Cell Solar Systen Statement

[VegettoEX]

Naruto forum members up in here.

What does that have to do with anything related to this topic?

Nothing. I don't know what it's meant to imply, but it has nothing to do with anything and needs not be addressed.

If you have a beef with someone from somewhere else, keep it there. If you don't like some other site or community, keep your opinions to yourself. If you want to welcome someone, do so by recognizing their contributions with some of your own.

[Polyphase Avatron]

This again?

This is one of the worst debates in all DBZ fandom history, up there with "which Buu is the strongest" or "LSSJ Broly > Everybody!"

Yeah I know I'm not really contributing, but if I never see this topic discussed again it will be too soon.

[shonenhikada]

Naruto forum members up in here.

What does that have to do with anything related to this topic?

Related to the fact that only naruto forum community still in denial that cell is a solar system buster and keep claiming hyperbole. So I'm just saying that some members are in this thread trying to sway kazenshuu (central DB) CENTRAL into believing that the feat is a hyerbole.

[Captain Sauza]

This whole argument reminds me of the one regarding Cooler's statement about Goku being able to beat Freeza when he's only fought Goku in base form at that point. One side going "Cooler says he can, then that means Goku's stronger than Freeza in base in Movie 5. End of." and the other side going "Cooler was bs'ing or just didn't really know how strong Freeza was. It's impossible for Goku to be strong enough to defeat Freeza without super saiyan."

Guess there will never be a consensus on these types of questions.

[shonenhikada]

This whole argument reminds me of the one regarding Cooler's statement about Goku being able to beat Freeza when he's only fought Goku in base form at that point. One side going "Cooler says he can, then that means Goku's stronger than Freeza in base in Movie 5. End of." and the other side going "Cooler was bs'ing or just didn't really know how strong Freeza was. It's impossible for Goku to be strong enough to defeat Freeza without super saiyan."

Guess there will never be a consensus on these types of questions.

Except cell statement is backed by guide book and was never changed even when toriyama updated the manga.

[rereboy]

This whole argument reminds me of the one regarding Cooler's statement about Goku being able to beat Freeza when he's only fought Goku in base form at that point. One side going "Cooler says he can, then that means Goku's stronger than Freeza in base in Movie 5. End of." and the other side going "Cooler was bs'ing or just didn't really know how strong Freeza was. It's impossible for Goku to be strong enough to defeat Freeza without super saiyan."

Guess there will never be a consensus on these types of questions.

That discussion doesn't make much sense because Movie 5 doesn't happen in the universe/timeline of the manga. It's its own universe/timeline and it has unknown differences regarding the universe/timeline of the manga, so Goku could very well be stronger than Freeza in base in that movie and that wouldn't mean anything for anything else in the series.

[Blackstripe]

Why is it so difficult to accept Cell blowing up a solar system? It's not like it's the first ridiculous thing to have ever happened in Dragon Ball, nor is it the most severe. It is a clear statement of a characters power, and nothing serves to contradict it.

[GokuRules987]

Solar System busting does not happen until Beerus arrives in my opinion. Solar System busting is the limit on how far DBZ characters can go in my opinion. Anything above that is fan wank.

First able Cell being a solar system feat was actually used in one of the dragon ball nintendo games released exclusively in japan and developed with the help of Toriyama. Whats even more ironic is that you chose to ignore Gohan holding back against cell solar system busting kamehameha with only half of his power, which shows that ssj2 teen Gohan was beyond solar system buster if he was fully powered up. Later we see Goku powering up into and SSJ3 and literally shaking entire planet. How the f*ck are you suppost to shake entire planet without even touching it with just your ki? It just shows how strong Goku really was at that point which already disproves the screw attack theory of Goku being able to pick up only 16,000 tons in ssj3.

Your also naive to believe that Beerus max power would only be around solar system busting when Whis clearly stated that when Beerus gets upset the entire solar system disappears which shows that Beerus doesnt even have to use full of his power in order to blow up some solar system.

SSJ3 Goku (mega solar system buster)-Majin Buu (Galaxy buster)- Beerus(Multi Galaxy Buster)- Omega Shenron (Universe Buster)- SSJ 4 Gogeta (Multiverse Buster)

And that opinion mixed with fact and not a wank you Mongo!!!

[VegettoEX]

First able Cell being a solar system feat was actually used in one of the dragon ball nintendo games released exclusively in japan and developed with the help of Toriyama.

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. The only Nintendo games Toriyama contributed to were Dragon Quest games, and that was for character designs.

And that opinion mixed with fact and not a wank you Mongo!!!

This is also nonsense.

It doesn't matter where you're from (both in real life and digitally), and it doesn't matter what your opinions are. If you're not willing to converse with your fellow fans in something even RESEMBLING a coherent and polite manner, please just keep your B.S. to yourself.

[Sayo-chan]

Well there's this:


I don't understand why some people are in denial of Cell's ability to wreck the solar system. Let's look at the most common questions posited by those that think Cell was flashing its bravado.


I. How exactly would Cell's Kamehameha blow the solar system away?

Ultimate Budoten suggests the beam would strike the Sun and wreak havoc. What other examples do we have of Kamehamehas being fired at stars? Just that filler episode where Goku fires one at an unknown size to propel himself to safety. That tells us if a beam isn't strong enough to damage a star, it will effectively do nothing. Perhaps it may cause some solar flares that would fry nearby planets, but that's speculation. If guidebooks, filler and various games aren't good enough, let's take a look at if Jupiter crashed into the Sun.

The Sun clearly wouldn't be destroyed, but the Earth would be toasted. Assuming Jupiter was teleported to the chromosphere, seeing that its 88–92% hydrogen composition would hinder it otherwise, the energy released would cook the inner rock planets. Jupiter's mass is 1.898E27 kg. The escape velocity for an object at the Sun's surface is 617.553 km/s. Using K = 1/2 mv², we get 3.6192175071074E38 joules. The Earth's sky would be billions of times brighter than what it is now (if someone wants to do the math for this, it'd be appreciated). That's thousands of times less than a one megaton nuclear bomb's energy going off in a 50 foot radius (which as a whole should only release around 4.18E15 joules). The Sun may not be destroyed, but there's a good chance there'd be a nasty blemish on its surface along with the probability of disturbing its fusion.

I also found an interesting tidbit on if Jupiter suddenly turned into a thermonuclear bomb:

Spoiler:

So if we presume Vegeta, whose battle power is roughly 18,000, could turn the surface of the Earth into a molten mess, then what about Jupiter? Well it's a gas giant, so who knows how it would react with ki, but let's assume there wouldn't be much different. It's 317.8 times more massive than the Earth, so 317.8 * 18,000 = 5,720,400. If someone were to object and say mass is irrelevant (I don't know why, but I've seen this), Jupiter has an equatorial radius 11.2 times larger than Earth's. 11.2 * 18,000 = 201,600. No matter how you slice it, Freeza would obliterate Jupiter with relative ease.

If Freeza can annihilate Jupiter, what's to stop him from pumping the Sun with enough death roids to fry the solar system? Okay, maybe that's not exactly the same thing as blowing up or "busting" it. So let's look at its size. To avoid debates, we'll say the solar system ends at the aphelion of Eris (97.651 AU, 9.07722754E9 miles, 1.46083817E10 km). Gohan's Kamehameha died out probably around where the Moon would be (384,400 km), or just a bit farther. So Cell's Kamehameha would have to cause enough devastation that it would, in some way (explosive energy), travel 38,003.07 times farther. A supernova would accomplish something like this, so I would have to go with Ultimate Budoten's depiction. Could the beam strike the Earth in such a way that it's so extreme as to engulf the solar system? Possibly.

II. Gohan's Kamehameha died out nowhere near the Sun.

This is true, however... many weaker beams have made it farther than that mark, such as Piccolo's to destroy the Moon and that one Freeza deflected into space. There's always the chance the beam went against the Earth's rotation, combined with losing even more energy on Cell's beam and Cell itself. Not to mention it was only killed because of a distraction, meaning if Gohan had released that amount of energy when Cell was pushing moments prior, it likely wouldn't've done much. Also factor in Gohan's beam had been charged for less time, with less effort throughout the struggle.

III. Pure Boo's 'Planet Buster' didn't destroy the solar system, so why would Cell's?

Freeza fired blasts that created incredible fissures that went on for miles along Namekian soil. Semi-Perfect Cell fired a number of blasts that only destroyed tiny islands. Vegeta fired a volley of blasts at Cell on three separate occasions, where the landscape remained virtually unharmed. This is irrefutable proof that there's an inconsistency amongst attacks. Now, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Blasts and beams could simply be affected by what they are therein (i.e. what type of attack they are). Pure Boo's attack may not be the type of attack that's meant to do anything besides destroy planets. It may be overkill, but it simply may not be the type of attack to create an explosion equivalent to 1.46083817E10 kilometers. Now what if Pure Boo threw this at the Sun? Perhaps there would be a good chance that the solar system would indeed 'bust'.

[BrolyLSSJ]

I dont believe nor do i accept calculations.

[Kaboom]

I dont believe nor do i accept calculations.

Why would you revive a thread that's been inactive for half a year just to (sloppily) say something so minor and pointless?