Best DBZ movie villian

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:01 pm

Perfect Weapon wrote:
Majin Buu wrote:
Too bad Goku is the true Legendary Super Saiyan.

As far as I'm aware, Brolli is still the "Legendary Super Saiya-jin". The fact that Goku is one as well changes nothing. =/

The Legendary Super Saiyan is supposed to be undefeatable. Broly was defeated three times.

jwimz · Post by **jwimz** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:02 pm

Majin Buu wrote: Finally, does no one else like Dr. Whello?

He wasn't that good of an enemy, however I like his movie probably the best out of all 13 movies.

Perfect Weapon · Post by **Perfect Weapon** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:05 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Perfect Weapon wrote:
Majin Buu wrote:
Too bad Goku is the true Legendary Super Saiyan.

As far as I'm aware, Brolli is still the "Legendary Super Saiya-jin". The fact that Goku is one as well changes nothing. =/
The Legendary Super Saiyan is supposed to be undefeatable. Broly was defeated three times.

Goku gives in to Cell.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:11 pm

Perfect Cell would kick the crap out of Brolli. I don't even know why there's any argument about that. And I don't hate Brolli because he's weak (even though compared to Bojack he is). I hate him because he's just a big dumb stupid oaf.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:13 pm

Goten and Trunks.

I said good reason. Try harder.

Goku and Gohan were Super Saiyan for the entire 10 days before the Cell games.

We didn't see all ten days. Its obvious from looking at Gohan and Trunks, that is when the movie takes place. Whether or not it is in continuity is Irrelevant.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:15 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Give one GOOD reason Movie 11 is a bad. I've yet to see one decent reason he movie is bad.

I just said it. It destroys what credibily Brolly's character had left from movie 10. Why bring back Brolly as a mud monster? Plus the entire movie seemed like a dull outing (thank God 12 and 13 came along).

You tell me when the movie would have taken place.

Like I said, doesnt' take place in the series. It just uses elements from the saga in progress, which in this case was the Cell saga.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:57 pm

just said it. It destroys what credibily Brolly's character had left from movie 10. Why bring back Brolly as a mud monster? Plus the entire movie seemed like a dull outing (thank God 12 and 13 came along).

Brolli was already dead. This was an imperfect clone of Brolli. Movie 11 is great. One of the best Dragonball movies period. Its a fun romp that doesn't take it self too seriously, while giving he second string the spot light.

Like I said, doesnt' take place in the series. It just uses elements from the saga in progress, which in this case was the Cell saga.

So the characters in the movie were just as powerful as the ones during the Cell Games. Thank you for proving my point.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:06 pm

Perfect Weapon wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Perfect Weapon wrote: As far as I'm aware, Brolli is still the "Legendary Super Saiya-jin". The fact that Goku is one as well changes nothing. =/
The Legendary Super Saiyan is supposed to be undefeatable. Broly was defeated three times.
Goku gives in to Cell.

Ok, so? That just means there is no 'Legendary' Super Saiyan.

I said good reason. Try harder.

Ok. Goten and Trunks in starring roles.

We didn't see all ten days. Its obvious from looking at Gohan and Trunks, that is when the movie takes place. Whether or not it is in continuity is Irrelevant.

Looking at Gohan, the movie takes place while Goku and Gohan were training in the Time Chamber.

Also, Gohan is weaker than Goku in the movie. Gohan was stronger than Goku after they exited the Chamber.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:11 pm

Ok. Goten and Trunks in starring roles.

Thats not a negative, it was a nice change of pace.

Looking at Gohan, the movie takes place while Goku and Gohan were training in the Time Chamber.

Also, Gohan is weaker than Goku in the movie. Gohan was stronger than Goku after they exited the Chamber

Gohan looked as he did when he exited the chamber. Gohan was more powerful than Goku after exiting the chamber, but the power was still sub merged. Cell had to go to drastic measures to get Gohan to unleash his true power. Gohan's base power was still weaker than Goku's.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:37 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Gohan look as he did when he exited the chamber.

Gohan was a FPSSJ when he exited the Chamber. He was not one in the movie.

Gohan was more powerful than Goku after exiting the chamber, but the power was still sub merged. Cell had to go to drastic measures to get Gohan to unleash his true power. Gohan's base power was still weaker than Goku's.

Super Saiyan 1 Gohan was stronger than Super Saiyan 1 Goku at the Cell Games.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:42 pm

Really who else was aware of this but Goku? Gohan was trashed by Cell for much of the fight. It wasn't til Cell went and did everything he could to anger Gohan that his true power emerged.

Gohan was a Super Saiyan in the Brolli movie. I have no idea what you are talking about.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:57 pm

Gohan was a SSJ, but not a Full-Power SSJ. For more information, look here: http://www.daizex.com/guides/transforma ... ndex.shtml .

The fact that Gohan was not a FPSSJ proves that the timeframe is meant to be when Goku and Gohan are in the room of spirit and time.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:10 pm

Debatably, this is not even an actual transformation; it's simply an advancement of an earlier form. However, as the user takes his previous form and does something "new" with it, we'll catalogue it for completeness' sake.

That says it for me. Its not an actual transformation.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:54 pm

I'm not saying it's a transformation. I'm saying if it took place when you say it did, Gohan and Goku would be in their SSJ state at all times. In movie 8, they weren't.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:40 pm

Thats pretty weak. By the time Gohan had gotten to he end of the day in he chamber they were already doing the super saiyan all the time thing.

You can only judge them by their base designs and they look as they did in the nine day period before the Cell games.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:47 pm

Nope. Going by their designs it's after Gohan gets his hair cut but before he's SSJ all day, every day. In both the comic and the cartoon, they stay in that state at all times. Movie 8 clearly takes place before they emerged from the room of spirit and time (power-wise and design-wise).

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:49 pm

Majin Buu wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:Give one GOOD reason Movie 11 is a bad. I've yet to see one decent reason he movie is bad.
I just said it. It destroys what credibily Brolly's character had left from movie 10. Why bring back Brolly as a mud monster? Plus the entire movie seemed like a dull outing (thank God 12 and 13 came along).

You tell me when the movie would have taken place.
Like I said, doesnt' take place in the series. It just uses elements from the saga in progress, which in this case was the Cell saga.

What credibility did Broli have in the first place?Seriously, anybody could make a villian like Broli up. He is so two-dimensional (barely). I don't really like the Broli franchise but movie 11 was easily the most unique of the three. The formula of the first two was get beat up for 40 minutes and then Goku gets bored and wins. Movie 11 is dumb but at least it wasn't like the first two. Now that I think about it, Movie 11 makes the last two way better than what they already are. Think about it:

Movie11-Cloning. Continuation of the actual story in a creative way. Goku is not the hero for once. Minor characters get more spotlight. Broli dies FINALLY!
Movie12- Evil being that Goku tries fighting and fails. Villian transforms.Vegeta comes and fails. They fuse and win.
Movie13- Heroes are dooped. Heroes fight and get beat. Villian transforms. Goku gets tired of it and wins.

Many of the movies repeat itself. So for all of the Lord Slug haters, keep in mind that almost everything in DragonBall, if not anime, is just recycled.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:44 pm

Ehhh, I didn't like many of the movies past the first three because it just didn't seem like they cared anymore and they didn't even try to create mildly original villains since everyone was just gonna show up to watch anyway....

That being said my favorite movie villain was probably Dr. Wheelo or whatever his name was. I mean, it's not everyday that the Z fighters take on a giant monster brain robot right? He wasn't just another blatant copy of a villain from the tv show and he actually had a motive that went beyond 'Gokuh I'm gonna beat the hell outta you.' And the fact that they were fighting a giant robot made the battle more interesting than the usual one on one punches and kicks. Very movie worthy if you ask me, I don't like to watch one that can't offer me anything outside what I've seen in the show.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:29 pm

Movie 12 gets points for two things.

1. Hitler.

2. Goku's scream as he goes SSJ3.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:48 pm

Movie 12 is really fun. Best part was Gohan blowing Frieza up with a punch, then seeing an army of villians running.

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