SSJGSS confirmed stronger than SSJ4?

[h0kuten]

We've got proof of two beings with Godly Ki fusing.

We've got proof of two beings, one with Godly Ki, one without, fusing.

What more evidence do you need to even consider it as a possibility?

Do we have proof two God beings can use the Potara?

[Doctor.]

We've got proof of two beings with Godly Ki fusing.

We've got proof of two beings, one with Godly Ki, one without, fusing.

What more evidence do you need to even consider it as a possibility?

Do we have proof two God beings can use the Potara?

Uh, yeah. The Potara were made by Kaioshin for Kaioshin.

[h0kuten]

We've got proof of two beings with Godly Ki fusing.

We've got proof of two beings, one with Godly Ki, one without, fusing.

What more evidence do you need to even consider it as a possibility?

Do we have proof two God beings can use the Potara?

Uh, yeah. The Potara were made by Kaioshin for Kaioshin.

And they didn't become that much more powerful and Goku & Vegeta no longer have a rivalry, correct?

[Doctor.]

And they didn't become that much more powerful and Goku & Vegeta no longer have a rivalry, correct?

What's your point? They'd still fuse and become stronger. At least 2x stronger if you use the Kibitoshin fusion as a basis. It wouldn't be useless.

[h0kuten]

And they didn't become that much more powerful and Goku & Vegeta no longer have a rivalry, correct?

What's your point? They'd still fuse and become stronger. At least 2x stronger if you use the Kibitoshin fusion as a basis. It wouldn't be useless.

They wouldn't much more powerful.

Under the knowledge of Beerus threatening to kill them & the world, they don't even see it as an option.

If anything, I'd assume trying to become a SSJG would cause the Potara to split the same way it did with Majin Buu. They are two different realms of power and until I see evidence of Vegetto becoming a Super Saiyan God, nothing will convince me other-wise.

[Doctor.]

They don't see the dance as an option either. They don't try to get their potential unlocked, even when it's supposedly limitless.

It's called bad writing, the series as a whole lot of it.

[h0kuten]

They don't see the dance as an option either. They don't try to get their potential unlocked, even when it's supposedly limitless.

It's called bad writing, the series as a whole lot of it.

Frieza's is stated to never be able to surpass Beerus, so it means he's at his maximum potential. Goku SSJG SS see's Frieza as a great rival, so he is also probably at his highest potential.

Still, I don't see Vegetto becoming a Super Saiyan God.

[Doctor.]

Let's think about it this way. Here's an hypothesis: say Super goes on for long enough and eventually Goten and Trunks undergo the ritual and absorb the Super Saiyan God power. They then fight some opponent and fuse into Gotenks. Gotenks turns SSGSS and is the strongest fighter of the Dragon Team at that point in time.

What would you say about Vegetto then?

[miguelnuva1]

We've got proof of two beings with Godly Ki fusing.

We've got proof of two beings, one with Godly Ki, one without, fusing.

What more evidence do you need to even consider it as a possibility?

Do we have proof two God beings can use the Potara?

Uh, yeah. The Potara were made by Kaioshin for Kaioshin.

And they didn't become that much more powerful and Goku & Vegeta no longer have a rivalry, correct?

Did you not see Vegeta slip right back into his rivalry with Goku in the movies/super? Vegeta more or less said I admit your the best now but you want be the best forever kakarot. Also here is what your saying.



This guy is now useless and would be manhandled by Beerus correct. This guy has no god ki and is weaker than the Gods and Frieza to the point Goku wouldn't even consider using him anymore.



This guy would have God ki, and would tear Beerus and Whis a new one.

[h0kuten]

Let's think about it this way. Here's an hypothesis: say Super goes on for long enough and eventually Goten and Trunks undergo the ritual and absorb the Super Saiyan God power. They then fight some opponent and fuse into Gotenks. Gotenks turns SSGSS and is the strongest fighter of the Dragon Team at that point in time.

What would you say about Vegetto then?

Until it happens I have no reason to see it as a possibility.

The kids only transform into Gotenks in the opening.
Gohan turns Ultimate in the opening.
Goku goes SSJG in the opening.

There is no evidence of any other fusion counter-part up until now.

[Alondite]

It's pointless to argue with him, guys. He's locked himself into "I don't care" mode and isn't going to humor even plain logic.

[Truhan]

Since God ki is not theirs, but was handed to them and then absorbed, there's a reason to think that only their power at base would increase, including more storage capacity. In the end, even if Goku and Vegeta's God ki didn't merge like their powers through potara, there would be enough room to gather more through another ritual.

In the Battle of Gods animanga, Toriyama stated in his interview that Goku, after absorbing the power of Super Saiya-jin God, "made it is own". So even though it wasn't initially his ki, when he absorbed it, it became his ki.

It's inside of him, but it's not his own. It's different than Gohan having a Hidden Potential all along, because it was already inside of him. When Goku turned Base from SSJG, he was stronger than he had been at the Buu saga. When Gohan turns Base from his Ultimate self, he is at the same level that he was before. Goku's body has been stretched to new limits, and his power increases should take place even if God ki is taken from him, but in a scaled down body. That's the only way Akira Toriyama has to write the characters to fit the EoZ, in my opinion.

[h0kuten]

It's pointless to argue with him, guys. He's locked himself into "I don't care" mode and isn't going to humor even plain logic.

I guess so

I just find it silly Toriyama would build on the God concept for over a few years now only to have them use an old concept and merge them together. He previously said he wouldn't use the Metamoran because it was used before. So the possibility of seeing a hypothetical SSJG SS Vegetto is non-existent.

[Truhan]

I would love to see Vegetto again though, but with a twist: God ki doesn't stack like they think it would, and so they are stuck like that until they split by the hand of a special event. It would seem too obvious to have a fusion between the strongest warriors take care of Whis and Beerus, when we aren't considering that they would be able to fuse as well.

[Darkprince410]

It's inside of him, but it's not his own.

Again, Toriyama explicitly states that Goku made it his own when he absorbed it.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... -toriyama/

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?

I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

[h0kuten]

I would love to see Vegetto again though, but with a twist: God ki doesn't stack like they think it would, and so they are stuck like that until they split by the hand of a special event. It would seem too obvious to have a fusion between the strongest warriors take care of Whis and Beerus, when we aren't considering that they would be able to fuse as well.

Under the knowledge Toriyama doesn't use old concepts and invents new ones, such as Saiyan God replacing Super Saiyan, I take it as my responsibility to find a reason as to why it wouldn't work. A good reason I found was that God power wouldn't be compatible with the Potara any-more, and it would probably only be useful under the Super Saiyan conditions, such as Ssj + Ssj2 + Ssj3 and not the Super Saiyan God.

[Truhan]

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?

I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

I don't think you understood me. It's his own as of now and inside of him, as the same god damn thing. The context of that statement refers to the need of having to transform again, which doesn't deny that God ki could be taken from him at any moment.

[Darkprince410]

Under the knowledge Toriyama doesn't use old concepts and invents new ones, such as Saiyan God replacing Super Saiyan, I take it as my responsibility to find a reason as to why it wouldn't work. A good reason I found was that God power wouldn't be compatible with the Potara any-more, and it would probably only be useful under the Super Saiyan conditions, such as Ssj + Ssj2 + Ssj3 and not the Super Saiyan God.

Him inventing new concepts doesn't automatically mean that the old concepts wouldn't still be viable. Besides, as myself and others have pointed out, it's not a good reason because it doesn't make sense given who those earrings are originally meant for. They are the earrings of the Kaioushin, beings with god ki, so for them not to be compatible with the god ki when Goku and Vegeta are Ssj God would make no sense. If they were some special, magical earrings belonging to beings in the mortal realm, that'd be one thing, but these are earrings for gods. If anything, it'd make more sense that they'd not work for those possessing normal ki than it would that they'd not work for those possessing god ki.

I don't think you understood me. It's his own as of now and inside of him, as the same god damn thing. The context of that statement refers to the need of having to transform again, which doesn't deny that God ki could be taken from him at any moment.

Given though that he's made it his own implies that it's as much a part of him now as his normal ki is, and not something that can readily and simply be sucked away. Is it possible it could be removed, yes, but it's just as possible all his normal ki could be removed as well.

[KentalSSJ6]

Why the hell are we even still talking about Vegetto at this point? The argument is if SSGSS is > SSJ4. It was not about some what-if hypothetical Vegetto.

[Truhan]

Sorry about that. I'll try to fill myself up on the subject.