Super is not so bad like someone says

[Draconic]

How is it Goku and Vegeta clearing the entire Universe 6 team "utilizing characters well enough"?
Boo didn't even fight, Piccolo was wasted and Monaka is potentially the worst character in anything Dragon Ball related.

Jaco helped uncover Frost, Bulma created the Super Dragon Radar, Beerus and Champa are the reason the tournament is taking place, Whis trained Goku and Vegeta and is the main guy for exposition. You know characters don't mean just Piccolo and Buu, right? Even so, I think Piccolo was executed well enough: had a cool fight and served the main character (no excuses about Buu, I'll give you that). And Monaka is probably the guy stepping in the ring in the next episode, so let's just wait and see before calling him the worst character. Also, Super is not just the U6 arc. In the BoG arc Pilaf got his own episode, Buu started the conflict with Beerus, Oolong stalled Beerus with the rock-paper-scissors game and all the saiyans turned Goku into a Super Saiyan God. After that Satan had a whole episode dedicated to him, in the RoF arc Roshi, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo and Gohan held the ground till Goku and Vegeta arrived, Goten and Trunks took Piccolo to the Heavenly Realm and Jaco warned them of Freeza. Some parts were executed better than others, but for better or for worse they are there.

[namekiansaiyan]

How is it Goku and Vegeta clearing the entire Universe 6 team "utilizing characters well enough"?
Boo didn't even fight, Piccolo was wasted and Monaka is potentially the worst character in anything Dragon Ball related.

Jaco helped uncover Frost, Bulma created the Super Dragon Radar, Beerus and Champa are the reason the tournament is taking place, Whis trained Goku and Vegeta and is the main guy for exposition. You know characters don't mean just Piccolo and Buu, right? Even so, I think Piccolo was executed well enough: had a cool fight and served the main character (no excuses about Buu, I'll give you that). And Monaka is probably the guy stepping in the ring in the next episode, so let's just wait and see before calling him the worst character. Also, Super is not just the U6 arc. In the BoG arc Pilaf got his own episode, Buu started the conflict with Beerus, Oolong stalled Beerus with the rock-paper-scissors game and all the saiyans turned Goku into a Super Saiyan God. After that Satan had a whole episode dedicated to him, in the RoF arc Roshi, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo and Gohan held the ground till Goku and Vegeta arrived, Goten and Trunks took Piccolo to the Heavenly Realm and Jaco warned them of Freeza. Some parts were executed better than others, but for better or for worse they are there.

Compare the roles of characters in the past to now and you will see everything is geared just to make Vegeta and Goku do everything. Everything just seems forced to make them 2 standout whereas before it made sense. Jaco should have said Frost was cheating when he did it to Goku and not wait for him to do it a second time. Monaka will probably do nothing. When you think about Beerus and Champa are not really that relevant as all they did is create the tournament and that is all. If Jaco and the Galactic King are playing a bigger role than Piccolo who is in the tournament then there is something wrong. Once this arc ends I just expect to see Vegeta and Goku do non stop training without seeing anyone else until the next enemy shows up and thry slove the problem.

[Draconic]

How is it Goku and Vegeta clearing the entire Universe 6 team "utilizing characters well enough"?
Boo didn't even fight, Piccolo was wasted and Monaka is potentially the worst character in anything Dragon Ball related.

Jaco helped uncover Frost, Bulma created the Super Dragon Radar, Beerus and Champa are the reason the tournament is taking place, Whis trained Goku and Vegeta and is the main guy for exposition. You know characters don't mean just Piccolo and Buu, right? Even so, I think Piccolo was executed well enough: had a cool fight and served the main character (no excuses about Buu, I'll give you that). And Monaka is probably the guy stepping in the ring in the next episode, so let's just wait and see before calling him the worst character. Also, Super is not just the U6 arc. In the BoG arc Pilaf got his own episode, Buu started the conflict with Beerus, Oolong stalled Beerus with the rock-paper-scissors game and all the saiyans turned Goku into a Super Saiyan God. After that Satan had a whole episode dedicated to him, in the RoF arc Roshi, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo and Gohan held the ground till Goku and Vegeta arrived, Goten and Trunks took Piccolo to the Heavenly Realm and Jaco warned them of Freeza. Some parts were executed better than others, but for better or for worse they are there.

Compare the roles of characters in the past to now and you will see everything is geared just to make Vegeta and Goku do everything. Everything just seems forced to make them 2 standout whereas before it made sense. Jaco should have said Frost was cheating when he did it to Goku and not wait for him to do it a second time. Monaka will probably do nothing. When you think about Beerus and Champa are not really that relevant as all they did is create the tournament and that is all. If Jaco and the Galactic King are playing a bigger role than Piccolo who is in the tournament then there is something wrong. Once this arc ends I just expect to see Vegeta and Goku do non stop training without seeing anyone else until the next enemy shows up and thry slove the problem.

I'm not disagreeing with everything you've said, except one thing: everything was always geared such that Goku would come and save the day. Saiyan Saga: Saving time for Goku, Freeza Saga: buying time for Goku. The Buu Saga: everybody failing so that Goku comes back and saves the day. The Cell Saga: everybody trying to become more powerful because Goku is sick. Everything always revolved around Goku, no matter how much screen time other characters got. Now the arcs are no longer as time consuming as they used to be and therefore characters don't get as much screen time as they used to, but to say that they are useless is just not true. I mean, you may not like how these characters are used, or what characters are used in the detriment of others and I can't argue with that since it's your opinion and your experience with the show, but they are there and they are used.

[Lunatic Fringe]

I'll just say this, if the most prominent complaints about the show have to do with animation, they've got to be doing something right.

Also, as far as the "people wanted "x" and then when they get it, they complain sentiments, unless you can specifically pinpoint the shift in attitude from the hypocrisy you're labeling out, you're not doing much but propping up imaginary opponents to support your frustration and that's really not a good look. To expand further on that, even though I find the sarcastic labelings like "Goku show" to be a bit eye-roll inducing, it's not like they're not without some modicum of merit. Like it or not, slice of life and philosophy are not the show's bread and butter, fighting is. Although it's amusing to see Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, etc. interact on the sidelines, it only just goes to show just how much of a diverse cast is left to basically collect dust as the story and power gap progresses to new heights. I'll give Super the benefit of the doubt and wait things out since it's easy to say what Z "did better" in hindsight since that portion of the story is over but despite how much pessimism and "bitching for the sake of it" is looked down upon, appealing to an extreme opposite isn't much more of a respectable appeal.

[MCDaveG]

I would put it this way: BoG and RoF arcs are pure s**t in Super.
Universe 6 Tournament is starting to grow on me. But still, I can't escape the lack of effort in the art (simple and boring arena with no spectators in comparison to the promo manga) and animation department, but they are getting slightly better.

[TheMikado]

I'll just say this, if the most prominent complaints about the show have to do with animation, they've got to be doing something right.

I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or not but if some said
"If the worse part of that song is the music then they must be doing something right"
It would sound a bit strange
Just like saying bad animation doesn't matter in an animated series .
For the record I'm fine with Super on a technical level but others don't share my sentiment.

[Lunatic Fringe]

I'll just say this, if the most prominent complaints about the show have to do with animation, they've got to be doing something right.

I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or not but if some said
"If the worse part of that song is the music then they must be doing something right"
It would sound a bit strange
Just like saying bad animation doesn't matter in an animated series .
For the record I'm fine with Super on a technical level but others don't share my sentiment.

Not really. There's still the part about a story, the BGM, and the character development. There's more to an animated show than just the animation. Honestly, I'd think the consensus would rather have a show with creativity that fires on all cylinders and never skips a beat with subpar animation rather than a technical masterpiece that lacks any narrative that they find enjoyable or characters worth investing in.

[Hit!!]

The only ones beside Goku and Vegeta there are new characters. This WOULD be fine, but this show is doing a terrible job at getting us invested in most of them. That and old beloved characters being replace by new characters has always been a huge problem with Dragon Ball.

Dude are you serious??

We've only known Champa for a couple of months and he's already the favorite character of many people. Beerus and Whis are already highly beloved characters and also the favorite character of many people. Just because you're blinded by nostalgia and don't accept the new characters, doesn't mean that "people aren't invested in those characters". Anybody that has been watching Super, is really invested in Beerus, Whis, Champa and Vados. Jaco is also a beloved character for many, despite him being thrown in the series with no context whatsoever.

Right now Beerus is one of the main characters of the whole franchise, thats a FACT!! Champa and Vados are in their way of positioning themselves at the top and I'm almost sure they will play a very important role in the upcoming arcs.

[Hit!!]

BOG arc was OK, ROF arc is complete garbage, but this tournament arc is actually doing pretty good and its getting better and better with every episode.

[Bansho64]

BOG arc was OK, ROF arc is complete garbage, but this tournament arc is actually doing pretty good and its getting better and better with every episode.

I gotta say though, the ROF arc may not be as garbage as everyone makes. I agree that the animation for the most part was abysmal except for Tate's cuts but I see what they were going for with the characters. Piccolo's death actaully was kinda sad and you felt Gohan's turmoil from not being able to protect his loved ones. I think what they did with Ginyu was ok but it created some inconsistencies. It was nice to see Tagoma fight though. I'd give it a 1 out of 5 but it certainly isn't the zero people make it out to be. For the most part it was good ideas with bad execution. That's my opinion.

[Kuririn Fan]

I'm not disagreeing with everything you've said, except one thing: everything was always geared such that Goku would come and save the day. Saiyan Saga: Saving time for Goku, Freeza Saga: buying time for Goku. The Buu Saga: everybody failing so that Goku comes back and saves the day. The Cell Saga: everybody trying to become more powerful because Goku is sick. Everything always revolved around Goku, no matter how much screen time other characters got. Now the arcs are no longer as time consuming as they used to be and therefore characters don't get as much screen time as they used to, but to say that they are useless is just not true. I mean, you may not like how these characters are used, or what characters are used in the detriment of others and I can't argue with that since it's your opinion and your experience with the show, but they are there and they are used.

Saiyan arc was the best example of teamwork, it still had that original Dragon Ball feel of battle strategy over battle power
Freeza arc had Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn and later Piccolo, they were all helpful before and during the Freeza fight and Kuririns death helped Goku unlock Ssj
Cell arc had Vegeta assisting in main villains death and Gohan finishing the job
Boo arc had the heroes failing left and right untill Goku used Genki Dama with the the help of EVERYONE

[Bullza]

I gotta say though, the ROF arc may not be as garbage as everyone makes.

From what I saw on here most people seemed to enjoy the RoF arc during the first half, maybe even two thirds. It was afterwards once Goku and Frieza started fighting when people seemed to turn on it.

[Hit!!]

Base Goku vs Final Form Frieza was a disaster. The animation was cringe worthy. Some of the worst i've ever seen.

Also when Vegeta killed Tagoma, it looked like a Nintendo 64 game having a weird glitch.

[Ssgvegito30]

Best part of rof arc was the vegeta vs golden frieza fight this was the only thing that saved the arc from a plain 0 lol

[buutenks]

Bog movie i watched once or twice and never touched again. simply because the lack of action. I am glad they re did bog in super. Action was awesome, goku vs beerus was super awesome and the god transformation was epic and it felt god like, unlike in bog where it was meh. Each transformation had an impact for me anyways. ssj1, the weather changing, goku transforming, freeza's look on his face. ssj2, kid gohan, everyone basically crapped themselves when gohan went ssj2 and the moment when gohan one shotted the cell jrs, even cell was frozen for a moment.ssj3,goku shook the entire earth while transforming and his power was felt all the way to kaioshin's planet, which was insane.

ssg in bog movie, well nothing much lol, just some blue effect and done goku is red. But in bog arc, it was a transformation beyond ssj3 and you could see it.

Bog as a movie was way to short.

Rof arc, well i must say the animation was indeed sub par from episode 19 up to 26. Ofc lucky for me i dont pay much attention to it and was able to enjoy the arc. Gohan and piccolo not being in top of my favorite db characters means i didnt really care what happens to them in general, or how powerful or weak they are. Tho ssj gohan owning tagoma was pretty cool.
Also, just so you all kno my top favorite characters are either dead or their arcs are over.

Movie rof was awesome, enjoyed the action, and rof arc expanded on that, plus ep 27, pure awesome, it surpassed the movie, that episode.

And u6 arc, enjoying it allot, plus and i cant wait to see what else will be cooking hehe.

[TekTheNinja]

Jaco should have said Frost was cheating when he did it to Goku and not wait for him to do it a second time.

This is one of my biggest problems in the entirety of the Piccolo shenanigans. Why wouldn't Jaco just say that he was cheating after the first time? Why did he wait? To make sure? If so, that's really stupid. Why wouldn't he at least warn Piccolo? None of this is explained and it's really annoying.

Also... HOW IS IT EVEN CHEATING? That is a part of Frost's body, so it makes no sense for it to count as cheating.

Oh my god this show is SO STUPID!

Dude are you serious??

We've only known Champa for a couple of months and he's already the favorite character of many people. Beerus and Whis are already highly beloved characters and also the favorite character of many people. Just because you're blinded by nostalgia and don't accept the new characters, doesn't mean that "people aren't invested in those characters". Anybody that has been watching Super, is really invested in Beerus, Whis, Champa and Vados. Jaco is also a beloved character for many, despite him being thrown in the series with no context whatsoever.

Right now Beerus is one of the main characters of the whole franchise, thats a FACT!! Champa and Vados are in their way of positioning themselves at the top and I'm almost sure they will play a very important role in the upcoming arcs.

The godly characters are barely characters at least right now. They're more figureheads of power to make Goku and Vegeta motivated to get stronger. Monaka is now confirmed to be basically the same. Jaco is underutilized and utilized poorly when he is. Jaco is Bulma's punching bag who just happens to have good vision. Woo... He was much better in his own manga and in the Resurrection of Frieza movie. Same as the Pilaf gang were handled better in the movies.

[Kuririn Fan]

That needle and poison weren't part of Frost's body, it was clearly stated that there are signs of modification.

[TekTheNinja]

That needle and poison weren't part of Frost's body, it was clearly stated that there are signs of modification.

When? I need a source here, dang it. >:|

[Kuririn Fan]

That needle and poison weren't part of Frost's body, it was clearly stated that there are signs of modification.

When? I need a source here, dang it. >:|

Just rewatch episode 34, when the referee checks Frost.

[TekTheNinja]

That needle and poison weren't part of Frost's body, it was clearly stated that there are signs of modification.

When? I need a source here, dang it. >:|

Just rewatch episode 34, when the referee checks Frost.

The computer I'm currently on is incapable of playing it so I'll just take your word for it. My point still stands that Jaco not announcing this earlier was possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen.