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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by NitroEX » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:07 pm

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penguintruth wrote:Trunks destroying Freeza's spaceship.

Dude, that's a free spaceship! A FREE SPACESHIP.
Huh. I'd never thought about that. I wonder if Goku destroyed their spaceship in Trunks' timeline as well?
That's something I never understood about humanity. I mean, when Apocalyptic cataclysms visit your planet as a regular occurrence, surely the King of Earth would be saying "fuck this, we're expanding into the solar system!".
But humans are like ants to every other alien race. They're too weak to survive a very likely hostile confrontation in the DB universe.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:15 pm

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Hades wrote:That's something I never understood about humanity. I mean, when Apocalyptic cataclysms visit your planet as a regular occurrence, surely the King of Earth would be saying "fuck this, we're expanding into the solar system!".
But humans are like ants to every other alienrace. They're too weak to survive a very likely confrontation in the DB universe.
However, at least the human race would have some form of safety net.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:30 pm

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Hades wrote:That's something I never understood about humanity. I mean, when Apocalyptic cataclysms visit your planet as a regular occurrence, surely the King of Earth would be saying "fuck this, we're expanding into the solar system!".
But humans are like ants to every other alienrace. They're too weak to survive a very likely confrontation in the DB universe.
However, at least the human race would have some form of safety net.
Yeah, for them to strangle themselves with. Earthlings, as they stand in Dragon Ball, wouldn't be capable of surviving any form of hostile contact in space.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:41 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Yeah, for them to strangle themselves with. Earthlings, as they stand in Dragon Ball, wouldn't be capable of surviving any form of hostile contact in space.
I doubt they'd be able to contact other races within 7 years (more likely, they'd be consolidating themselves on the Solar System).

So why should humanity stay put on Earth if it's a constant battleground that only a Deus Ex Machina keeps from turning into a desolate wasteland?
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:28 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Yeah, for them to strangle themselves with. Earthlings, as they stand in Dragon Ball, wouldn't be capable of surviving any form of hostile contact in space.
I doubt they'd be able to contact other races within 7 years (more likely, they'd be consolidating themselves on the Solar System).

So why should humanity stay put on Earth if it's a constant battleground that only a Deus Ex Machina keeps from turning into a desolate wasteland?
I dunno. Why do people still live in the Middle East, despite it being a constant battleground that keeps resulting in parts of it becoming desolate wasteland?
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Vice » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:33 pm

Going back I kinda wish Goku had taught Piccolo the kaioken in preparation for the androids so he could still be still somewhat be relevant power wise after the Cell Arc.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:34 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Hades wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Yeah, for them to strangle themselves with. Earthlings, as they stand in Dragon Ball, wouldn't be capable of surviving any form of hostile contact in space.
I doubt they'd be able to contact other races within 7 years (more likely, they'd be consolidating themselves on the Solar System).

So why should humanity stay put on Earth if it's a constant battleground that only a Deus Ex Machina keeps from turning into a desolate wasteland?
I dunno. Why do people still live in the Middle East, despite it being a constant battleground that keeps resulting in parts of it becoming desolate wasteland?
In the case of the ME, there's a lot of refugees pouring in from Syria/Lebanon/Iraq. So, why is humanity starting a programme of colonising space BAAAAD? Because Kami thinks it interferes with the universe's "natural order"?
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by rereboy » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:26 am

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In the case of the ME, there's a lot of refugees pouring in from Syria/Lebanon/Iraq. So, why is humanity starting a programme of colonising space BAAAAD? Because Kami thinks it interferes with the universe's "natural order"?
Why do you even assume that they know where planets capable of sustaining human life are? There's none in the the solar system, they knew of Namek thanks to Piccolo/Kami and Kaio. What else? The planet where Goku learned instant transmission? Do they even know how to get there? Besides, these planets are already inhabited. It would be troublesome to just move there, disturbing the locals.

Not to mention that only Bulma and Bulma's father has the technology for practical space travel (thanks to Goku's and Kami's ships) and there's no indication that they showed interest in mass producing it or selling the technology.

And even if they did, there would have to be a real interest by people to relocate to a new planet where there's hardly any humans. Easier said than done.

Furthermore, as far as the Earthlings know, they've only been in danger of being wiped out twice in their entire history (at the hands of Cell and Buu). Its not like it happens every month.

And besides all that, we don't even know what kind of space initiatives exist in DB's world. As far as we know, Capsule Corp might be negotiating contracts for deep space exploration with the government at the end of DB. It just wasn't shown. So why even assume that there's no initiative?

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Zephyr » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:50 am

Herms wrote:The only problem I have with the whole situation is where did all the guys like Namu go? You know, Earthlings who aren't Z Warrior-calibre but who still ought to be way stronger than Satan. During the early portion of the series they seemed to be relatively common, but by the Cell/Boo era they seem to all be gone. Why aren't people like King Chapa or even Giran entering the Tenkaichi Budokai anymore?
I always assumed that after the whole Piccolo Daimao incident, where they all pretty much got killed, they decided to lay low

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:18 pm

I imagine that, after getting killed by the Devil at one tournament, then going to the next tournament only for it along with the island it's on to be blown up by the Devil again, they just decided "fuck this! I'm going home".
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:58 pm

Vice wrote:Going back I kinda wish Goku had taught Piccolo the kaioken in preparation for the androids so he could still be still somewhat be relevant power wise after the Cell Arc.
A Kaioken X10 would probably put Pre-fusion Piccolo above Goku and Vegeta. I don't know about that, it would have made Piccolo the strongest character in the whole series from that point forward. :)
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:07 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:
Vice wrote:Going back I kinda wish Goku had taught Piccolo the kaioken in preparation for the androids so he could still be still somewhat be relevant power wise after the Cell Arc.
A Kaioken X10 would probably put Pre-fusion Piccolo above Goku and Vegeta. I don't know about that, it would have made Piccolo the strongest character in the whole series from that point forward. :)
You'd think Goku or Kaio would have taught Piccolo/ten/chaotzu/Yamcha (ha!) those techniques.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:42 am

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by penguintruth » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:04 am

Why is Goku sometimes telepathic/able to see memories from others and sometimes not?
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:15 am

penguintruth wrote:Why is Goku sometimes telepathic/able to see memories from others and sometimes not?
He's only been shown to be able to do it by placing his hand on the subject's head.

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:07 am

No. In the Saiya-jin arc, he was able to communicate telepathically with Gohan and Kuririn with no explanation.

Yeah, the random psychic powers thing with Goku has ALWAYS annoyed the crap out of me. Toriyama even has Goku try to play it off as a, "Hmm, I dunno. I just can," kind of thing, but, no, NO, you just can't do that!

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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Saiga » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:43 am

Goku's telepathic abilities never bothered me. Martial artists being able to use telepathy was established very early on and Goku just finished studying under a telepathic martial artist when he displayed such abilities.
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Hades » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:55 am

throw in "why didn't kami intervene immediately when Piccolo was first freed?".
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:22 pm

Mr. Popo being faster than Goku?

Remember when Popo zapped Bulmaall the way across the planet in just a couple seconds, to Yanzabit Highlands? :shock:
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Re: Things that didn't make sense in-universe

Post by Mystic Buu » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:43 pm

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Mr. Popo being faster than Goku?

Remember when Popo zapped Bulmaall the way across the planet in just a couple seconds, to Yanzabit Highlands? :shock:
He used a carpet.And why didn't Mr.Popo gave that carpet to Goku when he needed to battle the Saiyans?

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