Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion

[perucho1990]

Define good shape.

Merged Zamasu took a Father-Son Garlic Gun, Goku's Kamehameha, Goku's Kaioken kick, got beatdown by SSB Vegetto who was was about to give him the final blow and SSI FT Trunks with the power of everyone beat him. When SSI FT Trunks appeared, Merged Zamasu was already worn down.

On top of that, after Goku's Kaioken kick Merged Zamasu started having a big mental breakdown. And Miki's flawless performance helped bring that to life in such a surprising way.

So yeah, Zamasu was already damaged both physically and psychologically. He was in good shape in the previous episode...

The main reason Trunks kept up with Merged Zamasu was because Zamasu became slow in his bulked form(Vegetto pointed it out).

MATA KISAMAAA TRUNKS was a better scene than "SON GOKU" tbh, Miki made the 2nd part of Episode 66 very memorable

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Both products are terrible for the most part. I dropped the manga after the U6 arc cause it was doing nothing for me. I don't like Toyotarou's panel work much. The Botamo fight was cool and way better than the anime though. The pacing is also not good and probably the biggest reason is that the anime went ahead and I had no reason to follow the side product anymore.

I still read summaries of the latest chapters sometimes if I have the time, but that's about it.

The anime is 80% trash and 20% fun. It is mediocre at best and absolutely dogshit at worst. But, it is the main product and I am able to get some enjoyment out of it.

[The gr]

Is beyond me that people say people the manga gets praised Everytime and the flaws get ignored, through that is not the case here,I never seen anyone like that, since chap 10 the manga has been criticized. And this thread proves that no one is giving the manga a free pass here.I'm seeing a bad fo future for this product by the time the next saga arrived,no one is not going to care about it.I just hope the next saga delivers and be good as the anime counterpart, that's​ all i want ,I mean toyotarou can't possibly screw a simple tournament.

[MisteryOne]

It was still bullshit it would've been okay if he and vegito worked together to take down merged zamasu instead of that asspull sword bs plus it doesnt make sense for trunks to get enough energy from a few humans and a worn down vegeta and goku to defeat a guy who was still in good shape.

Define good shape.

Merged Zamasu took a Father-Son Garlic Gun, Goku's Kamehameha, Goku's Kaioken kick, got beatdown by SSB Vegetto who was was about to give him the final blow and SSI FT Trunks with the power of everyone beat him. When SSI FT Trunks appeared, Merged Zamasu was already worn down.

On top of that, after Goku's Kaioken kick Merged Zamasu started having a big mental breakdown. And Miki's flawless performance helped bring that to life in such a surprising way.

So yeah, Zamasu was already damaged both physically and psychologically. He was in good shape in the previous episode...

It doesn't make sense for him to be weaker in the previous episode trough, not only because the melted arm was treated by a power up by himself (Light of justice, strike me! A god who can't defeat ningens is worthless!), but also because he was using a power stressed form. Not only that, in that previous episode, he was surpased by Blue Goku's Kame Hame Ha, so unless you think that attack was somehow stronger than Final Kame Hame Ha from Vegito, which didn't seem to have any effect at all (Look! This is a god!), it doesn't work.

[TheMikado]

Both products are terrible for the most part. I dropped the manga after the U6 arc cause it was doing nothing for me. I don't like Toyotarou's panel work much. The Botamo fight was cool and way better than the anime though. The pacing is also not good and probably the biggest reason is that the anime went ahead and I had no reason to follow the side product anymore.

I still read summaries of the latest chapters sometimes if I have the time, but that's about it.

The anime is 80% trash and 20% fun. It is mediocre at best and absolutely dogshit at worst. But, it is the main product and I am able to get some enjoyment out of it.

And this is the real and correct answer...
For me the manga is more tolerable but the fact is Super by and large, anime or manga is FAR from being quantified as "good"... it's part of why we have this problem in the first place. The care and passion of the previous works just isn't there. It feels like the Super story overall is thrown together to make a quick buck and it shows in all media that it touches.

[Doctor.]

Let's not kid ourselves. Dragon Ball stopped being a passion project halfway through. This isn't a new thing.

[Kanassa]

It was still bullshit it would've been okay if he and vegito worked together to take down merged zamasu instead of that asspull sword bs plus it doesnt make sense for trunks to get enough energy from a few humans and a worn down vegeta and goku to defeat a guy who was still in good shape.

Define good shape.

Merged Zamasu took a Father-Son Garlic Gun, Goku's Kamehameha, Goku's Kaioken kick, got beatdown by SSB Vegetto who was was about to give him the final blow and SSI FT Trunks with the power of everyone beat him. When SSI FT Trunks appeared, Merged Zamasu was already worn down.

On top of that, after Goku's Kaioken kick Merged Zamasu started having a big mental breakdown. And Miki's flawless performance helped bring that to life in such a surprising way.

So yeah, Zamasu was already damaged both physically and psychologically. He was in good shape in the previous episode...

Plus, when re-watching the fight, Trunks didn't really start beating Zamasu until Goku ad Vegeta gave him their power. Before that he was simply outrunning Zamasu with sword strikes, as well as Zamasu making sure he had time to gloat.

[perucho1990]

And this is the real and correct answer...
For me the manga is more tolerable but the fact is Super by and large, anime or manga is FAR from being quantified as "good"... it's part of why we have this problem in the first place. The care and passion of the previous works just isn't there. It feels like the Super story overall is thrown together to make a quick buck and it shows in all media that it touches.

The overall reception mainstream speaking has been positive since the Black Arc, and thats what matters, who cares if a few smarks(sorry for using this wrestling term) complain, what matters is the reception of the casual fans.

If they are making money, then that means they are making a good job?

If you dont make money, then u are not doing the job properly.

[TheMikado]

Let's not kid ourselves. Dragon Ball stopped being a passion project halfway through. This isn't a new thing.

But at least you could tell the author still loved and understood his works. Now it feels abandoned for the sake of making money. The artistic integrity feels like it's been sucked out of it ..

[Totamo]

I think what some people forget, though, is that just because something is closer to Toriyama's vision, it doesn't mean it's going to be good. Look at Minus and the reception it got from most of the fandom. People, including myself, prefer the TV special made by Toei over Toriyama's version.

Which led to episode of bardock which is worse than dragon Ball Minus. Bardock's character has brought far more harm to this franchise than good.

Some of toriyama's ideas are dumb and that's nothing new but most of the fan ideas are even dumber and Toyo is a perfect example of what would happen if this fanbase wrote this. Why do you think so many people praise it more than the anime?

People keep thinking that they are not considering the fans, the problem is they are, listening to the most vocal

[Zephyr]

Let's not kid ourselves. Dragon Ball stopped being a passion project halfway through. This isn't a new thing.

How and when was Dragon Ball ever a "passion project"?

[LightBing]

Something that has been repeated enough for me to be concerned is Trunks role in the manga. It's objectively wrong to say he has done nothing. He has done a lot, just because he didn't participate in the first bout against Black doesn't clear everything else he did before. I advise everybody to read the manga again, instead of spreading misinformation.

He's heavily featured in the first two chapters and gets two fights out of it. Then he gets his own flashback where we see him getting SSJ2 and killing Dabra and Babidi. Later he sacrifices himself just so that the Saiyans can escape and gets another fight out of it. The most important moment in the arc, yet.

Pretty tired of these myths, which ultimately developed because they are easy "catch-phrase" criticisms.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The care and passion of the previous works just isn't there. It feels like the Super story overall is thrown together to make a quick buck and it shows in all media that it touches.

I wouldn't say that. The people working on it are giving everything they've got. They're doing it despite the schedule being a mess. If you want to blame anyone blame the production committee for not providing the staff enough preproduction time.

But, yeah despite all their efforts it isn't working out cause it is fucked at the foundation which is again the fault of the producers and not the staff.

[Totamo]

Let's not kid ourselves. Dragon Ball stopped being a passion project halfway through. This isn't a new thing.

But at least you could tell the author still loved and understood his works. Now it feels abandoned for the sake of making money. The artistic integrity feels like it's been sucked out of it ..

I'm not so sure about that, the buu saga and the cell saga are considered by many to be the 2 worst put together sagas in the entire 42 volume for being plothole ridden and contrived beyond belief.

You once said toriyama was better with editors, the cell saga is such a mess because of that and why i always stand by the fact that dragon Ball sooner than it did.

Toyo's manga is a fanfic.

Toei's anime is a cashgrab.

This is modern dragon Ball. If you don't like this, you better leave now.

[perucho1990]

I wouldn't say that. The people working on it are giving everything they've got. They're doing it despite the schedule being a mess. If you want to blame anyone blame the production committee for not providing the staff enough preproduction time.

Shouldnt the blame go to Bandai?

[Doctor.]

Let's not kid ourselves. Dragon Ball stopped being a passion project halfway through. This isn't a new thing.

How and when was Dragon Ball ever a "passion project"?

At the beginning. When Toriyama wrote Dragon Ball because he wanted to, not because he was forced to or wanted money.

[TheMikado]

The care and passion of the previous works just isn't there. It feels like the Super story overall is thrown together to make a quick buck and it shows in all media that it touches.

I wouldn't say that. The people working on it are giving everything they've got. They're doing it despite the schedule being a mess. If you want to blame anyone blame the production committee for not providing the staff enough preproduction time.

100% believe preproduction screwed the entire series from the getgo but I still think that that in this situation some of these guys are just punching a clock and phoning it in. Not a discredit to them, but the writers may not have the proper past information and direction. Remember they are technically building the ship as they are sailing, waiting for Toriyamas outlines.

[perucho1990]

At the beginning. When Toriyama wrote Dragon Ball because he wanted to, not because he was forced to or wanted money.

But that happens to most mangaka.

Toriyama, Kubo, Kishi, Mashima, Togashi, Miura, Inoue,Watsuki.

The only mangakas that still care for their work while being in the final arc; Matsui, Sorachi, Araki

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Shouldnt the blame go to Bandai?

I don't know. Bandai definitely profits from marketing and stuff. Y'know toy sales and what not. But, there's no way to say for sure if they have a hand in the creative process. The committee members as far as I know are Fuji TV, Toei Animation and Yomiko Advertising, Inc.

[TheMikado]

Let's not kid ourselves. Dragon Ball stopped being a passion project halfway through. This isn't a new thing.

But at least you could tell the author still loved and understood his works. Now it feels abandoned for the sake of making money. The artistic integrity feels like it's been sucked out of it ..

I'm not so sure about that, the buu saga and the cell saga are considered by many to be the 2 worst put together sagas in the entire 42 volume for being plothole ridden and contrived beyond belief.

You once said toriyama was better with editors, the cell saga is such a mess because of that and why i always stand by the fact that dragon Ball sooner than it did.

Toyo's manga is a fanfic.

Toei's anime is a cashgrab.

This is modern dragon Ball. If you don't like this, you better leave now.

But it's pretty much been shown Toriyama is better with a dedicated editor... and many loved the Cell saga. Remember Gohan and Vegeta who only appears in "Z" is maybe the third most popular character of the entire franchise beatingbout characters who have been there for the entire run. The "Z" fan base eclipses the entire Dragonball base. But you're right it's modern Dragonball so everyone who doesn't like it should just quit it right now and quit watching the show and buying its merchandise.