What phrases/opinions/things bring out your irate fanboy?

[Mystic Tien]

"BoG and FnF is canon, because Toriyama. Everything that I like is canon, just because."

"Everything by Toriyama is great, everything not by Toriyama is awful, but DBZ and what I like is good."

"Toriyama is a God, everything by him is canon, but Dragon Ball Minus is not canon."

"Everything by Toriyama including his manga is awful, DBZ is the best"

"Nothing happens except manga, BoG and FnF."

"DBZ is bad, because not Toriyama."

"I love american DBZ, who likes japanese DBZ is weaboo.

"Japanese voice of Goku is awful, Lynda Young's voice of Frieza is awesome" (hypocrisy)

"Bruce Fauconer has an awful music."

"Japanese DBZ has an awful music."

"I hate english dub just because"

"I hate japanese dub just because"

"Broly is the worst thing in DBZ franchise"

"Broly is the best thing in DBZ franchise"

"Broly is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, Beerus, Whis, Omega Shenron"

"Broly is so weak that even kid Goten and Trunks in base can easily defeat him"

"Beerus is the strongest DBZ character"

"His name is Beerus, Beers is wrong"

"Everything besides DBZ, BoG, FnF and some stuff which I like is not canon"

"DBZ is canon to manga, even though Toriyama didn't make it, yet Dragon Ball Minus is not canon, even though Toriyama made it"

[Gaffer Tape]

"I wish they would stop making new content for this franchise. It's over and done, I don't want to see new games or movies."

I've seen this opinion on this very forum. Who are these people? Why are they here?!

While I wouldn't necessarily put it in such absolute terms (because I like BoG, and I like, assuming it counts, Jaco), I am one of those people. And I don't see why it's so confusing why I would be here: I love the series. But loving the series and needing new content for the rest of time in order to sustain my fandom are not at all intersecting things. Because I love the series, I don't want to see it constantly revived or extended just so fans can get their fix one more time. It is over. It is done with. There was a big ol' "THE END" at the end of the last chapter in 1995. If a story is over, let it end. Sometimes that's what's best for it. Oftentimes, you can never recapture that same magic, and there's really no reason to.

But like I said, I wouldn't put it in such absolute terms as you worded it because there are revivals that go really well. I'd say I'm more wary about a series continuing when it has already ended. But so far, this new content is pretty good. But do I want it go on forever? Certainly not.

[ABED]

If a story is over, let it end. Sometimes that's what's best for it. Oftentimes, you can never recapture that same magic, and there's really no reason to.

Agreed, but the bloom was already off the rose for DB by the end. This last movie was a lot of fun. I can understand your point, but I'm not against it going on forever.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

After a certain point I just realized "Meh, it's just a cartoon" and stopped caring that much. The thing that annoys me more these days are the fans acting like jackasses about certain things just because it happens to be an opinion they don't jive with.

Thought about it, this. It's not worth it.

The suggestion that all this new Dragon Ball content is bad does miff me, if only because even though a lot of it is, it also gave us the breath of fresh air that was Battle of Gods and a Namco Bandai that would rather innovate the now tired, less-lucrative 21st century video game franchise than recognize it as the fumes of international fanaticism from a decade ago and cancel it. For a series that will have been over 20 years ago later this year, things that the international fanbase can for once follow in time with the Japanese fans, that is nuts.

[EXBadguy]

1. "You're not a true anime fan if you like DBZ" I don't even like anime anymore(this is the only anime/manga series I still love), but jeez, I hate it when anime elitists do that.

2. "You're not a true DB fan if you don't favor Kikuchi's work!" I just dunno why that's a problem to some of you that I don't like most of Kikuchi's Z work. There are some that I like, but most of it sounds too boring and generic. For me, Yammamoto(won't deny his scandal though)>Falconer>Kikuchi

3. "You're an idiot for liking the dub over the original" I like both the dub and the sub, I just prefer the dub more, and honestly, some of the sub voices don't fit for me like Super Buu(regular) and Goku's. While I do understand why Goku's JP voice sounds like that, I still don't like its girly nature. Dunno why that's a problem that I don't like it. I don't have a problem with people here saying that Sean Schemmel's voice for Goku sounds too much of a man.

4. Speaking of the Yammamoto scandal though, I hate it when some people here try to shame others for liking some of Yammamoto's music. Yes, I acknowledged he plagiarized half of the songs, I'm not going to deny that. But you don't have the right to control what I like. WTF is this? Fox News?

5. "Why do you prefer the "unofficial" rock/metal soundtrack over Kikuchi regarding the movies?" Um, excuse me? Why do you care?

6. Broly getting overhated.

7. People not acknowledging the good things about GT. They don't have to like it, but they know there are some good parts of it.

8. The "Toriyama reddish-yellow-stick-riding" mindset. For example, when Toei did the villain hell returns in GT, there's outrage, but suddenly when the latest movie revealed that Frieza is returning, there's joy. That's an example of the "reddish-yellow-stick-riding" mindset.

9. Expecting Dragon Ball in general to have excessive sexual fanservice

10. Expecting me to like everything about Dragon Ball. If there's something I don't like, I'll call it out. I don't know why some people wanna belittle me just becuz I dislike the Super Saiyan God form or the Golden Frieza form.


That's all I got. Other than that, I don't really care what people have to say. Though honestly sometimes I do feel like I'm too old to like Dragon Ball or any anime or cartoon.

[rereboy]

While I wouldn't necessarily put it in such absolute terms (because I like BoG, and I like, assuming it counts, Jaco), I am one of those people. And I don't see why it's so confusing why I would be here: I love the series. But loving the series and needing new content for the rest of time in order to sustain my fandom are not at all intersecting things. Because I love the series, I don't want to see it constantly revived or extended just so fans can get their fix one more time. It is over. It is done with. There was a big ol' "THE END" at the end of the last chapter in 1995. If a story is over, let it end. Sometimes that's what's best for it. Oftentimes, you can never recapture that same magic, and there's really no reason to.

But like I said, I wouldn't put it in such absolute terms as you worded it because there are revivals that go really well. I'd say I'm more wary about a series continuing when it has already ended. But so far, this new content is pretty good. But do I want it go on forever? Certainly not.

I don't agree. As long as it actually is good, new material is always welcome. And even if it's bad or meh, we can just ignore it.

[Scarz]

"I wish they would stop making new content for this franchise. It's over and done, I don't want to see new games or movies."

I've seen this opinion on this very forum. Who are these people? Why are they here?!

While I wouldn't necessarily put it in such absolute terms (because I like BoG, and I like, assuming it counts, Jaco), I am one of those people. And I don't see why it's so confusing why I would be here: I love the series. But loving the series and needing new content for the rest of time in order to sustain my fandom are not at all intersecting things. Because I love the series, I don't want to see it constantly revived or extended just so fans can get their fix one more time. It is over. It is done with. There was a big ol' "THE END" at the end of the last chapter in 1995. If a story is over, let it end. Sometimes that's what's best for it. Oftentimes, you can never recapture that same magic, and there's really no reason to.

But like I said, I wouldn't put it in such absolute terms as you worded it because there are revivals that go really well. I'd say I'm more wary about a series continuing when it has already ended. But so far, this new content is pretty good. But do I want it go on forever? Certainly not.

I can respect that totally. I've just met fans (here and offline) who are completely sick of seeing new... well, anything! Games, figures, etc. I even spoke to one fellow who said he was a huge fan but just wanted the franchise to die so everyone can just move on.

I know no one wants to see a series they're very fond of being milked for all it's worth. After a while, it begins to lose it's magic. But for someone like me, I enjoy watching new movies, playing new games, and yes even go as far as saying I would love to see more of the expanding universe.

[Analytical Delusion]

I think a lot of the negativity towards Toriyama, and his involvement in some of the newer content, gets to me a bit. The entire "canon"/"continuity" question is one without a correct answer, and a lot of it is personal taste. But it seems there's been a substantial portion of the fanbase that outright rejects everything we've seen in recent years from the franchise. Derision/discounting of Toriyama's involvement, playing up the forgetfulness narrative (which is played out to me, and borders on disrespectful), and just negative attitudes in general.

Again, obviously a matter of taste, but for years and years, we were without content. Everyone gobbled up as much as possible from the manga and DB+DBZ+DBGT+movies+TV specials, but that was it for content for what seemed to be a very long time. We all have had different experiences and preferences, but I do think a lot of the recent productions have done a terrific job of bringing people back who had grown apart from the fandom. So it's a bit frustrating to me to see people constantly wishing the series was never rebooted, and trying to diminish the significance of modern releases. Not trying to be combative, just my take.

[Kamiccolo9]

Actually, now that I think on it, one argument that annoys the crap out of me is that "DBZ gods aren't really gods. Gods are omnipotent and stuff," and variations on that theme.

I'm pretty sure, if nothing else, that between the Thor movie and Disney's Hercules, the idea of non-monotheistic religions is mainstream enough that people should get the idea that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God is not, nor has ever been, the sole example of divinity.

And the fact that so many people fail to realize this strikes me as either a failure on them as students (because surely there isn't a school that totally ignores, if nothing else, the Greeks and Romans), or as a failure of their teachers (which, being a teacher myself, I consider even worse.)

So basically, people should educated themselves on other cultures, and I get pissed when they don't. The god thing is just how this affects Dragon Ball, for me.

[Gyt Kaliba]

And the fact that so many people fail to realize this strikes me as either a failure on them as students (because surely there isn't a school that totally ignores, if nothing else, the Greeks and Romans)

You would be surprised. I think at my school we basically covered the Greek/Roman stuff when I was in elementary, and then it never came up ever again in higher grades than that.

Then again, my school is also the one that when we were required to take a semester of state (in my case Arkansas) history, they basically covered all of the "flattering" things about the state, rather than some of the more horrific things (like the Japanese internment camps), soooo...yeaaaahhhh...

[Kamiccolo9]

And the fact that so many people fail to realize this strikes me as either a failure on them as students (because surely there isn't a school that totally ignores, if nothing else, the Greeks and Romans)

You would be surprised. I think at my school we basically covered the Greek/Roman stuff when I was in elementary, and then it never came up ever again in higher grades than that.

Then again, my school is also the one that when we were required to take a semester of state (in my case Arkansas) history, they basically covered all of the "flattering" things about the state, rather than some of the more horrific things (like the Japanese internment camps), soooo...yeaaaahhhh...

Gotta love the American south, right?

[MCDaveG]

Well, I still envy being born in US. Ignorancy of one person is mostly his own game. We also weren't thought at school, that Kingdom of Bohemia was established thanks to the income of main trade route to the south Spain
with the biggest income to the kingdom being slave trade. So, once the ruling kingdom of the Holy Roman Empire was built on slavery. Instead it is flattery and some of the fable stuff, that was written by czech writer in 19th century,
which was a time that idealized knighthood and middle ages.

And stuff like this is even worse in Japan and such. I think it serves to teach us blind patriotism, instead of confronting us and let us think about the history constructively and to learn from past mistakes.

[EXBadguy]

History sure does play a part in today's society, doesn't it?

Then again, my school is also the one that when we were required to take a semester of state (in my case Arkansas) history, they basically covered all of the "flattering" things about the state, rather than some of the more horrific things (like the Japanese internment camps), soooo...yeaaaahhhh...

Was this during high school or college. I ask, cuz college sure as hell doesn't only teach us the "flattery", or at least the university I go to doesn't. When I was at a community college(did the "2 years plan" if it rings a bell to anyone here), I took a course about the state I live in(New Jersey) and they didn't hold back.

[johnboy1]

That's generally the pattern: In primary/secondary school, they give you the Sunday school version about how awesome things were and how it was a never-ending success story for civilization... then in college they deliberately try to make you feel guilty for being born in this country.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Was this during high school or college. I ask, cuz college sure as hell doesn't only teach us the "flattery", or at least the university I go to doesn't. When I was at a community college(did the "2 years plan" if it rings a bell to anyone here), I took a course about the state I live in(New Jersey) and they didn't hold back.

It was high school (never made it to college), but interesting that college might be a little different in what they'd teach you. Though I have my suspicions that the local college here probably still only sings praises of the local life rather than showcasing some of the bad parts of it. I just know I hadn't even heard of the previous example I brought up until I saw George Takei talking about it, and any coverage of the Civil War pretty much did all it could to not actually state we lost. It was...sad.

[Skar]

While I wouldn't necessarily put it in such absolute terms (because I like BoG, and I like, assuming it counts, Jaco), I am one of those people. And I don't see why it's so confusing why I would be here: I love the series. But loving the series and needing new content for the rest of time in order to sustain my fandom are not at all intersecting things. Because I love the series, I don't want to see it constantly revived or extended just so fans can get their fix one more time. It is over. It is done with. There was a big ol' "THE END" at the end of the last chapter in 1995. If a story is over, let it end. Sometimes that's what's best for it. Oftentimes, you can never recapture that same magic, and there's really no reason to.

But like I said, I wouldn't put it in such absolute terms as you worded it because there are revivals that go really well. I'd say I'm more wary about a series continuing when it has already ended. But so far, this new content is pretty good. But do I want it go on forever? Certainly not.

That's basically the way I feel. I don't want Dragoball to be one of those franchises that ran its course and keeps dragging on for years. Every story has to be come to an end eventually so I think it's better to end it on a good point than keep pushing along until they run out of ideas. Luckily I don't think that's going to be the case with Dragonball. I don't know what they plan to do with the other gods of destruction but I'm guessing if Goku surpasses them there won't be much else for him to do after that. I wouldn't mind also seeing more prequels and side-stories taking place during one of the many timeskips.

[FortuneSSJ]

- Toriyama is getting lazy. All the news transformations suck. Its just recolors now.
- I want a GT Golden SSJ4

-Super saiyan God sucks.
- I want super saiyan 5, 6 ,7...

[dbzfan7]

When someone removes context to try and make a character look better.

[Doctor.]

Aren't you guys taking this discussion in the other thread just a tad too seriously?

[XanatosVanBadass]

Pretty much anytime someone says the

"ALLY TO GOOD, NIGHTMARE TO YOU!"

speech is better than

"I AM THE SUPER SAIYAN, SON GOKU!"

Without even the slightest hint of irony.