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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:44 am

Burter seems taller- looks like the top of Goku's head would just barley reach Burter's stomach.

Don't forget Amond. He's as big or bigger than King Cold- Goku's head is below his waist.

If Semi-Cell is only that big once, then how big is he usually?
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:06 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Burter seems taller- looks like the top of Goku's head would just barley reach Burter's stomach.
I'm sorry to come across as nitpicky or confrontational, but I've seen this word pop up in nearly every single one of your posts on this topic, so it can't just be a slip of the keyboard. Please stop saying "barley". This is barley:

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The word you're looking for is "barely". Again, I apologize, but it's driving me slightly crazy, kind of like when people write "head cannon". :wink:
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by VyeRo » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:18 pm

What do you mean "head cannon" is wrong? :lol:

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:35 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Burter seems taller- looks like the top of Goku's head would just barley reach Burter's stomach.
I'm sorry to come across as nitpicky or confrontational, but I've seen this word pop up in nearly every single one of your posts on this topic, so it can't just be a slip of the keyboard. Please stop saying "barley". This is barley:

The word you're looking for is "barely". Again, I apologize, but it's driving me slightly crazy, kind of like when people write "head cannon". :wink:
Huh? I only used "barley" thrice, actually. But yeah, I should have noticed I was misspelling it. Won't happen again.

Anyway, another unexpectedly huge character is Neiz from Movie 5. Here's him next to the over 7 feet tall Piccolo:

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Here's him compared to Dore and Salza. Salza is taller than Goku, and Dore is Recoome-sized:

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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Vice » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:02 pm

Some of the best height comparison pics available.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Gonstead » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:09 pm

Vice wrote:Some of the best height comparison pics available.
Most of those are waaaaaaaaay out of scale.

Frieza and Cold are too small, Gero is way too small, 17 and 18 a little too tall, 16 slightly too tall and Cell way too tall. Even Piccolo is a tad bit too tall.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by JackyBoi99 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:13 pm

Holy crap cell looks way too tall in that photo.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Patrick » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:17 pm

Yeah, Cell is much, much too tall for that picture. He's taller than King Cold. He should only be about 4-5 inches taller than Piccolo from this picture that I posted a little while ago.
With that said, those pictures make Tien and Yamcha's height(6'2" and 6') proportionate to Goku's 5'9", so they have something at the very least.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Gonstead » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:18 pm

Patrick wrote:Yeah, Cell is much, much too tall for that picture. He's taller than King Cold. He should only be around Piccolo's height from this picture that I posted a little while ago.
That's also roughly where Perfect Cell would be height wise as well.

Here's Goku with Ginyu.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Patrick » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:22 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:snip
Holy mother of crap, I didn't realize Neiz was that tall. I think he's taller than Evil Buu. Would that make him the tallest non-giant villain?
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by mAcChaos » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:21 am

How big is Buuhan?
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:52 am

Would anything suggest his height is different than Super Buu's?
Holy mother of crap, I didn't realize Neiz was that tall. I think he's taller than Evil Buu. Would that make him the tallest non-giant villain?
I think so. He's almost twice Salza's height (maybe more?), and looks ridiculously bigger than Piccolo. I can't think of anyone taller that doesn't qualify as a "giant" character.
That's also roughly where Perfect Cell would be height wise as well.
Huh? Perfect Cell is only about a head taller than Goku. I have his dome at 6'8, considerably shorter than Piccolo.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Gonstead » Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:47 am

mAcChaos wrote:How big is Buuhan?
Wouldn't he just simply be the same height as regular Buu?

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Attitudefan » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:40 pm

From reading the page about Freeza a little bit earlier, Freeza would definitely would not make it up to Goku's shoulders:

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Freeza in most depictions, other than when he buffs up, seems to be smaller than Vegeta. Freeza is very insignificant in height compared to 5'9" Goku.

So how tall is Cold?

If we take this image from a filler episode, no doubt was Toei using their height charts, therefore, if we compare Cell, who in his perfect form is taller than Ten, and much taller than Goku, he looks like an ant compared to Cold. Cold's head looks to be the size of Cell's torso!

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While Burter has a perspective advantage, he looks to be slightly smaller than Cold is. Also, Freeza looks to be in the same proportion to Cold as he was when we first saw them together.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:55 pm

I'm just going to go with the cover page for Cold. The cover pages always seem more consistent. The problem is determining how tall exactly Freeza is; what would ya'll estimate Cold at height-wise, in inches or centimeters?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

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RandomGuy96 wrote:I'm just going to go with the cover page for Cold. The cover pages always seem more consistent. The problem is determining how tall exactly Freeza is; what would ya'll estimate Cold at height-wise, in inches or centimeters?
Well, I'd estimate Freeza is anywhere from 4'8"(143cm) to 4'10"(147cm) based on these two pictures.
It may seem kinda silly off of how I think this, but one of my friends happens to be 4'10", and her best friend is about 5'9" as well. She's barely at her shoulders.

I don't have a height for King Cold because it's just so inconsistent. In his spaceship he could easily qualify for over 10', but...
I don't think he looks much taller than King Piccolo (8'2") in this shot. Trunks is about 5'7". Maybe 8'5" here?

Then there's this picture.
He barely looks a head taller than Trunks. Barely.
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Attitudefan » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:20 pm

In that last picture, despite the angle, Cold looks to be close to Piccolo's height where Trunks would be around Cold's shoulders.
RandomGuy96 wrote:I'm just going to go with the cover page for Cold. The cover pages always seem more consistent. The problem is determining how tall exactly Freeza is; what would ya'll estimate Cold at height-wise, in inches or centimeters?
I agree, since the cover pages are made with small details like height proportions in mind.
I think so. He's almost twice Salza's height (maybe more?), and looks ridiculously bigger than Piccolo. I can't think of anyone taller that doesn't qualify as a "giant" character.
By giant, you mean like the monster characters such as Hirudegarn? Burter and Neiz would be the tallest non-giant characters then?
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Re: The height conundrum

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:56 pm

Yeah, that's what I mean. Obviously, if we were counting them, the biggest character would be GT Oozaru Goku. Neiz looks way bigger than Burter though, and I think Amond and Cold are bigger too. There's also Abokado.

How tall would you say cover!Cold is in inches/centimeters? I have a hard time getting an accurate estimate because I'm not sure how tall Freeza is.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:07 pm

I don't count the anime's screenshots unless the characters are anime exclusive. And you have things likes this in the manga (though I do admit that Toriyama starts shrinking him a bit as the fights progress):

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Re: The height conundrum

Post by Patrick » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:17 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Yeah, that's what I mean. Obviously, if we were counting them, the biggest character would be GT Oozaru Goku. Neiz looks way bigger than Burter though, and I think Amond and Cold are bigger too. There's also Abokado.
Going by this cover? Well assuming Freeza is 4'10", and he's not even at Cold's waist, you could probably stack another Freeza and he'd still be taller by like 6 inches. I'm guessing a little over 10', maybe 10'5"(317cm)?
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