Is Vegito vastly superior to Gogeta or only slightly?

[Darkprince410]

Oh please, not this argument again... Trunks has less mass than Vegeta, which in a gravity room makes all the difference. While Trunks is allowed to move fast, Vegeta packs quite a punch and only gets scratched. As for Goten... Gohan meant exactly what he said: if he's not careful, the boys are going to surpass him, and yet, they haven't unlocked SSJ2 on their own. The 2008 special places Goku and Vegeta quite close to, if not above Gotenks on a similar form, and Vegeta took more of a beating than Gotenks could ever dream of in BoG, while explicitly saying: "you stand no chance". If a fused character's power splits, no matter the formula, then Goten and Trunks are nowhere close to their parents, as if the over reliance on fusion wasn't enough of an argument.

1) Except that it wouldn't. They would weigh proportionally the exact same outside as they would inside under the 150g, so if they were in a 1g environment, the situation still would have been the exact same. Besides, Vegeta only got "scratched" cause Trunks' punch caught the side of his cheek rather than a head on blow.

2) Yet if they were the miles and miles away from Gohan that you indicate the boys are, Gohan wouldn't have that fear. Besides, the Daizenshuu establishes Goten being just as strong as Gohan, so officially, they are that close together.

3) Gotenks wasn't remotely trying at all when he was fighting Aka. He effortlessly battered and tossed him around in his base form, and then with a "technique" he stole from Mr. Satan, he sent Aka bouncing around the inner wall of the hotel courtyard several times with a single blow, while Goku's blow didn't do anything near as drastic. Besides, one could easily make the argument that, between the damage he received from Gotenks and all the energy he put into his Super Wahaha no ha, Aka wasn't anywhere near as powerful when Goku struck him as he was when Gotenks attacked him.

4) Literally no one at the time stood any chance against Beerus, so Vegeta saying that Gotenks stood no chance is irrelevant. Besides, Beerus was clearly pulling his punches and fluctuating his strength based on his opponent's power, so

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I really wish the Daizenshuu didn't exist... It's as if people reverse engineer their logic because of one "official" statement made by editors, no matter if under Akira Toriyama's supervision, however little.

I'm not using the Daizenshuu, Goten in the manga shows himself to be on Gohan's level.

[Truhan]

I really wish the Daizenshuu didn't exist... It's as if people reverse engineer their logic because of one "official" statement made by editors, no matter if under Akira Toriyama's supervision, however little.

It's as if I predict the outcome of the arguments... xD Sure thing, Darkprince. Have it your way. Mass suddenly doesn't matter when Dr. Briefs made a comment about gravity before, and whatever happened has always a reason that is beyond our understanding, except yours. Man, I'm always one step behind... On the In-universe discussion.

[Darkprince410]

I really wish the Daizenshuu didn't exist... It's as if people reverse engineer their logic because of one "official" statement made by editors, no matter if under Akira Toriyama's supervision, however little.

It's as if I predict the outcome of the arguments... xD Sure thing, Darkprince. Have it your way. Mass suddenly doesn't matter when Dr. Briefs made a comment about gravity before, and whatever happened has always a reason that is beyond our understanding, except yours. Man, I'm always one step behind... On the In-universe discussion.

You don't understand though. It wouldn't matter in that situation because they both would be affected the exact same way. They're going to weigh proportionally the same (150x normal) inside as they would outside, so in a 1g environment, the "scuffle" between Trunks and Vegeta would still have turned out the same.

[Truhan]

No, actually, in a low gravity environment, it would take less power for Vegeta to deliver the same punch, which means he is free to deliver even stronger ones, or move faster. Trunks benefits from gravity not affecting him as much, but without it, he still doesn't carry that much of a punch. He would just tickle Vegeta very fast, without the weight to harm him.

[miguelnuva1]

Vegito is not stronger than Gokhan, he only had thw stronger potara fusion increase.

We can't know that for sure. The way I interpret Rou Kaioshin's statement implies, IMO, that Vegetto is stronger than "Gokhan" would have been.

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

Vegito isntantly with ssj in the manga to fight Buuhan, all Gokhan has to do is double Gohan's power and their base form destroys Nuuhan.

The old Kaioshin said that Goku and Vegeta's fusion was "the strongest," and Vegetto later admitted that he didn't know his own power. That doesn't really prove anything.

And if you're basing Gogeta's power off of a movie, then you might as well drag the filler in where Vegetto was kicking Buu's ass in base.[/quote]

I always took tyat as the strongest Potara fusion, not the strongest result. Vegito's fusion would give a greater fusion boost than Gokhan or even Kibito Kai but he's not the strongest result.

As for filler I'm comparing Anime Gogeta with Manga Vegito because those are the official version. Gogeta is a Toei character so I see no reason to include an imaginary character that we'll never see when the real one is there.

Also even if we include Anime Vegito, Buuhan still says that he's holding back against base Vegito.

[Darkprince410]

No, actually, in a low gravity environment, it would take less power for Vegeta to deliver the same punch, which means he is free to deliver even stronger ones, or move faster. Trunks benefits from gravity not affecting him as much, but without it, he still doesn't carry that much of a punch. He would just tickle Vegeta very fast, without the weight to harm him.

That's simply not how that would work. Trunks and Vegeta's movements in the room would be proportionally identical inside as they would outside, as gravity is affecting them identically. Yes, Trunks is lighter than Vegeta, but he's proportionally just as light outside as he is inside. Besides, Vegeta has already trained under gravity far higher than that for years on end, so any notion that 150g would affect him in any real way is like saying that the 10x gravity of Kaiou's planet, by itself, would have any significant effect on Goku when he went to train there during Bog/Super.

The only legitimate reason that Trunks was able to do so well against Vegeta, and Vegeta's blow, in turn, did so little to Trunks, is because the two were close in power. This is supported by everything else shown during the Buu Saga when it comes to the boys' strength in relation to the adults.

[Truhan]

Look, I know that with Dragon Ball we can appeal to things not making much sense, and having its own rules, clinging to feats and statements without understanding, and taking them at face value to determine the winner, but you can't change rules of nature. Just like wind, as a constant, someone who is wider is going to have a harder time at being faster than someone slender, but the force he is exerting to be as fast is gonna pay off once the wind is down, while the slender person won't have major gains. Same thing with gravity: if you actually think that someone who has never gone through weight training is going to be stronger than someone who has, no matter if gravity is all the same, you're wrong. Eventually, the power a weaker person can exert is going to translate into speed, without packing a punch.

[Kaboom]

What does this have to do with Gogeta or Vegetto, again...?

[Hitiro]

Look, I know that with Dragon Ball we can appeal to things not making much sense, and having its own rules, clinging to feats and statements without understanding, and taking them at face value to determine the winner, but you can't change rules of nature. Just like wind, as a constant, someone who is wider is going to have a harder time at being faster than someone slender, but the force he is exerting to be as fast is gonna pay off once the wind is down, while the slender person won't have major gains. Same thing with gravity: if you actually think that someone who has never gone through weight training is going to be stronger than someone who has, no matter if gravity is all the same, you're wrong. Eventually, the power a weaker person can exert is going to translate into speed, without packing a punch.

Actually speed ultimately translates into the ultimate power. The faster you can accelerate a mass the more power it will contain. That is why if you could throw anything at lightspeed then its mass would translate into infinity through sheer energy alone and be enough power to destroy a lot. In the comics with the Flash an infinite mass punch literally equates to the to being hit with the power of a white dwarf star. That's why weight lifters don't make good boxers. They may have trained to lift unreasonable amounts of weight but their punching power is nowhere near the level of someone who can actually throw a fast solid punch.

If you look at the ratio of weight lifting to punching power then Georges St. Pierre, a mixed martial artist, managed to throw punches of 2859 Lbs of Force. Pretty much almost 3 tons of power. His kicks have registered at 3477 Lbs of Force. So nearly 3.5 tons. The most weight a weight lifter has ever lifter is 1008.6148 lbs. Which is just over a ton. And they can in no way throw punches like Georges St. Pierre.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Base Vegetto > SSJ3 Gogeta .SSJ3 Gogeta would be only at Butenks level at best in my opinion while Base Vegetto was stomping Buuhan effortlessly.

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[Lord Beerus]

Base Vegetto > SSJ3 Gogeta .SSJ3 Gogeta would be only at Butenks level at best in my opinion while Base Vegetto was stomping Buuhan effortlessly.

This right here...........

Base Vegetto stomping Buuhan only happened in filler, so it's debatable.