How strong is Base Vegetto?

[KentalSSJ6]

Vegetto was at full power

He outright says that he is not.

Another reason I find the whole Bills > SSJ3 Vegito concept to be utterly ridiculous.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Your point?

My point is Rou Kaioshin said Goku wouldn't have to transform into a SSJ. He was right because Gokhan has Ultimate.

[rereboy]

Your point?

My point is Rou Kaioshin said Goku wouldn't have to transform into a SSJ. He was right because Gokhan has Ultimate.

I think he added that he could transform afterwards if needed, but maybe he wouldn't need it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Your point?

My point is Rou Kaioshin said Goku wouldn't have to transform into a SSJ. He was right because Gokhan has Ultimate.

But the way Rou Kaioshin talked, it sounds more like "you can beat Boo without Super Saiyan because the of the Potara" rather than "you can beat Boo without Super Saiyan because of Gohan's pmwdp-up", and he talks like the base is inferior to Super Saiyan. So, it sounds more like he is talking about regular base Gokhan and not Ultimate Gokhan.

[Kakashi]

Vegetto was at full power

He outright says that he is not.

When?

[Rocketman]

Vegetto was at full power

He outright says that he is not.

When?

"I thought you'd be tougher. C'mon, make me use my full power." Viz Vol 26, page 40, same page as when he uses his legs alone.

[hleV]

I think that's an addition from Viz, I can't find it on Strength Checker.

[Kakashi]

Vegetto was at full power

He outright says that he is not.

When?

"I thought you'd be tougher. C'mon, make me use my full power." Viz Vol 26, page 40, same page as when he uses his legs alone.[/quote]
He never said it

[Rocketman]

Then what is in the panel?

[Kamiccolo9]

"I thought you'd be tougher. C'mon, make me use my full power." Viz Vol 26, page 40, same page as when he uses his legs alone.

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P6.6
Context: Vegetto blocks Boo’s attacks with his legs
Vegetto: “Hey, hey! What’s the matter!? My legs alone are more than enough to deal with the likes of you!”

Maybe it's Viz's version of this line? Regardless, if he's just playing around fighting Buu with just his legs, it's pretty obvious he's not really trying.

[Rocketman]

"I thought you'd be tougher. C'mon, make me use my full power." Viz Vol 26, page 40, same page as when he uses his legs alone.

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P6.6
Context: Vegetto blocks Boo’s attacks with his legs
Vegetto: “Hey, hey! What’s the matter!? My legs alone are more than enough to deal with the likes of you!”

Maybe it's Viz's version of this line? Regardless, if he's just playing around fighting Buu with just his legs, it's pretty obvious he's not really trying.

Nah, he says that while Buu attacks. The panel I quoted is just before that.

[Kakashi]

"I thought you'd be tougher. C'mon, make me use my full power." Viz Vol 26, page 40, same page as when he uses his legs alone.

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P6.6
Context: Vegetto blocks Boo’s attacks with his legs
Vegetto: “Hey, hey! What’s the matter!? My legs alone are more than enough to deal with the likes of you!”

Maybe it's Viz's version of this line? Regardless, if he's just playing around fighting Buu with just his legs, it's pretty obvious he's not really trying.

Nah, he says that while Buu attacks. The panel I quoted is just before that.

That he never broke a sweat

[khalildh]

I will go with the BoG explanation.

Base Vegetto is slighty stronger than 100% Frieza and his Super Saiyan is able to toy with Boo as a piece of candy.

In terms of manga power level I would put his base at around 200 million and his Super Saiyan upwards of 10 Billion.

I like this explanation because it doesn't bloat the power scaling for Super Saiyan transformations and still leaves Base Vegetto in the sam realm as a Super Saiyan.

[Kakashi]

I will go with the BoG explanation.

Base Vegetto is slighty stronger than 100% Freeza and his Super Saiyan is able to toy with Boo as a piece of candy.

In terms of manga power level I would put his base at around 200 million and his Super Saiyan upwards of 10 Billion.

I like this explanation because it doesn't bloat the power scaling for Super Saiyan transformations and still leaves Base Vegetto in the sam realm as a Super Saiyan.

Did you fall on your head when you were a baby? BOG says Base Goku < Frieza and not Base Vegetto and that's also wrong

[Kamiccolo9]

I will go with the BoG explanation.

Base Vegetto is slighty stronger than 100% Freeza and his Super Saiyan is able to toy with Boo as a piece of candy.

In terms of manga power level I would put his base at around 200 million and his Super Saiyan upwards of 10 Billion.

I like this explanation because it doesn't bloat the power scaling for Super Saiyan transformations and still leaves Base Vegetto in the sam realm as a Super Saiyan.

Did you fall on your head when you were a baby? BOG says Base Goku < Freeza and not Base Vegetto and that's also wrong

That's uncalled for. Calm down.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

In the Anime base Vegetto is not even scratched by Buu's attacks. He could have beaten Buuhan just in his base, but the Vegeta inside him wanted to power up to show how powerful he really is.

[Darkprince410]

Did you fall on your head when you were a baby? BOG says Base Goku < Freeza and not Base Vegetto and that's also wrong

There's no need for rude and condescending comments like that. Besides, his belief has Vegetto above Freeza in his base form, and while I personally don't agree with it, there's nothing expressly said in the manga to say that he's wrong. If you feel he's wrong, then just give factual evidence. Don't be all "blah blah you're stupid blah blah that's wrong".

In the Anime base Vegetto is not even scratched by Buu's attacks. He could have beaten Buuhan just in his base, but the Vegeta inside him wanted to power up to show how powerful he really is.

The anime likes to embellish things, though no anime-only reason for why he transformed is given. However, the whole notion of one of the personalities being responsible doesn't really pan out, since it's more or less been established that the fusion is a new entity, and doesn't have the actual personalities of the two fused actually in there, per say. His mind is Vegetto's, not part Goku's and part Vegeta's.

As for the actual reason why he transformed, it wasn't just because he wanted to in order to show off. He wanted to in order to be so superior to Buu in terms of power that Buu wouldh ave no choice but to absorb him, so that he could try to find Gohan and the others and free them.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

In the Anime base Vegetto is not even scratched by Buu's attacks. He could have beaten Buuhan just in his base, but the Vegeta inside him wanted to power up to show how powerful he really is.

The anime likes to embellish things, though no anime-only reason for why he transformed is given. However, the whole notion of one of the personalities being responsible doesn't really pan out, since it's more or less been established that the fusion is a new entity, and doesn't have the actual personalities of the two fused actually in there, per say. His mind is Vegetto's, not part Goku's and part Vegeta's.

As for the actual reason why he transformed, it wasn't just because he wanted to in order to show off. He wanted to in order to be so superior to Buu in terms of power that Buu wouldh ave no choice but to absorb him, so that he could try to find Gohan and the others and free them.

Though,isn't Vegettos mind Just Goku's mind + Vegeta's mind =Vegetto's mind? It's Vegetto's mind but its a mix of Goku and Vegeta (Like Gogeta) or have a thought like this all along and been wrong? Also Vegetto did go Super Saiyan to become WAAAY stronger then Buuhan so he could easily control the fight, and end up finding everyone in Buu

[TheMightyOzaru]

I will go with the BoG explanation.

Base Vegetto is slighty stronger than 100% Freeza and his Super Saiyan is able to toy with Boo as a piece of candy.

In terms of manga power level I would put his base at around 200 million and his Super Saiyan upwards of 10 Billion.

I like this explanation because it doesn't bloat the power scaling for Super Saiyan transformations and still leaves Base Vegetto in the sam realm as a Super Saiyan.

I'm not entirely sure how you come to the conclusion that base Vegetto is only slightly stronger than full power Freeza, but ok.

[Darkprince410]

In the Anime base Vegetto is not even scratched by Buu's attacks. He could have beaten Buuhan just in his base, but the Vegeta inside him wanted to power up to show how powerful he really is.

The anime likes to embellish things, though no anime-only reason for why he transformed is given. However, the whole notion of one of the personalities being responsible doesn't really pan out, since it's more or less been established that the fusion is a new entity, and doesn't have the actual personalities of the two fused actually in there, per say. His mind is Vegetto's, not part Goku's and part Vegeta's.

As for the actual reason why he transformed, it wasn't just because he wanted to in order to show off. He wanted to in order to be so superior to Buu in terms of power that Buu wouldh ave no choice but to absorb him, so that he could try to find Gohan and the others and free them.

Though,isn't Vegettos mind Just Goku's mind + Vegeta's mind =Vegetto's mind? It's Vegetto's mind but its a mix of Goku and Vegeta (Like Gogeta) or have a thought like this all along and been wrong? Also Vegetto did go Super Saiyan to become WAAAY stronger then Buuhan so he could easily control the fight, and end up finding everyone in Buu

No, true fusions don't work with the two personalities being there. Vegetto's mind is his own, and while he may have Goku and Vegeta's memories, his thought processes are his own. Same with Gotenks. Any cases of seeing one personality being dominant comes from non-canon stuff, namely movies and GT.

His reasoning in general was to transform to gain an advantage, but as you and others have pointed out, the anime makes it seem like he was strong enough to do so in just his base form, thus making the transformation irrelevant. I was saying there wasn't a plausible "anime-only" reason for him transforming.