Will people give up if humans/androids can withstand attacks from Gods/Super Saiyan Blue?

[Shinda Forever]

If ? Krillin will be fighting SsjB next episode so we're already there.

Well said. They really love the midget.

As for a potential Krillin (extreme) power up, the only reason I'm awaiting it is to finally cement the fact that he is the strongest of the Earthlings as Toriyama stated. If by some chance he turns out not to be and they make Tien stronger than him, fine, but a power up for any of the Earthlings is more than welcome in my book.

I agree the Earthlings need power ups.

[DainIronfoot]

I do not understand how 1 shot from the preview makes people think that Krillin will hurt Goku.

Goku using that form while training with him is a problem. Goku's Saiyan arc power would be enough to kill Krillin by looking at him yet here he's using something he'd normally use on the likes of Beerus ?

I've never cared about power levels and have always avoided their topics cause they were never that bad in the original but Super's writers have gone out of their way to show that not only do they not care about established power levels but also the logic that the story is built on.

Stop right there. You're already jumping to hasty conclusions about an episode that hasn't aired yet, merely by seeing a frame of SSB Goku and Kuririn. Wait for the episode mate. Oh and by the way, do you really think Saiyan arc Goku is stronger than Kuririn? Lol.

[sintzu]

Oh and by the way, do you really think Saiyan arc Goku is stronger than Kuririn? Lol.

I'm just using it as a way to show the difference between them. There's no reason for Goku to have to power up to that form. I really hope all it is is maybe Goku trying to get Vegeta's attention or something like that.

[Boo Machine]

Oh and by the way, do you really think Saiyan arc Goku is stronger than Kuririn? Lol.

I'm just using it as a way to show the difference between them. There's no reason for Goku to have to power up to that form. I really hope all it is is maybe Goku trying to get Vegeta's attention or something like that.

It could just be Goku wanting Krillin to hit him while he is full power to properly gauge what he can dish out against the bigger guys. At least that's my prediction. But of course as others have said, the episode hasn't even aired yet, so their could be a bunch of reasons and we can't know for sure until the day of.

[dragonballgeek]

I do not understand how 1 shot from the preview makes people think that Krillin will hurt Goku.

Goku using that form while training with him is a problem. Goku's Saiyan arc power would be enough to kill Krillin by looking at him yet here he's using something he'd normally use on the likes of Beerus ?

I've never cared about power levels and have always avoided their topics cause they were never that bad in the original but Super's writers have gone out of their way to show that not only do they not care about established power levels but also the logic that the story is built on.

Stop right there. You're already jumping to hasty conclusions about an episode that hasn't aired yet, merely by seeing a frame of SSB Goku and Kuririn. Wait for the episode mate. Oh and by the way, do you really think Saiyan arc Goku is stronger than Kuririn? Lol.

Well we waited for the episode, and it was as ridiculous as we assumed. What say you?

[sintzu]

Stop right there. You're already jumping to hasty conclusions about an episode that hasn't aired yet, merely by seeing a frame of SSB Goku and Kuririn. Wait for the episode mate. Oh and by the way, do you really think Saiyan arc Goku is stronger than Kuririn? Lol.

Well we waited for the episode, and it was as ridiculous as we assumed. What say you?

It was actually worse. He got in a few good hits on Gohan and held his own against a SsjB Goku for a few seconds.

[DainIronfoot]

Goku using that form while training with him is a problem. Goku's Saiyan arc power would be enough to kill Krillin by looking at him yet here he's using something he'd normally use on the likes of Beerus ?

I've never cared about power levels and have always avoided their topics cause they were never that bad in the original but Super's writers have gone out of their way to show that not only do they not care about established power levels but also the logic that the story is built on.

Stop right there. You're already jumping to hasty conclusions about an episode that hasn't aired yet, merely by seeing a frame of SSB Goku and Kuririn. Wait for the episode mate. Oh and by the way, do you really think Saiyan arc Goku is stronger than Kuririn? Lol.

Well we waited for the episode, and it was as ridiculous as we assumed. What say you?

What say I? Same as in the other thread oh and no it isn't as ridiculous as you assumed. You just don't like Kuririn and clearly aren't thinking more deeply:

"Goku held back and let Kuririn (LET KURIRIN) push his blast back to gauge the power. It was in no way meant to be interpretated as Kuririn>SSB. Goku then gave a little push back just to see how Kuririn would hold up. This literally was all testing and there are no inconsistencies on here. The argument 1% Goku >Kuririn holds no water because Goku held back to a point he knows Kuririn would handle. When he saw he could he gave a little kick. Kuririn of course wouldn't have been able to hold longer giving Goku an idea where he stands.

Also to those wondering why Goku went SSJB in the first place. A clearly acceptable reason could simply be that he wanted to see if Kuririn would panic or get nervous/slack. Remember in the image training, when ghost Kuririn saw his attack had no effect on Basil, he panicked and this is how he was viewed. (This is deep thinking as well, if you really want to not have it be simplified...)

Well he obviously didn't panic against Goku , furthering Goku's acceptance that he passes the test. Once again, no power scaling issues at all here. Gohan and Goku could still both blow Kuririn away, this just showed us that Kuririn won't be no push over for some of the other universe fighters. He's got tactics and definitely a renewed interest to fight, and fight well!"

Your hasty assumptions had Kuririn being a match for Blue which wasn't the case. Take note that Blue is a form of mastered Ki Control, there is no reason to think Goku couldn't have reduced the power of the blast to gauge Kuririn. If Goku said he was not going to hold back while in Blue and then preceded to full on attack Kuririn at full power yet Kuririn still put up a fight, then that would be valid criticism.

Your dislike for the character is the only reason you don't find anything good about it. You and two others specifically seem to be the only ones on the Ep 84 thread to nonstop complain, and for the most laughable of reasons.

Edit: @Sintzu

-Gohan was also holding back, obviously... and Kuririn didn't hurt him, he knocked him out of bounds per tournament rules with the X100 Solar Flare. Did you both watch the episode subbed...? It should of been more easier to see that nothing was so horrible about it.--

Nice try though lads. If you're still going to quit the show because of this, by all means, no one stopping you.

[pacz360]

Stop right there. You're already jumping to hasty conclusions about an episode that hasn't aired yet, merely by seeing a frame of SSB Goku and Kuririn. Wait for the episode mate. Oh and by the way, do you really think Saiyan arc Goku is stronger than Kuririn? Lol.

Well we waited for the episode, and it was as ridiculous as we assumed. What say you?

It was actually worse. He got in a few good hits on Gohan and held his own against a SsjB Goku for a few seconds.

Gtfo krillin didn't do shit to gohan at all he had to use solar flare x100 to get one good shot at him.
Also goku was straight up holding back so don't try that shit.

What say I? Same as in the other thread oh and no it isn't as ridiculous as you assumed. You just don't like Kuririn and clearly aren't thinking more deeply...

thank you it's obvious but this fanbase likes to forget and bitch about it like it never happened before

[Kaboom]

Gtfo krillin didn't do shit to gohan at all he had to use solar flare x100 to get one good shot at him.
Also goku was straight up holding back so don't try that shit.

There are much more respectful (and better-written) ways to express disagreement with someone than this.

[MajinMan]

The revolution has begun. The power scale is officially completely dead! It's the best thing to come out of the latest episode. Kuririn is useful in battle now.

[dragonballgeek]

Well we waited for the episode, and it was as ridiculous as we assumed. What say you?

It was actually worse. He got in a few good hits on Gohan and held his own against a SsjB Goku for a few seconds.

Gtfo krillin didn't do shit to gohan at all he had to use solar flare x100 to get one good shot at him.
Also goku was straight up holding back so don't try that shit.

What say I? Same as in the other thread oh and no it isn't as ridiculous as you assumed. You just don't like Kuririn and clearly aren't thinking more deeply...

thank you it's obvious but this fanbase likes to forget and bitch about it like it never happened before

Do you honesty believe Toei put that much thought into this episode? Really? Can you sit here and say that those people over there writing the show had this in mind? Absolutely not. I guarantee you they're complacent with their jobs and straight up going through the motions. It's like how everyone reacted to Kylo Ren losing to two inexperienced Jedi apprentices. They went on about "how he got shot earlier and was using the force to tend to his wounds." Or something along those lines. Justifying why it was okay for a prodigy like him to get worked on by noobs.

You may have valid points, but can you honestly say that that's what the writers wanted you to see? That Goku was really really trying hard to hold back? No. What they were attempting to do was to try and give us a gauge to where Krillin is at compared to Goku. Hoping that nobody will notice this super big power boost they're giving him/Roshi/Tien. They are being Lazy. And even though they are being lazy, you have people like you guys sitting around formulating reasons why this and that happened. There are better ways to make Krillin stronger without having to give him some magic fairy dust.

A simple assembly of most of the fighters under the direction of whis would've done wonders. Seeing as how whis can manipulate a little bit of time, there's no reason for him to not be able to mimic rooms similar to the hyperbolic time chamber. Training everyone in an area where time runs slower. Not even a full year. I would've settled for 6 months of strict training with Whis. That would've been fine with me! But Krillin buying weight sets and stuff to get stronger is absolutely LAZY. And you people are defending it.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

The revolution has begun. The power scale is officially completely dead! It's the best thing to come out of the latest episode. Kuririn is useful in battle now.

this comment funny and great.

[Black_Liger]

Honestly, I think completely forgetting about power levels and letting the humans be atleast on par with SSJ3 would do the franchise a lot of good... so many posibilities of using so many characters.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Honestly, I think completely forgetting about power levels and letting the humans be atleast on par with SSJ3 would do the franchise a lot of good... so many posibilities of using so many characters.

It would be the best decision the franchise has ever made and I agree with you.

[pacz360]

It was actually worse. He got in a few good hits on Gohan and held his own against a SsjB Goku for a few seconds.

Gtfo krillin didn't do shit to gohan at all he had to use solar flare x100 to get one good shot at him.
Also goku was straight up holding back so don't try that shit.

What say I? Same as in the other thread oh and no it isn't as ridiculous as you assumed. You just don't like Kuririn and clearly aren't thinking more deeply...

thank you it's obvious but this fanbase likes to forget and bitch about it like it never happened before

Do you honesty believe Toei put that much thought into this episode? Really? Can you sit here and say that those people over there writing the show had this in mind? Absolutely not. I guarantee you they're complacent with their jobs and straight up going through the motions. It's like how everyone reacted to Kylo Ren losing to two inexperienced Jedi apprentices. They went on about "how he got shot earlier and was using the force to tend to his wounds." Or something along those lines. Justifying why it was okay for a prodigy like him to get worked on by noobs.

You may have valid points, but can you honestly say that that's what the writers wanted you to see? That Goku was really really trying hard to hold back? No. What they were attempting to do was to try and give us a gauge to where Krillin is at compared to Goku. Hoping that nobody will notice this super big power boost they're giving him/Roshi/Tien. They are being Lazy. And even though they are being lazy, you have people like you guys sitting around formulating reasons why this and that happened. There are better ways to make Krillin stronger without having to give him some magic fairy dust.

A simple assembly of most of the fighters under the direction of whis would've done wonders. Seeing as how whis can manipulate a little bit of time, there's no reason for him to not be able to mimic rooms similar to the hyperbolic time chamber. Training everyone in an area where time runs slower. Not even a full year. I would've settled for 6 months of strict training with Whis. That would've been fine with me! But Krillin buying weight sets and stuff to get stronger is absolutely LAZY. And you people are defending it.

Krillin wasn't stronger than either goku nor gohan here in this Episode gohan was holding back in there fight and toss krillin ass to the cliff as if he owed him money.
Krillin was trying to ring out goku in there fight which is the point of this tournament.
Goku was straight up holding back in there fight it's fucking obvious here hell krillin had to shit himself to even make it budge and 18 had to save his ass.
I'm not going to pretend toei wasn't sloppy in this execution but trying to act like krillin was pressuring him is bullshit and you know it.
Not to mention where everybody in this forum crying seemed to forget about is that GOKU WAS HOLDING BACK!
seriously I advise you to drop this shit if its going to make you overreact about it.

[dragonballgeek]

Gtfo krillin didn't do shit to gohan at all he had to use solar flare x100 to get one good shot at him.
Also goku was straight up holding back so don't try that shit.


thank you it's obvious but this fanbase likes to forget and bitch about it like it never happened before

Do you honesty believe Toei put that much thought into this episode? Really? Can you sit here and say that those people over there writing the show had this in mind? Absolutely not. I guarantee you they're complacent with their jobs and straight up going through the motions. It's like how everyone reacted to Kylo Ren losing to two inexperienced Jedi apprentices. They went on about "how he got shot earlier and was using the force to tend to his wounds." Or something along those lines. Justifying why it was okay for a prodigy like him to get worked on by noobs.

You may have valid points, but can you honestly say that that's what the writers wanted you to see? That Goku was really really trying hard to hold back? No. What they were attempting to do was to try and give us a gauge to where Krillin is at compared to Goku. Hoping that nobody will notice this super big power boost they're giving him/Roshi/Tien. They are being Lazy. And even though they are being lazy, you have people like you guys sitting around formulating reasons why this and that happened. There are better ways to make Krillin stronger without having to give him some magic fairy dust.

A simple assembly of most of the fighters under the direction of whis would've done wonders. Seeing as how whis can manipulate a little bit of time, there's no reason for him to not be able to mimic rooms similar to the hyperbolic time chamber. Training everyone in an area where time runs slower. Not even a full year. I would've settled for 6 months of strict training with Whis. That would've been fine with me! But Krillin buying weight sets and stuff to get stronger is absolutely LAZY. And you people are defending it.

Krillin wasn't stronger than either goku nor gohan here in this Episode gohan was holding back in there fight and toss krillin ass to the cliff as if he owed him money.
Krillin was trying to ring out goku in there fight which is the point of this tournament.
Goku was straight up holding back in there fight it's fucking obvious here hell krillin had to shit himself to even make it budge and 18 had to save his ass.
I'm not going to pretend toei wasn't sloppy in this execution but trying to act like krillin was pressuring him is bullshit and you know it.
Not to mention where everybody in this forum crying seemed to forget about is that GOKU WAS HOLDING BACK!
seriously I advise you to drop this shit if its going to make you overreact about it.

I'm overreacting? You're the one who's consistently using profanity and being a drama queen. I am merely complaining about the lack of consistency and logic behind these boosts of power.

[sintzu]

Goku was straight up holding back so don't try that shit.

Holding back by going SsjB ?

Did you both watch the episode subbed...?

Why bother ? I know everything that's needed to know about it.

If you're still going to quit the show because of this, by all means, no one stopping you.

Why would we stop watching something that's free ?

[Saiyan007]

Holding back by going SsjB ?

He only did that because he wants to see what Krillin would do against someone who is massively stronger than him.He quite literally says after he turns into a God "Krillin what will you do now?"Krillin is quite literally shaking in fear due to God ki giving off an immense amount of pressure.He wants to see how Krillin would do under these circumstances and this is also great training for Goku because their is a no killing rule so it helps him practice against people far below himself.

Notihng was wrong with the episode scaling wise

[Saturnine]

Roshi is not weaker than King Piccolo dammit, stop acting as if he never improved. He was able to handle Freeza's mooks in the RoF arc.

[TheMikado]

Honestly, I think completely forgetting about power levels and letting the humans be atleast on par with SSJ3 would do the franchise a lot of good... so many posibilities of using so many characters.

That makes 0 sense, if SSJ3 is that weak why would Goku ever need to to SSJ again?