ssj x10 multiplier?

[dragon boss z]

I just thought of a theory. We know that dragon ball characters increase their power in bursts when they strike. We also know kaioken works in a similar way. So what if kaioken x20 is taking into account Goku raising his power level as he is attacking, while since ssj is a transformation it doesn't work like that. It's a x10 increase plus Goku can increase his power when he strikes.

[theherodjl]

I just thought of a theory. We know that dragon ball characters increase their power in bursts when they strike. We also know kaioken works in a similar way. So what if kaioken x20 is taking into account Goku raising his power level as he is attacking, while since ssj is a transformation it doesn't work like that. It's a x10 increase plus Goku can increase his power when he strikes.

I personally would like to believe that SSJ is something along the lines of a 10x increase but unfortunately no, it has to be at least somewhere along the lines of the Kaio-ken x20 presuming that Freeza's power at least was cut in half by the Genki Dama.

[miguelnuva1]

The quote always read to me like Toriyama was saying 50x the Kaio-Ken x 10 or 20 was too much and Goku only got 10x then his Kaio-Ken self.

[CashmanX]

I guess I should point out for clarification that the 50x, 2x and 4x multipliers were reiterated in things as recent as the BOG home release booklet. I'm also pretty sure it shows up in those "info museums" in the Sparking and Raging Blast games.

[dragon boss z]

I guess I should point out for clarification that the 50x, 2x and 4x multipliers were reiterated in things as recent as the BOG home release booklet. I'm also pretty sure it shows up in those "info museums" in the Sparking and Raging Blast games.

I don't really have a problem with those multipliers. The only inconsistency I can find is that ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than his ssj1 form, however you could say his hidden power that he gets when he is angry made the transformation stronger than usual.

[miguelnuva1]

I guess I should point out for clarification that the 50x, 2x and 4x multipliers were reiterated in things as recent as the BOG home release booklet. I'm also pretty sure it shows up in those "info museums" in the Sparking and Raging Blast games.

I don't really have a problem with those multipliers. The only inconsistency I can find is that ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than his ssj1 form, however you could say his hidden power that he gets when he is angry made the transformation stronger than usual.

If you follow daiz 2 you can say ssj2 gohan plus rage is why he was stronger thwn his ssj1 self.

[dragon boss z]

I guess I should point out for clarification that the 50x, 2x and 4x multipliers were reiterated in things as recent as the BOG home release booklet. I'm also pretty sure it shows up in those "info museums" in the Sparking and Raging Blast games.

I don't really have a problem with those multipliers. The only inconsistency I can find is that ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than his ssj1 form, however you could say his hidden power that he gets when he is angry made the transformation stronger than usual.

If you follow daiz 2 you can say ssj2 gohan plus rage is why he was stronger thwn his ssj1 self.

Does it actually say that in the daizenshuu?

[miguelnuva1]

Does it actually say that in the daizenshuu?

It says Gohan didn't lose any power, only his ability to get stronger from rage.

[Borros]

The SSJ is a multiplier by 50 because already Gokû could multiply its power by 20 with Kaioken.

Freezer with 50 % of its power resists Kamehameha in Kaioken x20, thus is necessarily needed a multiplier by 40 to stand up to Freezer 100 %. Thus x50 of the SSJ is totally coherent.

On the other hand if the SSJ was one x10 then that would be not logical because Oozaru also multiplies the power of Saiyan by 10.

[miguelnuva1]

Ssj can be 10x if base gets a 5x permanent increase first.

[ekrolo2]

I always view it as 10 but its entirely possible that when Toriyama talked up "up until that point" he could've meant it being 10 times greater than Goku's KKX20 boost instead of it being 50 times greater.

[miguelnuva1]

I always view it as 10 but its entirely possible that when Toriyama talked up "up until that point" he could've meant it being 10 times greater than Goku's KKX20 boost instead of it being 50 times greater.

Thats what I always took it as.

[LightBing]

I think it's x30. Since times ten the Kaioken x20(up until that point) would make it x200 which contradicts the first part of his answer where he says x50, he considered too much. So what I think he meant is that it's increased by ten and not times ten.
There's always the risk he's misremembering stuff and he actually meant x10. Anyway, at least x50 he says it isn't.

[Desassina]

With DB Super around the corner, I'd rather consider symbolic quantities for the forms, if not to include the new fans. We were given "several tens" to describe SSJ2, so maybe SSJ is a 10, while SSJ2 is 10 to the power of 2 or 100.

SSJ1 - 10^1
SSJ2 - 10^2
SSJ3 - 10^3

The number that describes the form could represent the amount of times that its base power is multiplied by itself. If it's not 10, then we can change the base, and keep the logic. There's a scale based on exponents as well, which means that Beerus could be a 10 to Goku's 8 or 9 with Kaioken x10.

Whis - 10^15
Beerus - 10^10
KKx10 SSJB - 10^8
SSJB Goku - 10^7