Do we expect too much from Super?

Shinsa · Post by **Shinsa** » Fri May 13, 2016 8:28 am

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
Faisal Shourov wrote:
DragonHermit wrote:It just irritates the hell me out when people say Super is shit because of the same crap that DBZ suffered from, but DBZ is somehow the greatest show and Super trash.
Dragon Ball is the pioneer of modern shonen anime. All mainstream shonen today like Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Hunter x Hunter are explicitly said to be inspired by Dragon Ball (you can find the interviews where all mangaka say they are inspired by Toriyama). It was the highest selling manga of all time before One Piece came, it basically introduced much of the modern anime tropes (which we make fun of today because of being cliche and overused). Dragon Ball the only anime that was able to become a mainstream show worldwide to a diverse age demographic (pokemon anime was limited upto 12 and under). DBZ might seem outdated now but it was the benchmark for a long time. You can't compare a trend setter to Dragon Ball Super.
But it is very disappointing when Anime inspired by DB, do these tropes better than the original that still fails to modernize what they expanded on. Super barely lives up to the bar that was raised by the inspiration. I don't give modern DB credit just because the original series started the shounen tropes.

Exactly! I'm also seeing a lot of comments saying "well the original DB and DBZ animes suffered from bad animation, story telling and filler!" This is a poor excuss and bad argument.

Yes it did but this is a new modern Dragonball, shouldnt be expect something better and more improved? Just because DB and DBZ had flaws doesnt mean super has to suffer from them.

Super I'm afraid is a poor money grabing product.

PsionicWarrior · Post by **PsionicWarrior** » Mon May 16, 2016 9:04 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
PsionicWarrior wrote:Well, DBZ didn't suffer from sub-par animations, in fact it was the best back in the days.
Not the case at all. Dragon Ball Z was terribly inconsistent in terms of animation and art-style and Dragon Ball Kai horribly exposed that. DBZ was also far from being the best back in its day. I could name ten shows off of the top of my head that were better than DBZ in the same era in nearly every department.

I couldn't watch Kai, I prefer the original colors, voices and music. Probably you're right though, but still, for me it was the best at least, and even I re-watched all original DBZ a few years ago and it still kicks major ass.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sun May 22, 2016 5:22 am

Shinsa wrote:This is a new modern Dragonball, shouldn't we expect something better and more improved? Just because DB and DBZ had flaws doesn't mean super has to suffer from them.

No, it has Toriyama's name on it so that makes up for everything.

Shinsa wrote:Super I'm afraid is a poor money grabing product.

We're to the point where recolored designs is the norm so yes, at this point that's all it is.

I've defended Super a lot but this ? they're not even trying anymore.

At least now we know what to expect form Goku black.

Sonicjamareiz · Post by **Sonicjamareiz** » Sun May 22, 2016 5:54 am

sintzu wrote:
Shinsa wrote:This is a new modern Dragonball, shouldn't we expect something better and more improved? Just because DB and DBZ had flaws doesn't mean super has to suffer from them.
No, it has Toriyama's name on it so that makes up for everything.

Shinsa wrote:Super I'm afraid is a poor money grabing product.
We're to the point where recolored designs is the norm so yes, at this point that's all it is.

I've defended Super a lot but this ? they're not even trying anymore.

At least now we know what to expect form Goku black.

I see nothing wrong with this but okay

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:20 am

sintzu wrote:
We're to the point where recolored designs is the norm so yes, at this point that's all it is.
I've defended Super a lot but this ? they're not even trying anymore.
At least now we know what to expect form Goku black.

Its a filler episode, dude...

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:27 am

Sonicjamareiz wrote:I see nothing wrong with this but okay

Fanboys are OK with everything they get so I'm not surprised.

Kuririn Fan wrote:Its a filler episode, dude...

I don't care what it is, we've gotten enough recolors and rehashed designs so they don't need to keep making them.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:28 am

Its literally called COPY VEGETA, what did you expect?

YouTube · Post by **Ajay** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:30 am

sintzu wrote:
Sonicjamareiz wrote:I see nothing wrong with this but okay
Fanboys are OK with everything they get so I'm not surprised.

Kuririn Fan wrote:Its a filler episode, dude...
I don't care what it is, we've gotten enough recolors and rehashed designs so they don't need to keep making them.

Someone isn't a "fanboy" because they have a different opinion to you. Moreover, I'm wondering what exactly you were hoping for? Why does Vegeta with an M on his head get a pass, but purple goopy Vegeta doesn't? I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you about design, I'm just curious.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:41 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Its literally called COPY VEGETA, what did you expect?

Something more creative ?

Is Vegeta with purple paint thrown over him the best thing they could come up with ? Is that what Goku black is going to be ? a Goku with black paint over him ?

Ajay wrote:Why does Vegeta with an M on his head get a pass, but purple goopy Vegeta doesn't?

There was more than the M, his veins were sticking out and he had black lines under and around his eyes.

It was simple but effective in showing that he got a huge power boost and reverted back to his old self.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:54 am

sintzu wrote:
Ajay wrote:Why does Vegeta with an M on his head get a pass, but purple goopy Vegeta doesn't?
There was more than the M, his veins were sticking out and he had black lines under and around his eyes.

It was simple but effective in showing that he got a huge power boost and reverted back to his old self.

Yep, that made all the difference.
Also, Goku Black has nothing to do with this filler, this was obviously Toei's idea.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sun May 22, 2016 7:34 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Goku Black has nothing to do with this filler, this was obviously Toei's idea.

I know and hopefully Goku Black will be something creative and surprising but I'm going to keep my expectations low because there's a somewhat high chance it'll be disappointing.

In terms of this mini arc, Yamamuro said that Toriyama has the most authority over DB so at the very least he gave them the OK for this arc and maybe even had a hand in it like designing the characters.

Cetra · Post by **Cetra** » Sun May 22, 2016 7:38 am

We have no idea what to expect from Goku Black. What would Goku Black from this Planet have to do with Future Trunks?

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sun May 22, 2016 7:49 am

Cetra wrote:What would Goku Black from this Planet have to do with Future Trunks?

Red Ssj
Blue Ssj
Maybe White Ssj
Golden Freeza
Fat Beerus
Female Whis
Alternate universe Freeza
Mini adult Gohan
Purple Vegeta

With that track record, the chances of Goku Black being creative isn't very high and as you can see from the list, it's not just that planet's copy Vegeta that's making me think this way.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sun May 22, 2016 7:51 am

Uni 6 and 7 are twins, so they have a lot of things in common. Why do you hate Super all of a sudden?

Cetra · Post by **Cetra** » Sun May 22, 2016 7:56 am

sintzu wrote:
Cetra wrote:What would Goku Black from this Planet have to do with Future Trunks?
Red Ssj
Blue Ssj
Maybe White Ssj
Golden Freeza
Fat Beerus
Female Whis
Alternate universe Freeza
Mini adult Gohan
Purple Vegeta

With that track record, the chances of Goku Black being creative isn't very high and as you can see from the list, it's not just that planet's copy Vegeta that's making me think this way.

That does not answer my question though.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sun May 22, 2016 8:39 am

sintzu wrote:
Sonicjamareiz wrote:I see nothing wrong with this but okay
Fanboys are OK with everything they get so I'm not surprised.

I mean, you gave 90/100 rating to one of the worst arcs in the entire franchise, purely because you're a Vegeta fanboy.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sun May 22, 2016 10:00 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Uni 6 and 7 are twins, so they have a lot of things in common. Why do you hate Super all of a sudden?

I don't hate it, I just want it to stop being so lazy.

Kuririn Fan wrote:You gave 90/100 rating to one of the worst arcs in the entire franchise, purely because you're a Vegeta fanboy.

I gave my reasons to why I gave it that and the 9 was compared to Super's other 2 arcs, not the entire franchise.

I gave the tournament an 8 and the BOG arc a 7 so my rating for RF isn't that far ahead of them.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sun May 22, 2016 11:35 am

sintzu wrote:[
I gave my reasons to why I gave it that and the 9 was compared to Super's other 2 arcs, not the entire franchise.
I gave the tournament an 8 and the BOG arc a 7 so my rating for RF isn't that far ahead of them.

Yeah, you gave your reasons, you're a Vegeta fanboy.

TekTheNinja · Post by **TekTheNinja** » Sun May 22, 2016 10:51 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:Uni 6 and 7 are twins, so they have a lot of things in common. Why do you hate Super all of a sudden?

I dunno. Maybe he came to his senses and realized it's garbage.

Getting real sick of that, "Lel they're twin universes so that excuses lazy design and writing" excuse. Seriously, stop it.

Kuririn Fan wrote:
sintzu wrote:
Sonicjamareiz wrote:I see nothing wrong with this but okay
Fanboys are OK with everything they get so I'm not surprised.
I mean, you gave 90/100 rating to one of the worst arcs in the entire franchise, purely because you're a Vegeta fanboy.

90/100?! That can't be right! RAHHHHHG! *breaks scouter*

But seriously that arc was possibly the worst thing ever created under the Dragon Ball brand. Maybe even worse than DBZ kinect.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sun May 22, 2016 11:33 pm

TekTheNinja wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:Uni 6 and 7 are twins, so they have a lot of things in common. Why do you hate Super all of a sudden?
I dunno. Maybe he came to his senses and realized it's garbage.

Getting real sick of that, "Lel they're twin universes so that excuses lazy design and writing" excuse. Seriously, stop it.

It's not garbage, it's ok, nothing special.
It has nothing on DB & DBZ, but is better than GT.
Lazy or not, they're twin universes, that's how it works.

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