Lord Beerus wrote:I don't really understand this whole idea that Videl is not the same as she used to be in Z. A lot of stuff can happen in your life which can change your attitude towards life and how you interact with people. Getting married and having a child drastically changes how anybody would approach life. Do you think it would be logical for Videl attitude or character to not change knowing she has a child to take of? The well being of child, especially for regular girl like Videl, should be the top priority for Videl so she would realistically would have to time to train or fight as much she would have when she was a teenager because she has more responsibility on her shoulders. Sacrifices have to be made when anybody has child if want take proper care of him/her, and I don't think a lot of people take that into consideration. They see how Videl was in Z and how she settled down in Super and think that her character is ruined when she's just naturally adjusted her attitude and priorities based on massive changes in her life. i.e getting married and having a child.
You're using real world implications. This is a cartoon; I just want an interesting character. Secondly, Videl has been this way since episode 1 of Super, before she had Pan or was even married, I believe. She just mysteriously changed into a different character. People can say she developed all they want, but for that to happen, we have to sort of see it on screen, which we didn't. In DBZ, we did see her become more affectionate towards Gohan, but that's one thing. Another is making her this generic, perfect girl. Her depiction in the the filler after the Buu saga and Wrath of the Dragon (Saiyawoman) is more what I expect. She lost her most endearing quality, which was how tough she was, yet not bat-shit insane like Chi Chi. There's no debating she's a completely different character. On top of that, a super generic one.
Lord Beerus wrote:Gohan is a similar case as his character's changed because, guess what, he got married and has a child and is still looking for greater opportunities to provide as much as he can for his family and I don't understand why Gohan is being getting flack for simply wanting to making he isn't living off of donations from donations from family and friends like Goku and Chi Chi are. Gohan won't always have the time to play Great Saiyaman because that's more of hobby than an actual commitment. When he has actual time to play superhero, he'll do it. And he actually did in an episode of Super, albeit briefly. And, no, Gohan never loved training with his father, hell he pretty much only ever trained once with Goku and that was in circumstances where he really had no choice. I mean, when Goku announced that he was going to coming back to life for one day to take part in WMAT in the Majin Boo arc, Gohan initially wasn't even going to take part in that tournament. It took Videl blackmailing him for that to happen. So Gohan has never willing shown a love for training or fighting with anyone.
Again, this isn't the real world. Look at Superman. He works as Clark Kent, saves the world, runs the Justice League, and can still have a love life. The truth is, Gohan can be all those things, as well as the character fans want him to be. All it takes is solid writing and a good story. We don't have that.
I will admit that it's never stated he liked to train though, so fine. I forget that was the movie portrayals that had him sneaking away from his studies many times. I like that though. Whether he likes to or doesn't, I think virtually everyone who's a fan of the series gets excited when they see him train and get strong, unless they flat out have always disliked the character. Thus, make him train!
Vegeta realising that everything he stood for was holding back in life was part of his character development in the Majin Boo arc. Vegeta stood for "Saiyan pride", and his epiphany in during the battle between SSJ3 Goku and Kid Boo he realised that clinging onto his old birthrates was why Goku was always one step ahead of him and learnt that letting go of his pride is the better thing to do. Hell, him throwing away his pride of Battle Of Gods exemplified this and shown how much Vegeta's character has grown. He doesn't stand by the traditions of Saiyan of anymore. he understands that there more to life than just standing by your pride.
I understand all of this. But...the dancing, cooking, maid stuff, pacifier scenes--none of this has to do with character development. Him doing them shows he's changed, but the actual acts are unnecessary. It's like the creators have this mentality, "well, he changed at the end of the Buu saga, so let's make him do the craziest shit fans wouldn't expect him to in DBZ." It's disrespectful to the character and just cringey. I literally stopped watching Super the minute I saw him in a pink apron, working as Beerus' maid. That was the last nail in the coffin for me (though I will give the Trunks arc a shot).
In DBZ, when Bulma gave him a pink shirt, he looked at it in disgust, but just went with the flow, cause F it. That was funny. In Super, he deliberately does this stuff. I don't care if it's to stall big bad Beerus. There are other ways to portray this without these awful gags that are a slap to the face.
kinisking wrote:And I hate when people talk that way about Vegeta's development. It's perfectly understandable. You could already see him becoming more goofy in the boo saga.
See above. How was he goofy in the Buu arc? He viciously murdered Pui Pui, killed hundreds of innocent people to get a rematch with Goku, committed suicide for Earth,
stood up to Kid Buu is the most badass fashion I have ever, etc. Are you referring to the filler with the worm? That was well executed and hilarious. Not at all goofy. Even in EoZ,
he was still his usual self, though tamed. Never did he do anything close to what he's done in recent DBZ content.
Zephyr wrote:I can understand if you don't like the direction Vegeta is headed, but to say that it's out of character just seems silly
Those gag scenes are out of character. Did you see him acting like that in GT? He also showed his development there...
