Is It Time For A Redub? Dragon Ball (OG)

[WittyUsername]

Was there maybe a rights issue that precluded them from keeping the insert songs?

I always assumed that was the case. If I recall, the English dub of Z with the Japanese score also left out the insert song that played when Gohan became a SSJ2.

[KBABZ]

I don't know how accurate this is but I read that Funimation wasn't going to re-dub Kai and instead they were just going to copy and paste their Z dub onto Kai.

Not true, at least according to Mr. Sabat. He's said in multiple places that they took Kai as the opportunity to redo the script to be more authentic than their old in-house dub.

Was there maybe a rights issue that precluded them from keeping the insert songs?

The two insert songs that are there are With a Burning Heart Defeat the Red Ribbon Army and The Blue Travelers. The former was done by Wonderland Gang, whose other insert song, Mystery Wonderland, was not featured in the Nam filler episode. The same is true with The Blue Travelers by Hiroki Takahashi; his other insert songs, Aim to be the Greatest on Earth and The Dragon Ball Legend, were also not included. My postulation is that FUNimation didn't see the need to spend more money than for just those two songs.

[linkdude20002001]

I recall reading on this forum long ago that Funimation did intend to just cut their DBZ dialog up to match Kai, but Vale (that's the voice of Future Trunks, rite?) insisted it was a once-in-a-life-time chance to make some-thing DB related that's actually accurate to the original and high-quality.

[OmegaRockman]

I recall reading on this forum long ago that Funimation did intend to just cut their DBZ dialog up to match Kai, but Vale (that's the voice of Future Trunks, rite?) insisted it was a once-in-a-life-time chance to make some-thing DB related that's actually accurate to the original and high-quality.

The rumor I heard was that Sabat and Cook both pushed for the new dub. We should keep in mind here that the operative word is RUMOR; for all we know, none of this behind the scenes stuff ever happened. I can't believe I didn't think to ask Sabat himself when he was in town for a con a couple months back.

[Blondiebear_17]

I recall reading on this forum long ago that Funimation did intend to just cut their DBZ dialog up to match Kai, but Vale (that's the voice of Future Trunks, rite?) insisted it was a once-in-a-life-time chance to make some-thing DB related that's actually accurate to the original and high-quality.

The rumor I heard was that Sabat and Cook both pushed for the new dub. We should keep in mind here that the operative word is RUMOR; for all we know, none of this behind the scenes stuff ever happened. I can't believe I didn't think to ask Sabat himself when he was in town for a con a couple months back.

Eric Vale doesn't strike me as somebody who really cares that much about the franchise so much as he does getting work. I definitely believe Justin Cooke and Sabat would be more invested in it. Justin Cook was a fan before he even got involved with Funimation.

[linkdude20002001]

It might've been Cook/Cooke. I don't know what he does in the series, but it was a name I was less familiar with for sure. Of course, I don't know where/what the source for this info was... Or if it's even true. :/

[8000 Saiyan]

It might've been Cook/Cooke. I don't know what he does in the series, but it was a name I was less familiar with for sure. Of course, I don't know where/what the source for this info was... Or if it's even true. :/

He actually directed the Dragon Ball dub.

[MasenkoHA]

Bringing this back

Honestly I want to say yes. The 2000’s dub only did 2 things correctly : 1Their adaptation of Mystical Adventure and I’ll Give you Romance (both of which I honestly adore more than their Japanese counterparts) 2. Keeping the original Japanese music intact instead of letting Falcouner Production record their cell phones going off in the washing machine and calling it “music”

The actual dub is a mess with censored dialog despite being uncut, horrible voices (Vollmer makes me want to tear my ears off) and stupid mistakes (Remember you promised to marry me Goku? Flashback to where I ask if you’ll think about me and don’t even bring up marriage)

So a redub that keeps what the show did right but has the
correct dialog and Monica Rial as Bulma? Yes please.

However a big HOWEVER

We all know they’ll use Colleen Clinkenbeard as Goku and her Goku is terrible and ill-fitting. I’ll defend her Gohan which isn’t great or very good in terms of acting but much much better than Stephanie and at least fits. But her kid Goku is just awful and ear splitting.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

We all know they’ll use Colleen Clinkenbeard as Goku and her Goku is terrible and ill-fitting. I’ll defend her Gohan which isn’t great or very good in terms of acting but much much better than Stephanie and at least fits. But her kid Goku is just awful and ear splitting.

I think it would be interesting if Schemmel got a shot at kid Goku. It would make Bora and Oopa recognizing Goku by his voice during the Buu saga more believable.

I do think anyone who meets Sabat should say, or even tweet to suggest Funi consider a redub whenever they licence the new remasters. As we are unsure yet if TOEI will remaster the series the movies would be good for Funi to test the waters and see how that would do, and most of the movies could do with redubs.

[MasenkoHA]

We all know they’ll use Colleen Clinkenbeard as Goku and her Goku is terrible and ill-fitting. I’ll defend her Gohan which isn’t great or very good in terms of acting but much much better than Stephanie and at least fits. But her kid Goku is just awful and ear splitting.

I think it would be interesting if Schemmel got a shot at kid Goku. I.

Oh god no.

[Big Boss]

If this happens then kid Goku needs a complete recast, no Clinkenbeard or Nadolny. Even though Nadolny had the right energy for Goku, her voice was a bit too raspy for me (not as bad as 5 year old Gohan, which still makes me cringe), whereas Clinkenbeard was just miscast entirely. I don't think she has the right inflection or energy to carry the whole show. She's a great actress, her Luffy is great, but the role of Goku just isn't for her.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

I rewatched the original series dubbed a year or two ago, and I would say with the exception of a few minor characters, it's still a fairly solid dub. I know it seems divisive, but I think Stephanie does a good job as child goku. She brings childish wonder to the character which I like. Unlike DBZ where it needed a redub (More of the Freeza saga that needed it), DB really doesn't need a redub. It's fine the way it is and it seemed like more care went into it at the time compared to some parts of DBZ.

[MasenkoHA]

If this happens then kid Goku needs a complete recast, no Clinkenbeard or Nadolny. Even though Nadolny had the right energy for Goku, her voice was a bit too raspy for me (not as bad as 5 year old Gohan, which still makes me cringe), whereas Clinkenbeard was just miscast entirely. I don't think she has the right inflection or energy to carry the whole show. She's a great actress, her Luffy is great, but the role of Goku just isn't for her.

Nadolny’s Goku is much MUCH better than her Gohan but I’m still not a fan. She was probably the best of the 3 Kid Goku’s that I’m familiar with though. I always thought it was interesting that she was cast as Gohan first and then Goku but did better as Goku and Saffron Henderson was cast as Goku at first but ended up up being a much better Gohan.

Clinkenbeard just is so wrong for Goku. I got about 2 minutes into her as Goku in Curse of the blood rubies and gave up.

[MasenkoHA]

I rewatched the original series dubbed a year or two ago, and I would say with the exception of a few minor characters, it's still a fairly solid dub. I know it seems divisive, but I think Stephanie does a good job as child goku. She brings childish wonder to the character which I like. Unlike DBZ where it needed a redub (More of the Freeza saga that needed it), DB really doesn't need a redub. It's fine the way it is and it seemed like more care went into it at the time compared to some parts of DBZ.

It’s much much better than DBZ and at least tries to capture the spirit of the original show

Nothing encapulates that better than comparing this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9mUSxq7Kg

To this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuFd5a_XLhc&t


But it absolutely can be done a lot better. There’s careless mistakes, misguided casting choices, censored dialog in what’s suppose to be an uncut product

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

It’s much much better than DBZ and at least tries to capture the spirit of the original show

Nothing encapulates that better than comparing this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9mUSxq7Kg

To this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuFd5a_XLhc&t


But it absolutely can be done a lot better. There’s careless mistakes, misguided casting choices, censored dialog in what’s suppose to be an uncut product[/quote]

Sure it can be better, but DB part doesn't make as much money as the DBZ part of things (At least in the USA) so there is no point in doing a redub. Besides, the only real censored dialoge I can think of is with Blue looking for his long lost brother instead of being pedofile in the original.

[8000 Saiyan]

We all know they’ll use Colleen Clinkenbeard as Goku and her Goku is terrible and ill-fitting. I’ll defend her Gohan which isn’t great or very good in terms of acting but much much better than Stephanie and at least fits. But her kid Goku is just awful and ear splitting.

I think it would be interesting if Schemmel got a shot at kid Goku. It would make Bora and Oopa recognizing Goku by his voice during the Buu saga more believable.

I do think anyone who meets Sabat should say, or even tweet to suggest Funi consider a redub whenever they licence the new remasters. As we are unsure yet if TOEI will remaster the series the movies would be good for Funi to test the waters and see how that would do, and most of the movies could do with redubs.

Heavens no! After how Peter Kelamis and Kirby Morrow turned out, I don't see Schemmel doing any better. I did like his Goku in DB a lot though.

I'd say keep Colleen Clinkenbeard or get Kara Edwards.

Nadolny’s Goku is much MUCH better than her Gohan but I’m still not a fan. She was probably the best of the 3 Kid Goku’s that I’m familiar with though. I always thought it was interesting that she was cast as Gohan first and then Goku but did better as Goku and Saffron Henderson was cast as Goku at first but ended up up being a much better Gohan.

Clinkenbeard just is so wrong for Goku. I got about 2 minutes into her as Goku in Curse of the blood rubies and gave up.

What's wrong with Colleen's Goku? At least Colleen can act unlike Stephanie. It always baffles me the praise she gets for Goku and even Gohan. She sounded like a chain smoker and her acting was just unnatural. Not a fan.

I know that some people are gonna tell me: "Oooh, but Nadolny fits better because Kid Goku has a much wilder personality, therefore her raspy voice fits!". To that I say, you don't need to have a raspy voice to convey the idea that you have a wild personality. Much like you don't need to sound like a moron as Kuwabara to convey the idea that he's a meathead. Sometimes less is more.

[MasenkoHA]

. Besides, the only real censored dialoge I can think of is with Blue looking for his long lost brother instead of being pedofile in the original.

They changed Oolong trying to feel Bulma up to trying to steal the Dragon Balls

They changed Roshi wanting to poke Bulma’s tits to wanting to walk with her down the beach (but still kept Oolong!Bulma exposing her tits to him)

They changed Oolong wanting panties to the world’s most uncomfortable underwear (and yet Bulma still calls him a pervert after)

This is all in the “uncut” version.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

. Besides, the only real censored dialoge I can think of is with Blue looking for his long lost brother instead of being pedofile in the original.

They changed Oolong trying to feel Bulma up to trying to steal the Dragon Balls

They changed Roshi wanting to poke Bulma’s tits to wanting to walk with her down the beach (but still kept Oolong!Bulma exposing her tits to him)

They changed Oolong wanting panties to the world’s most uncomfortable underwear (and yet Bulma still calls him a pervert after)

This is all in the “uncut” version.

I feel like those are just minor things, they did it because of the tv mandate of the time and probably thought it was close enough that they didn't need to record new lines for the uncut. Again it's not as drastic as season 3 (Freeza arc), where they really needed to redub it to be closer to the original.

[MasenkoHA]

What's wrong with Colleen's Goku? At least Colleen can act unlike Stephanie.

Colleen has this modern anime try hard “kid voice”’that I’m just not a fan of. It’s passable for Gohan (and not being Nadolny it’s music to my ears) but I can’t with it on Goku.

It always baffles me the praise she gets for Goku and even Gohan. She sounded like a chain smoker and her acting was just unnatural. Not a fan.

Nostalgia I think. I can’t stand her Gohan voice and have no idea how anyone can like it. 4 year olds aren’t suppose to sound like that. Even during the Cell Games where it was slightly more appropriate I hated her Gohan

And of course I’m not a fan of Colleen’s delivery as Gohan but she has the right “tone” the complaints that she made Gohan sound feminine is stupid and I assume none of those people have actually met a little boy in real life.

The best and only actually good English Gohan is Saffron Henderson anyways. Let’s be real here.


Stephanie’s Goku isn’t great but it’s better. She seems to at least “get”’Goku better than Gohan.


So it’s more between the two Stephanie is the less awful Goku and Colleen is the less awful Gohan

[8000 Saiyan]

I like both Saffron and Colleen. I don't think Colleen tries too hard.