No, I personally didn't care for it, and was even disappointed. I live in Japan and speak fluent Japanese. I understood everything everyone said in the film. I lurk on the boards for action figure news, and to keep up on what is going on in the DBZ world. I even wen't to the special showing in Fukuoka, which had a marathon that streamed 5 of the original film prints after the premier.
It was a big let down. I have a lot of gripes, mainly about the quality of animation, and the extreme focus on gags and fan service. Vegeta gets embarrassed the whole movie and SSJ God is the biggest betrayal of everything I thought DBZ stood for that I would have screamed (or something) had I not realized this was actually something Toriyama designed.
Especially seeing the original films after the premier, which objectively look better unless you are really into the new age anime, laminated look and kawaii character design. The matte finish of the cels make everything smoother, if less detailed. But it just feels better. The fight coregraphy is also much better than Kami to Kami.
Just IMO.
It was a big let down. I have a lot of gripes, mainly about the quality of animation, and the extreme focus on gags and fan service. Vegeta gets embarrassed the whole movie and SSJ God is the biggest betrayal of everything I thought DBZ stood for that I would have screamed (or something) had I not realized this was actually something Toriyama designed.
Especially seeing the original films after the premier, which objectively look better unless you are really into the new age anime, laminated look and kawaii character design. The matte finish of the cels make everything smoother, if less detailed. But it just feels better. The fight coregraphy is also much better than Kami to Kami.
Just IMO.
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Care to elaborate on this? I though that Vegeta had a pretty good showing throughout the movie, and how was SSJG a betrayal? I mean, I don't really like how it worked, but is it really that much worse than Gohan getting a powerup from sitting down while an old guy read comic books in front of him for a few hours?Vision wrote:.
Vegeta gets embarrassed the whole movie and SSJ God is the biggest betrayal of everything I thought DBZ stood for that I would have screamed (or something) had I not realized this was actually something Toriyama designed.
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Yeah, I don't think you know what Dragon Ball stands for if you think SSJ God somehow ruins what it stands for... What does it defy, honestly? SSJ God is just the Kami of Planet Vegeta so I fail to see a problem here. What did they do to Vegeta that was such a disgrace? He got a power up and was practically the star of the show until Goku fought Beers so what's up?
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Akira Toriyama wrote:[Super Saiyan] God’s appearing was set from the very start of production. There’s a line in the movie, too, but even I thought, “‘God’ is an exaggeration…”.
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Your point is...?hleV wrote:Akira Toriyama wrote:[Super Saiyan] God’s appearing was set from the very start of production. There’s a line in the movie, too, but even I thought, “‘God’ is an exaggeration…”.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Your point? Toriyama also thought 50x was an exaggeration for SSJ yet he accepted it. There is also nothing wrong with SSJ God itself since it's just the Kami of planet Vegeta. You have a problem with this you have a problem with Kami.
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And as for the whole "Super Saiyan God & Hakaishin wasn't his idea, therefore non-canon!", that means that the Kamehameha & Fusion are non-canon as well.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Bardock wasn't his idea either yet he is in the manga. *gasp*
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And not to mention that the manga started as a parody of Journey to the West.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Bardock wasn't his idea either yet he is in the manga. *gasp*
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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SSG wasn't the Kami of Vegeta. If I'm correct Kami is a guidance or God of Earth. SSG was good people trying to kill the evil.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Your point? Toriyama also thought 50x was an exaggeration for SSJ yet he accepted it. There is also nothing wrong with SSJ God itself since it's just the Kami of planet Vegeta. You have a problem with this you have a problem with Kami.