Let's talk about Trunks...

[Bullza]

What they did with Trunks in Super was...astonishing in the worst possible way. They literally gave him everyone's powers. Gohan's hidden power, Vegeta's techniques, Goku's spirit bomb, the mafuba, a ki blade, a new SSJ form that is stronger than SSJB, and so on. And yet... he did little to nothing to attain anything.

He didn't literally have everyone's power. He never had Gohan's hidden power. Why would he not be able to use techniques from other characters when it's been shown many many times that characters can use other characters techniques without effort? Tien has done the Kamehameha, Goku has done the Destructo Disk, Krillin has done the Solar Flare and yet it's a problem that Trunks does other characters techniques? He does the mafuba? So? Goku did as well, what of it?

The Super Saiyan form just put him on par with Super Saiyan Blue, you know, so that Trunks could actually continue fighting alongside them instead of sitting on the sidelines being utterly useless which people had criticized the series for doing with other characters? So they did the opposite and there's still something wrong with that too.

Gohan being the most powerful is plausible, given the fact that his hidden power was released in full. A power that always allowed him to close gaps between himself and anyone hundreds of times stronger than him.

I know it's plausible. It's not about that. It's about Mikado and his comment about the struggle to earn it. Where was this struggle when Gohan sat down bored for several hours while someone else essentially gave him power that far surpassed the actual struggle of the other characters? Where was the struggle when Goku and Vegeta put on a pair of earrings? Where was the struggle when Krillin far surpassed Nappa after Guru put his hand on Krillin's head for a few seconds?

Trunks never showcased any of this in the Cell saga. Otherwise, why didn't he beat Cell? Furthermore, he didn't just get mad and become stronger in the Black arc. He attained a new form that replaced SSJ3....because. Not only did it replace SSJ3, but it surpassed SSJG, which in turn made him stronger than Super Vegito and Buuhan. This form is a walking contradiction.

Why would he have beaten Cell? Since when did Trunks have hidden power? He was already stronger than Super Vegito and Buuhan upon his first appearance in the saga. He got mad and he powered up. In the exact same saga Goku got mad and so he powered up, Vegeta got mad and so he powered up, Black got mad and so he powered up.

Where's the contradiction with the form? No detailed explanation was given on what it took to obtain God Ki. It's not contradictory for Trunks to have possibly acquired God Ki through rage and his strength increasing when there's absolutely nothing to say that's not possible.

[szopman]

Even so, going straight from SSJ2 to around SSB level from one rage boost, come on it's ridiculous no matter how you look at it lol

He didn't exactly jumped from SSJ2 to SSB lvl from one rage boost. We know from the manga, that through years, he mastered SSJ2 to the SSJ3's lvl of power. It's similar situation to the SSJ1 and USSJ. Technically, USSJ were much moe powerful than SSJ1 (but had this disadvantages of course). But if someone mastered SSJ1 like Goku and Gohan did in ROSAT, the SSJ1 was more powerful than USSJ.
And Trunks did the same. He mastered his SSJ2, so he didn't have to use SSJ3 transformation (which also has many disadvantages, like USSJ, and I consider now this level as an extra SSJ-stadium, just like USSJ). We can even say that his mastered SSJ2 is superior to SSJ3, because it has the same power level but doesn't have this disadvantages. Goku had to transform, for a brief not-even-a-second, into SSJ God to beat Trunks so easily.
So in Trunks' case it's not just go straight from SSJ2 into SSJB, I'd rather say it's something more like jumping from SSJ3 power level to SSJ God power level. Because I don't believe that 'Super Trunks' is equal to SSJ Blue. It might be equal when the guys use SSJ Blue too many times in short period of time (as explained manga, that Vegeta SSJ Blue was about SSJGod power lvl during his fight with Hit, because he used Blue a moment earlier when he fought Cabba).

+ Trunks not only had the huge rage boost. He also trained with Vegeta (both in the manga and anime). He had some contact with SSJ Blue, before going "Super Trunks". And, in DB, the half-saiyans proofed many times that they had more hidden potential than the pure saiyans (Gohan, now also Trunks, Gotten who became SSJ1 at the age of 7 (!), Pan who can fly as 1 yr old baby etc.)

[PsionicWarrior]

Thanks for sharing such information which is not disclosed in the anime,I will for sure keep this in mind once the arc is over and that I get the time to rewatch it all to see if it makes things look a bit better lol

[Neon Z]

For me the turning point was when he managed to give SSJB Goku ample back up when they fought SSJR Black and Zamasu.
How? Just how?? This was the same Trunks who got his shit kicked in by base Black, did no training in the past (getting his ass kicked by Vegeta isn't training) came back and can now fight on par with SSJB Goku and take a SSJR Kamehameha along side him.
Some tried to explain it away as a rage boost. Again this doesn't make any sense. Trunks saw Black kill his mother and "kill" Mai if Trunks getting stronger by rage was an established thing it would've been shown during his fight with base Black.
Conclusion: Poor writing.

I think that point is one of the problems with the show having multiple script writers in rotation for a single arc, rather than getting someone who can expand Toriyama's outline into full episodes mostly by himself. A magazine at the time the episode came out, in the episode preview description, mentioned that Trunks in the SSJR/Zamasu battle was stronger than before due to his training in the past. After he returned to the future, we also saw him use Vegeta's techniques, something he didn't do in his early appearances, and there was even an eyecatch showing his practicing the Galick Gun alongside Vegeta. In the manga, we also get Trunks training with Vegeta for real, rather than only a single sparring session of a couple of minutes.

So, basically what seems to have happened here is that in Toriyama's outline Trunks did train with Vegeta and is supposed to have gotten a significant power boost from that, alongside techniques, but in the final episode script, we got that "training" that involved a single sparring session mostly to cheer him up, without any opportunity to increase his power or teach him new techniques. The issue here is that it seems all other writers pretty much ignored what was actually in the final episode and stuck with "Trunks trained with Vegeta and became stronger". Note that when King Ryo (the writer of that failed training episode) wrote Future Trunks fighting again - in episode 64, he had all characters talking like Zamasu by himself easily could crush Trunks, which doesn't line up with what was shown in the other episodes at all, but does line up with his own previous episodes.

The manga's reintroduction of Trunks with an improved SSJ2 already helps explain his growth too, although I wouldn't be surprised if that's just something Toyotaro did to make the later power levels make more sense, rather than from Toriyama's outline.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't really mind the absurd moments that lead up to Future Trunks killing Zamasu. I swallowed worst bullshit in the original story and still enjoyed it for what it was because the moment(s) that is produced were usually great. So really all of the unusual moments in the Future Trunks arc are no different. I don't follow Dragon Ball and feel tied down by the quality of its writing, because if that were the case, I would have quit the series once the Androids and Cell appeared. I watch and keep following Dragon Ball because it's a spectacle. It's a fireworks show. And Future Trunks arc was the greatest fireworks show Dragon Ball has ever produced, in my opinion.

Really? Come on bro, Trunks somehow learning the Mafuba very fast, then surging with power with that Broly type transformation, then pulling off a Genki-Dama sword attack all seemingly out of nowhere isn't a problem for you? Where did he learn the Genki-Dama? Only Goku and King Kai know the technique. It shows lazy writing my friend, because these mystical powerups aren't in the least bit explained.

The Mafuba situation is something that's being blown way out of proportion. That's a technique where it's fundamentally all down to having very good hand-eye coordination. Some naturally have it, and other don't. And with Future Trunks being a master sword user, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that he has such good hand-eye coordination.

The "Rage Boost" I have really have no problem with. It's been already well documented that Saiyan is broken. And they can literally create and powerful new form at the drop of a hat. Half breed like Future Trunks have been shown to have an immense amount of potential. And lest we forget that in the original story, Future Trunks was already a Super Saiyan by the time he was a teenager with just Gohan training him. Then when trained by the Supreme Kai of his timeline, he power swelled to the point where, he not only became a SSJ2, but became so powerful as a SSJ2 he could challenge SSJ3 post-ROF Goku. The indications of Future Trunks have an immense amount of hidden power was certainly there.

And as for the Genki Dama situation, I already made my point on that:

My theory is that the people cheering on Future Trunks did so with so much conviction they unwitting gave Future Trunks his energy. Remember, according Toriyama, Ki is composed of multiple components: Energy, Courage and Mind. Something that the remaining earthlings and Future Trunks shared immensely in the final battle. And my guess is that it unknowingly leaked out of everyone and then manifested into a massive Genki Dama-esque ball of energy that Future Trunks then absorbed.

We've seen weirder shit in this franchise.

[fadeddreams5]

He didn't literally have everyone's power. He never had Gohan's hidden power. Why would he not be able to use techniques from other characters when it's been shown many many times that characters can use other characters techniques without effort? Tien has done the Kamehameha, Goku has done the Destructo Disk, Krillin has done the Solar Flare and yet it's a problem that Trunks does other characters techniques? He does the mafuba? So? Goku did as well, what of it?

The Super Saiyan form just put him on par with Super Saiyan Blue, you know, so that Trunks could actually continue fighting alongside them instead of sitting on the sidelines being utterly useless which people had criticized the series for doing with other characters? So they did the opposite and there's still something wrong with that too.

When I refer to Trunks having Gohan's hidden powers, I'm actually referring to something that's become a staple in Super: any saiyan can attain the radical boosts Gohan did by getting mad. His hidden power was essentially retconned into a generic saiyan trait.

And I'm not questioning why Trunks has these abilities. I'm criticizing the writing for granting him all of this at once under a span of 20 episodes. And yes, this includes him being stronger than Vegito and Buuhan upon introduction, which, btw, I am SURE the writers did not intend, but rather, were careless in their writing. If we follow the context of the first few episodes, it's evident he's actually meant to be stronger than Dabura and slightly weaker than SSJ3 Goku (Buu saga). I digress, all of this essentially made him a "Gary Stu," as mentioned in the first post. Yes, in any shonen, characters are as strong as they need to be. But if the writing doesn't showcase their evolution or methods (simple or not) used to become as strong as they need to be, and writers have the mentality of "yeah, just go with it," it detracts from the story, cheapens the experience, and, for the lack of a better word, puts a bad taste in my mouth.

To be fair, as you mentioned, there is an explanation given: Trunks got mad. We also saw Vegeta doing this against Beerus. It goes hand in hand with Super's logic, but it contradicts DBZ, which is what irks me. This concept was ham-fisted, despite never previously being seen, so they don't have to brainstorm ways to make characters stronger.

And again, I have no issues with the form itself. I have problems with exactly the reasoning you mentioned. There was little care or attention paid as to how he obtained it. They just shoehorned that transformation in so he wouldn't be in the sidelines. This is lazy writing 101.

Where's the contradiction with the form? No detailed explanation was given on what it took to obtain God Ki. It's not contradictory for Trunks to have possibly acquired God Ki through rage and his strength increasing when there's absolutely nothing to say that's not possible.

And this sort of mentality is what makes this series bad for me. First, we have a ritual for god ki. Then, Vegeta shows you can train to attain it, even though he never managed to become a SSJ3, and barely became a SSJ2 after 7 years. Lastly, Trunks simply gets mad and attains god ki (or worse, he doesn't, but still fights on par with those that do), successfully skipping/replacing three SSJ forms. They're not following their own rules. "Oh, but we never said that was the ONLY way to get god ki. *troll face*" Wouldn't be surprised if Gohan enters the RoSAT alone and comes out a Super Saiyan Green...because.

[Bullza]

When I refer to Trunks having Gohan's hidden powers, I'm actually referring to something that's become a staple in Super: any saiyan can attain the radical boosts Gohan did by getting mad. His hidden power was essentially retconned into a generic saiyan trait.

But then that's not really an issue with Trunks if it's true for all the characters. It's also not as though it's that recent of a thing because it happened over 3 and a half years ago with Vegeta already. These rage boosts just suddenly appearing out of nowhere is kinda like the zenkai boosts appearing and then disappearing out of nowhere.

And I'm not questioning why Trunks has these abilities. I'm criticizing the writing for granting him all of this at once under a span of 20 episodes.

Well he's likely going to disappear again for good soon so it's not like they've got the time to slowly build him up like the others. Tien saw the Kamehameha and he did it on the first attempt saying that once you see it it's easy to pull off and we've seen that with other characters even with someone like Buu. If the Masenko and the Galick Gun's fall under the same category then I don't see an issue with him being able to do it. Yeah he learnt the mafuba very quickly but considering it didn't play that vital of a role in the end anyway then it's not too important to me.

There was little care or attention paid as to how he obtained it.

Well it's just like Goku obtaining Super Saiyan and Gohan obtaining Super Saiyan 2, he got angry and he got a new form out of it. To be honest, to me I still think it's just something to do with Ultra Super Saiyan 2 which he'd used earlier against Vegeta, that is very heavily implied. Rather than obtaining a completely new separate form it just looks as though he did something that allowed him to use that Ultra Super Saiyan 2 power without bulking up and losing speed.

So...

First, we have a ritual for god ki. Then, Vegeta shows you can train to attain it, even though he never managed to become a SSJ3, and barely became a SSJ2 after 7 years. Lastly, Trunks simply gets mad and attains god ki, successfully skipping/replacing three SSJ forms.

...this would be assuming that it actually did have anything to do with God Ki. It might not have anything to do with it. I don't recall anyone saying he'd obtained God Ki. He was a Super Saiyan without the blue hair after all. It might have obtained God Ki and he might not have whatsoever.

[Kishido]

he can god ki now for reasons unexplained like his form

[fadeddreams5]

Well it's just like Goku obtaining Super Saiyan and Gohan obtaining Super Saiyan 2, he got angry and he got a new form out of it. To be honest, to me I still think it's just something to do with Ultra Super Saiyan 2 which he'd used earlier against Vegeta, that is very heavily implied. Rather than obtaining a completely new separate form it just looks as though he did something that allowed him to use that Ultra Super Saiyan 2 power without bulking up and losing speed.

There was build up to both SSJ and "SSJ2" (SSJ2 wasn't really a thing until the Buu saga). Both were foreshadowed. The execution was brilliant. Rage has always been a pre-requisite to the SSJ form, but a certain level of power has also been required prior to attaining it. In the case of the latter, Gohan's hidden powers triggered it, which were always related to his particular anger and were unique to him.

Trunks' form came out of the blue (no pun intended). No rhyme or reason. I am sure during the android dilemma, he also became very angry, but that only allowed him to reach the SSJ state, which is accessible to all saiyans. Vegeta went berserk when Cell killed Trunks, but he did not become a bit stronger. I'm just hoping our savior Toyotaro works around this form.

this would be assuming that it actually did have anything to do with God Ki. It might not have anything to do with it. I don't recall anyone saying he'd obtained God Ki. He was a Super Saiyan without the blue hair after all. It might have obtained God Ki and he might not have whatsoever.

To be fair, nobody said anything about the form at all. That said, Trunks is able to sense Vegito's energy when he goes SSJB, but couldn't sense Vegeta's when he went SSJB. Leads me to believe he's attained god ki himself. But it could just be inconsistency again. *shrug*

[Bullza]

Yeah but except from being foreshadowed they're largely the same thing. On all three occasions they got incredibly angry and so came out with a new form that allowed them to put up a fight against the villain.

Sometimes it's nice to just be surprised, nobody was really expecting a new form so that was more like Goku coming out with Super Saiyan 3.

Going by what Whis said it would seem that characters need to be a certain level to be able to even sense Gods. Which may or may not refer to power level but if it did then Trunks powering up could be what put him at the level to be able to sense it. Though it's inconsistent anyway because Trunks was stronger than Base Goku and he could sense it so maybe it doesn't have anything to do with power levels, I dunno.

Part of the aura looks like God Ki but Super Saiyan Blue was supposed to be a combination of God Ki and Super Saiyan so why isn't Trunks a Super Saiyan Blue? So I don't know.

[omaro34]

I don't really mind the absurd moments that lead up to Future Trunks killing Zamasu. I swallowed worst bullshit in the original story and still enjoyed it for what it was because the moment(s) that is produced were usually great. So really all of the unusual moments in the Future Trunks arc are no different. I don't follow Dragon Ball and feel tied down by the quality of its writing, because if that were the case, I would have quit the series once the Androids and Cell appeared. I watch and keep following Dragon Ball because it's a spectacle. It's a fireworks show. And Future Trunks arc was the greatest fireworks show Dragon Ball has ever produced, in my opinion.

Really? Come on bro, Trunks somehow learning the Mafuba very fast, then surging with power with that Broly type transformation, then pulling off a Genki-Dama sword attack all seemingly out of nowhere isn't a problem for you? Where did he learn the Genki-Dama? Only Goku and King Kai know the technique. It shows lazy writing my friend, because these mystical powerups aren't in the least bit explained.

The Mafuba situation is something that's being blown way out of proportion. That's a technique where it's fundamentally all down to having very good hand-eye coordination. Some naturally have it, and other don't. And with Future Trunks being a master sword user, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that he has such good hand-eye coordination.

The "Rage Boost" I have really have no problem with. It's been already well documented that Saiyan is broken. And they can literally create and powerful new form at the drop of a hat. Half breed like Future Trunks have been shown to have an immense amount of potential. And lest we forget that in the original story, Future Trunks was already a Super Saiyan by the time he was a teenager with just Gohan training him. Then when trained by the Supreme Kai of his timeline, he power swelled to the point where, he not only became a SSJ2, but became so powerful as a SSJ2 he could challenge SSJ3 post-ROF Goku. The indications of Future Trunks have an immense amount of hidden power was certainly there.

And as for the Genki Dama situation, I already made my point on that:

My theory is that the people cheering on Future Trunks did so with so much conviction they unwitting gave Future Trunks his energy. Remember, according Toriyama, Ki is composed of multiple components: Energy, Courage and Mind. Something that the remaining earthlings and Future Trunks shared immensely in the final battle. And my guess is that it unknowingly leaked out of everyone and then manifested into a massive Genki Dama-esque ball of energy that Future Trunks then absorbed.

We've seen weirder shit in this franchise.

I appreciate the explanation. Thanks for clarifying your position. I respect your opinion.

[Kanassa]

I digress, all of this essentially made him a "Gary Stu," as mentioned in the first post.

Could you expand upon this? Because just getting bullshit power ups does not make a stu, it's more then just one factor!

[fadeddreams5]

I digress, all of this essentially made him a "Gary Stu," as mentioned in the first post.

Could you expand upon this? Because just getting bullshit power ups does not make a stu, it's more then just one factor!

I base that on this description I read: "A Mary Sue/Gary Stu is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities."

Trunks was shown use several other characters' skills and techniques on the fly. He was quickly able to catch up and surpass the main protagonists and antagonists with no training at all, despite the immense gap that initially existed. He's the only main character who's shown to be able to wield a badass sword. He's the most handsome male character, something shown as Present Mai drools over him. He has a self-righteous, no-nonsense attitude that even Present Trunks finds awesome. And yes, he ultimately saves the day through the biggest ass pull in the history of the franchise.

Trunks is perfect, at least by the 2nd half of this arc, when it was evident this character could not be killed and is good at everything, which is funny, considering he was one of the most purposely flawed characters in DBZ.

[Razorsaw]

He has a self-righteous, no-nonsense attitude that even Present Trunks finds awesome.

which is why present Trunks has to yell at him to make him get a clue, right.

[Kanassa]

I digress, all of this essentially made him a "Gary Stu," as mentioned in the first post.

Could you expand upon this? Because just getting bullshit power ups does not make a stu, it's more then just one factor!

I base that on this description I read: "A Mary Sue/Gary Stu is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities."

Trunks was shown use several other characters' skills and techniques on the fly.

Like most characters in this series? Like Goku, vegeta, Tein, krillin, Gohan?

He was quickly able to catch up and surpass the main protagonists and antagonists with no training at all, despite the immense gap that initially existed.

He had training before the Black Arc and during it, and he hasn't surpassed the protagonists nor the antagonists. Though hehas managed to lag behind closer then most.

He's the only main character who's shown to be able to wield a badass sword.

Actually, that makes him look worse considering everyone else is like 'Bitch, that's sooooo last century. We use Ki bades now.' Hell, it's almost a meme how his sword is always broken. And being able to wield a sword really doesn't add much to the sue argument, though Sues do tend to have a swors fetish now that I think about it...

He's the most handsome male character, something shown as Present Mai drools over him.

I'm not seeing the logic here. Present Mai drools over him, the show is saying he's the most handsome? That's just one person (Who the show seems to be pushing as destined to be with Trunks) being attracted to him. Eespecially when considering that at that point, everyone else is either married or not interested in romance.

He has a self-righteous, no-nonsense attitude that even Present Trunks finds awesome.

That's no where near a sue-ish trait. Uses usually cause other characters to become out of character around them just to make them look better with the Sue usually outputting a less likeable behaviour. Hell, Present Trunks makes the most sense to like Future Trunks.

And yes, he ultimately saves the day through the biggest ass pull in the history of the franchise.

Nah, the biggest ass pull is still his unexplained transformation (Actually, if you wanted a point towards the Sue argument, you could add that he needed to have a unique transformation that's SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME BRAH!). Though I don't consider his defeat of Zamasu to be an ass pull, it was amply set up for him over the arc with the theme of 'The Will of the Mortals' and 'Trunks always has to run to the past to solve his problems' along with the people of Earth actually being on the Z-Fighter's side this time.

Trunks is perfect, at least by the 2nd half of this arc, when it was evident this character could not be killed and is good at everything, which is funny, considering he was one of the most purposely flawed characters in DBZ

No, Turnks is no where near perfect. If he was, Vegetto wouldn't of been needed, the Spirit Sword wouldn't of been needed, Zamasu fall apart both mentally and physically wouldn't have been needed, the Mafuba would never had been considered. He's not good at everything, he spends most of this arc getting his ass kicked and his attempts to help constantly failing. And no, this character can't be killed, because do you really think Super will kill off a character like Trunks, Vegeta or Goku? Pfft, I love Super and it in no way has that much balls.

While it can definitely be argued that there was a lot of bullshit here, the key factor of a Sue is how the story treats them and how the character manage around them. Trunks is flawed, and this is an arc of his struggles, of him trying to rectify the fact that after he sliced Frieza he was kind of really useless and finally come into his role as his Future's protector. Something of which a sue usually never goes through, at most a sue will have the trouble of ''I'm so good, it hurts!" because the fabric of the narrative bends before their very feet..

[ChronoTwigger]

OPEN YOUR MINDS

This arc was all about Trunks since the beginning.
As TOEI couldn't spend 300 episodes to show you Trunks road to awesomeness, they get straight to points. And points are:

A) Trunks new form is a NEW FORM triggered by a condition no one else faced in Dragon ball: frustration. You loose your mother, the girl, the world. Call the best pal, and nothing. Your dad have a power you cannot reach. Use any weapon you got, and nothing. Kill zamasu in the past and nothing.The kid version of yourself nerf you, and nothing. Then you find the whole mess was your fault. FRUSTRATION (not rage) and it fit perfectly.
B) He get a SINGLE POWER aimed to kill Zamasu BUT NO HINTS he become "stronger" than anyone. Like me holding a gun doesn't make me stronger than anyone, only more dangerous for a target.
He developed the perfect antizamasu weapon, he didn't become any stronger toward no one. And again, after 20 episodes of frustration, it fit PERFECTLY and it's also a nice story (altough personally I don't like swordplay).
C) quick boost were needed to have Trunks face an enemy that Goku cannot wash away with a snooze. As they doesn't have 300 episode to show you an improvement in Goku style, they delivered a quick level up D&D style: the bigger the enemy, the more exp you got.

[fadeddreams5]

He has a self-righteous, no-nonsense attitude that even Present Trunks finds awesome.

which is why present Trunks has to yell at him to make him get a clue, right.

Shh.

Could you expand upon this? Because just getting bullshit power ups does not make a stu, it's more then just one factor!

I base that on this description I read: "A Mary Sue/Gary Stu is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities."

Trunks was shown use several other characters' skills and techniques on the fly.

Like most characters in this series? Like Goku, vegeta, Tein, krillin, Gohan?

He was quickly able to catch up and surpass the main protagonists and antagonists with no training at all, despite the immense gap that initially existed.

He had training before the Black Arc and during it, and he hasn't surpassed the protagonists nor the antagonists. Though hehas managed to lag behind closer then most.

He's the only main character who's shown to be able to wield a badass sword.

Actually, that makes him look worse considering everyone else is like 'Bitch, that's sooooo last century. We use Ki bades now.' Hell, it's almost a meme how his sword is always broken. And being able to wield a sword really doesn't add much to the sue argument, though Sues do tend to have a swors fetish now that I think about it...

He's the most handsome male character, something shown as Present Mai drools over him.

I'm not seeing the logic here. Present Mai drools over him, the show is saying he's the most handsome? That's just one person (Who the show seems to be pushing as destined to be with Trunks) being attracted to him. Eespecially when considering that at that point, everyone else is either married or not interested in romance.

He has a self-righteous, no-nonsense attitude that even Present Trunks finds awesome.

That's no where near a sue-ish trait. Uses usually cause other characters to become out of character around them just to make them look better with the Sue usually outputting a less likeable behaviour. Hell, Present Trunks makes the most sense to like Future Trunks.

And yes, he ultimately saves the day through the biggest ass pull in the history of the franchise.

Nah, the biggest ass pull is still his unexplained transformation (Actually, if you wanted a point towards the Sue argument, you could add that he needed to have a unique transformation that's SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME BRAH!). Though I don't consider his defeat of Zamasu to be an ass pull, it was amply set up for him over the arc with the theme of 'The Will of the Mortals' and 'Trunks always has to run to the past to solve his problems' along with the people of Earth actually being on the Z-Fighter's side this time.

Trunks is perfect, at least by the 2nd half of this arc, when it was evident this character could not be killed and is good at everything, which is funny, considering he was one of the most purposely flawed characters in DBZ

No, Turnks is no where near perfect. If he was, Vegetto wouldn't of been needed, the Spirit Sword wouldn't of been needed, Zamasu fall apart both mentally and physically wouldn't have been needed, the Mafuba would never had been considered. He's not good at everything, he spends most of this arc getting his ass kicked and his attempts to help constantly failing. And no, this character can't be killed, because do you really think Super will kill off a character like Trunks, Vegeta or Goku? Pfft, I love Super and it in no way has that much balls.

While it can definitely be argued that there was a lot of bullshit here, the key factor of a Sue is how the story treats them and how the character manage around them. Trunks is flawed, and this is an arc of his struggles, of him trying to rectify the fact that after he sliced Frieza he was kind of really useless and finally come into his role as his Future's protector. Something of which a sue usually never goes through, at most a sue will have the trouble of ''I'm so good, it hurts!" because the fabric of the narrative bends before their very feet..

Why does everyone dissect posts like that? It takes more time to write!

Vegito wasn't really needed at all. The spirit sword was Trunks' doing (he tapped into the ki of the humans through his resolve...somehow; they didn't just give him theirs, besides Goku and Vegeta). Trunk mastered the Mafuba is seconds...from a cellphone vid!

That said, I agree. lol. Fine, he's not a Gary Stu, but he was granted far too many gifts in this arc. There was so much bullshit with regards to that character, it was astonishing.

[Fionordequester]

You know what is really bad? Freeza getting stronger in 4 months and Sorbet almost killing Goku because he "was so careless".

You know what? That WAS really bad. I also thought THAT was complete nonsense. I also thought THAT was lazy writing. I didn't like that either!

[Kanassa]

Why does everyone dissect posts like that? It takes more time to write!

That's exactly why

Vegito wasn't really needed at all.

He was essential to weakening Zamasu to a state where he was confident that his last punch would finish the green melting bastard off.

The spirit sword was Trunks' doing (he tapped into the ki of the humans through his resolve...somehow; they didn't just give him theirs, besides Goku and Vegeta).

The Humans sub-consciously gave Trunks their Ki through their desire to help him, it's like how the Humans back in the Buu arc could give Ki when Satan asked them to without anyone telling them how. It's not that farfetch when taking what Beerus (The User, not the character) said about Ki a page back. And since the rest of his sword is made from KI, it makes perfect sense that the Ki of everyone else could be channelled into it.

Trunk mastered the Mafuba is seconds...from a cellphone vid!

Bot Goku anf Tien learned the Kahmehameha from just watching it. Vegeta learned Ki sensing just from being on Earth. The series has a precedent for people learning move pretty damn easily.

That said, I agree. lol. Fine, he's not a Gary Stu, but he was granted far too many gifts in this arc. There was so much bullshit with regards to that character, it was astonishing.

I don't agree, though really I only wanted to question the Gary Stu part because that term gets thrown around a lot with such small reasoning.

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Why does everyone dissect posts like that? It takes more time to write!

That's exactly why

Vegito wasn't really needed at all.

He was essential to weakening Zamasu to a state where he was confident that his last punch would finish the green melting bastard off.

The spirit sword was Trunks' doing (he tapped into the ki of the humans through his resolve...somehow; they didn't just give him theirs, besides Goku and Vegeta).

The Humans sub-consciously gave Trunks their Ki through their desire to help him, it's like how the Humans back in the Buu arc could give Ki when Satan asked them to without anyone telling them how. It's not that farfetch when taking what Beerus (The User, not the character) said about Ki a page back. And since the rest of his sword is made from KI, it makes perfect sense that the Ki of everyone else could be channelled into it.

Trunk mastered the Mafuba is seconds...from a cellphone vid!

Bot Goku anf Tien learned the Kahmehameha from just watching it. Vegeta learned Ki sensing just from being on Earth. The series has a precedent for people learning move pretty damn easily.

That said, I agree. lol. Fine, he's not a Gary Stu, but he was granted far too many gifts in this arc. There was so much bullshit with regards to that character, it was astonishing.

I don't agree, though really I only wanted to question the Gary Stu part because that term gets thrown around a lot with such small reasoning.

It is never stated or visually implied that Vegito managed to weaken Zamasu in any way. He was immediately able to OHKO Goku and Vegeta that second they defused.

The humans didn't give their energy to Trunks until his resolve triggered the strange event. Yajirobe even questions whether they've all become Trunks since they begin glowing like him. Likewise, in the Buu saga, the humans had to raise their hands for Goku to be able to collect their ki, but Goku is the one generating the bomb and allowing this to happen in the first place.