Are BoG and RoF dragging the series downhill?

[Sayo-chan]

Some fans seem to hate the idea of new gods in the series. I don't get why since we had gods above gods before.

The introduction of Kaio already started to needlessly break the mysticism. A lot of us feel it's just repetitive and stupid, that said, the only true God is Cell. That's what's dragging the new content down, not enough Cell.

[ekrolo2]

Is Beerus not simply a destructive counter part to the Kais? Hes only above them in power but both have equally important roles in the balance of the universe. He destroys, they create. The only reason he seems to have more authority is because everyones afraid of ticking him off, including the Kais.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I don't think BoG and RoF are dragging it downhill, but DB Super is, partially due to the animation.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't think BoG and RoF are dragging it downhill, but DB Super is, partially due to the animation.

It's only been one episode of bad animation and Super still has a long way to go.

[Hellspawn28]

They Live is a perfect example. The acting was terrible, the dialogue laughably bad, it's budget/shooting schedule had a lot to do with why it looked the way it did. Terrible movie

They Live was made to be a homage to 50's B movies. The movie was made to be cheesy and silly. At least They Live had a good subtext to it on expressing social/political fears and anxieties. Something that a lot of modern B movies failed to do like Sharkando.

[Soccerjam]

YES! It was all GREAT as it was before 2013! I DON'T DO REBOOTS IF THEY TRY TO ERASE WHAT I ALREADY ENJOYED

[Lord Beerus]

YES! It was all GREAT as it was before 2013! I DON'T DO REBOOTS IF THEY TRY TO ERASE WHAT I ALREADY ENJOYED

Battle Of Gods and ROF are not reboots. They are side stories.

[Soccerjam]

YES! It was all GREAT as it was before 2013! I DON'T DO REBOOTS IF THEY TRY TO ERASE WHAT I ALREADY ENJOYED

Battle Of Gods and ROF are not reboots. They are side stories.

Well, everyone now makes it sound like these self called "gods" are the most untouchable in the the series while I already know Goku ends the series being the strongest years ago. Seriously, "God of Destruction"? NO ONE should have ANY authority destroying planets, that's what supernovas and black holes are for! Oh, and occasionally meteors too.

[ekrolo2]

YES! It was all GREAT as it was before 2013! I DON'T DO REBOOTS IF THEY TRY TO ERASE WHAT I ALREADY ENJOYED

Battle Of Gods and ROF are not reboots. They are side stories.

Well, everyone now makes it sound like these self called "gods" are the most untouchable in the the series while I already know Goku ends the series being the strongest years ago. Seriously, "God of Destruction"? NO ONE should have ANY authority destroying planets, that's what supernovas and black holes are for! Oh, and occasionally meteors too.

A new character getting introduced still isn't a reboot, nor was Goku the strongest even at the end of the Boo Saga. Gotenks and Gohan were still above him in power unless you count the new movies or GT where Goku did surpass them. Nor does your opinion on the ethical issues of letting someone like Beerus act as a force of nature count as a reboot either.

[Sayo-chan]

YES! It was all GREAT as it was before 2013! I DON'T DO REBOOTS IF THEY TRY TO ERASE WHAT I ALREADY ENJOYED

Battle Of Gods and ROF are not reboots. They are side stories.

Well, everyone now makes it sound like these self called "gods" are the most untouchable in the the series while I already know Goku ends the series being the strongest years ago. Seriously, "God of Destruction"? NO ONE should have ANY authority destroying planets, that's what supernovas and black holes are for! Oh, and occasionally meteors too.

Spoiler:

The only God of Destruction I know is Cell. He has infinite ki.

[VintageSaiyan]

I think Beerus and Whis are extremely boring characters. Beerus himself is another version of Majin Buu - a spoiled little shit with incredible power that will kill you over pudding. Seriously, this is one of the "best additions to the franchise"? As of now he has no depth and Whis is even worse. Is he a guy? A girl? Both? Do you care? Does he add anything to mythos? Is there anything about his character that is really engaging? Does the fact that his gender is ambiguous really add anything at all? Maybe in Universe 6 they'll expand on it, though I'm still doubtful anything will come out of it with the writing heading the path it's been on. DBZ wasn't known for amazing writing, but at least it's characters were strong and engaging. We still have great characters with unresolved issues and flaws from the last series - it's sad seeing everybody reduced to a caricature.

[Hellspawn28]

Beerus as a lot of personality to his character. A lot of fans like him because he is enjoyable to watch on screen. His love for food is similar to Buu, but both characters are different in my opinion. Most characters written by Toei like Super 17, Yi Xing Long, almost every GT and 13 movie villains fail to have personality and depth to their characters. Bebi, Garlic Jr, Dr. Uiro, and Hirdegarn where only good villains that Toei created in my opinion. Janemba is a fun villain, but in the end he has nothing special going for him besides his cool character design. Same with Coola.

[ekrolo2]

Beerus as a lot of personality to his character. A lot of fans like him because he is enjoyable to watch on screen. His love for food is similar to Buu, but both characters are different in my opinion. Most characters written by Toei like Super 17, Yi Xing Long, almost every GT and 13 movie villains fail to have personality and depth to their characters. Bebi, Garlic Jr, Dr. Uiro, and Hirdegarn where only good villains that Toei created in my opinion. Janemba is a fun villain, but in the end he has nothing special going for him besides his cool character design. Same with Coola.

I don't think Beerus has much depth as he's interesting to think about over the implications he brings to the table: having this man-child be the judge, jury and executioner of planets over whatever he wants because he has the divine right to kill them over anything. Its probably why I like Baby & The Shadow Dragons as well, not much depth to them as characters but their implications are cool to think about.

[Hellspawn28]

I thought all of the Shadow Dragons where lame expect for two of them. Si Xing Long (Nova Shenron) was a good character, but he was not a villain. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron) was pretty cool since I like his dark and sinister personality, but he was killed off way too quickly. Almost all of the Shadow Dragons where killed off quickly and never had a chance to developed them property.

[Soccerjam]

A new character getting introduced still isn't a reboot, nor was Goku the strongest even at the end of the Boo Saga. Gotenks and Gohan were still above him in power unless you count the new movies or GT where Goku did surpass them. Nor does your opinion on the ethical issues of letting someone like Beerus act as a force of nature count as a reboot either.[/quote]
Of course I count Dragon Ball GT! Plus, it just keeps sounding like people are trying real hard to overwrite the original story.

[Soccerjam]

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Spoiler:

The only God of Destruction I know is Cell. He has infinite ki.[/quote]
Heh, didn't know that title card existed for him.

[ekrolo2]

A new character getting introduced still isn't a reboot, nor was Goku the strongest even at the end of the Boo Saga. Gotenks and Gohan were still above him in power unless you count the new movies or GT where Goku did surpass them. Nor does your opinion on the ethical issues of letting someone like Beerus act as a force of nature count as a reboot either.

Of course I count Dragon Ball GT! Plus, it just keeps sounding like people are trying real hard to overwrite the original story.[/quote]

Retcons typically do that, don't know why Toriyama has such a hard on for this in-between period of the manga to have the new movies & Super happen in. Could be he doesn't want to directly conflict with GT by putting the new material around the same time period as GT was but i really doubt that. He's tip toed around some stuff others were doing in the past like Gogeta but i doubt he even remembers GT.

[ABED]

Almost all of the Shadow Dragons where killed off quickly and never had a chance to developed them property.

What kind of development are you looking for? They are forces of pure evil created by the dragon balls, and even then they have personalities. I don't think it needed to be stretched out longer than it did to get the point.

[Ozotto]

In my own opinion, I don't think it's going downhill.

It appears to be pretty popular and did well at the box office.

It's bringing new life to the series.

However, these new movies and DBSuper pale in comparison to the classic/ original DBZ.
You can't recreate what DBZ had going on in the 90's.

This new DBZ is great to get new/ younger fans exposed to DBZ though, which is great.

Each generation should have their own DBZ to hold onto.

[Hellspawn28]

Almost all of the Shadow Dragons where killed off quickly and never had a chance to developed them property.

What kind of development are you looking for? They are forces of pure evil created by the dragon balls, and even then they have personalities. I don't think it needed to be stretched out longer than it did to get the point.

There personalities where bland. Yi Xing Long is our final villain in the series and he is generic as hell. He has no level of personality to him and came off another doomsday villain. He has much personality as a typical villain in Johnny Quest or Scooby Doo in my opinion. The other Shadow Dragons didn't had much personality to them and where not memorable. Si Xing Long (Nova Shenron) and San Xing Long (Eis Shenron) had some personality to their characters. They are force of pure evil, but they didn't come off
threatening at all. They could have took the time to make them more seriously and show their force of destruction, but didn't. They just got killed off in one episode and move on like it was nothing.