What would Toei have done with GT if it had gone on longer?

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Interesting topic.

So let me summarise my ideas.

First and foremost I would have made Pan more the protagonist of the show and gave her a SSJ form. Goku would still have the SSJ4.

For the Super Android 17 I think what lacked there is a drama and 17 being conflicted having a part of him struggling to have order from Gero or Myuu, I would have explored Hell farther (let's go for an hellish adventure) and make Cell and Frieza not some Joke (a little of respect please)

As for the Shadow Dragon Arc, I would have split the Dragon Team into several partner for battling the Evil Dragon. And made the location of each battle in familiar aera for example on battle would have been in the former ground of the Red Ribbon Army or in Baba's Place. Puting Flashback here and there.

The last arc would have been an expansion of the Goku Jr OVA into a proper serie and serving as an epilogue of Dragon Ball as a whole.

A Total of 104 episodes would have been enough to expand GT and covering properly each saga based on a 26 episodes per saga which here has 4.

Some ideas throw here.

[Jord]

Interesting topic.

So let me summarise my ideas.

First and foremost I would have made Pan more the protagonist of the show and gave her a SSJ form. Goku would still have the SSJ4.

For the Super Android 17 I think what lacked there is a drama and 17 being conflicted having a part of him struggling to have order from Gero or Myuu, I would have explored Hell farther (let's go for an hellish adventure) and make Cell and Frieza not some Joke (a little of respect please)

As for the Shadow Dragon Arc, I would have split the Dragon Team into several partner for battling the Evil Dragon. And made the location of each battle in familiar aera for example on battle would have been in the former ground of the Red Ribbon Army or in Baba's Place. Puting Flashback here and there.

The last arc would have been an expansion of the Goku Jr OVA into a proper serie and serving as an epilogue of Dragon Ball as a whole.

A Total of 104 episodes would have been enough to expand GT and covering properly each saga based on a 26 episodes per saga which here has 4.

Some ideas throw here.

Some pretty good ideas you got there.
As far as 17..let Goku stay in Hell the whole time with others having to defeat 17, presumably with 18 in a leading part. After that, you can have that hellish adventuring while the others try to think of a way to bring Goku back.

To add a bit to your Shadow Dragon idea, why not let the location of the battle be related to the wish granted?
For example. let a dragon appear in the middle of the Budokai arena where Majin Vegeta killed all those people and another one near Korin's tower where the Indian friend of Goku was revived. Just using those locations gives it more of a conclusive feel without hinging too much on nostalgia. It also provides unique locations for unique battles. The Budokai fight could be a fight using the ring out rules for example. They don't even have to be all fights. Let Goku race a dragon to the top while climbing Korin's tower (with some kind of weight or restriction, making it harder for Goku).

[Robo4900]

I like Videl but she really doesn't bring anything to the table in comparison to even a relatively weak fighter like Roshi. When her only valuable ki technique is flight,

We don't know for sure that Videl didn't continue her training. IIRC we can be fairly sure Videl did some Great Saiyaman #2/Great Saiyawoman stuff with Gohan, so presumably she would've trained with him a little, so... It's not unreasonable to say that she's strong enough to be a valuable addition to the team.

I'd say, if we got Tenshinhan, Kuririn, and Roshi on the team, having Videl present isn't much of a stretch.

Interesting topic.

So let me summarise my ideas.

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Very cool thoughts!!

[WittyUsername]

Wasn’t the Great Saiyaman #2 a Toei creation? From what we’ve seen of Videl in Super, it certainly seems like the implication is that she put her days of crime fighting behind her, and is more or less a full time mother.

[LoganForkHands73]

I like Videl but she really doesn't bring anything to the table in comparison to even a relatively weak fighter like Roshi. When her only valuable ki technique is flight,

We don't know for sure that Videl didn't continue her training. IIRC we can be fairly sure Videl did some Great Saiyaman #2/Great Saiyawoman stuff with Gohan, so presumably she would've trained with him a little, so... It's not unreasonable to say that she's strong enough to be a valuable addition to the team.

I'd say, if we got Tenshinhan, Kuririn, and Roshi on the team, having Videl present isn't much of a stretch.

Interesting topic.

So let me summarise my ideas.

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Very cool thoughts!!

Videl on her own, maybe I could fathom, but her and Chi-Chi (Or just Chi-Chi on her own)? Nah. And as Witty said, I really don't get the impression that Videl has kept training and the narrative has given us 0 hints to that effect. She seems fully settled down into motherhood/housewifery, for better or worse. Like with Roshi, secret training is something they could have wanked in, but at least Roshi had previously been involved in the Resurrection F arc so we were more acclimatised with the idea of him coming back as a full-time fighter. It may have still been a stretch with him, but to place Videl on a similar level would be much more egregious imo.

The only scenario where it would make sense is in the lower stakes Zen Exhibition matches. Seeing that Gohan was still in the green sweatshirt and glasses mode, maybe Videl stepping up in his place could have inspired him to get back into training sooner and get stronger for the real tournament. That would've been quite nice actually.

And like I said, with Roshi there was at least that skill/experience vs. power angle. Videl as a pure underdog might be cool, but I can't imagine she would last very long at all. The best she could hope for is to knock out some bottom rung Universe 10 dudes.

[Robo4900]

Wasn’t the Great Saiyaman #2 a Toei creation? From what we’ve seen of Videl in Super, it certainly seems like the implication is that she put her days of crime fighting behind her, and is more or less a full time mother.

... Y'know, I don't remember.

Videl on her own, maybe I could fathom, but her and Chi-Chi (Or just Chi-Chi on her own)? Nah. And as Witty said, I really don't get the impression that Videl has kept training and the narrative has given us 0 hints to that effect. She seems fully settled down into motherhood/housewifery, for better or worse. Like with Roshi, secret training is something they could have wanked in, but at least Roshi had previously been involved in the Resurrection F arc so we were more acclimatised with the idea of him coming back as a full-time fighter. It may have still been a stretch with him, but to place Videl on a similar level would be much more egregious imo.

Well, we don't see any indication that Gohan's been training early on in Super aside from one scene where he states his intent to do so, which is later followed up on by Gohan re-stating that intent after having not trained, later on, and then eventually, he suddenly says "yep I'm all trained up."

So, it wouldn't be all that out of flavour for Videl to do a similar thing.
And tbh, I'd argue it'd make more sense with Videl than with Roshi. Roshi definitively retired a long time ago.

The only scenario where it would make sense is in the lower stakes Zen Exhibition matches. Seeing that Gohan was still in the green sweatshirt and glasses mode, maybe Videl stepping up in his place could have inspired him to get back into training sooner and get stronger for the real tournament. That would've been quite nice actually.

That sounds sweet.

And like I said, with Roshi there was at least that skill/experience vs. power angle. Videl as a pure underdog might be cool, but I can't imagine she would last very long at all. The best she could hope for is to knock out some bottom rung Universe 10 dudes.

I disagree... If Videl had done some offscreen training, and her and Gohan took advantage of the fact they're always on the same wavelength, they could have some fun moments of being a fighting duo.

[JulieYBM]

I often see it stated that Videl's personality in Dragon Ball Super is an issue. I find this weirdly sexist and falls back on toxic masculinity, in which femininity or woman-likeness is considered 'weak'. "She's too feminine!" The issue isn't what Videl does in Dragon Ball Super, it's what she doesn't do. Videl can be a cute wife and a mom and fight in cool battles. Being feminine does not mean being weak.

[ABED]

Her character wasn't meant to be a warrior. She's strong for a human being, that's it. This is why it makes more sense to put more emphasis on Pan. She has warrior genes.

[LoganForkHands73]

Videl on her own, maybe I could fathom, but her and Chi-Chi (Or just Chi-Chi on her own)? Nah. And as Witty said, I really don't get the impression that Videl has kept training and the narrative has given us 0 hints to that effect. She seems fully settled down into motherhood/housewifery, for better or worse. Like with Roshi, secret training is something they could have wanked in, but at least Roshi had previously been involved in the Resurrection F arc so we were more acclimatised with the idea of him coming back as a full-time fighter. It may have still been a stretch with him, but to place Videl on a similar level would be much more egregious imo.

Well, we don't see any indication that Gohan's been training early on in Super aside from one scene where he states his intent to do so, which is later followed up on by Gohan re-stating that intent after having not trained, later on, and then eventually, he suddenly says "yep I'm all trained up."

So, it wouldn't be all that out of flavour for Videl to do a similar thing.
And tbh, I'd argue it'd make more sense with Videl than with Roshi. Roshi definitively retired a long time ago.

Well I'm not usually one for arguing against hypotheticals. Anything can be good in the right hands but in my view, if there was anything that needed switching or improving, it wasn't Roshi and I'm not a fan of the idea of evicting him for Videl. Roshi had too many great moments and especially in the manga, he was pivotal in inspiring Goku to achieve Ultra Instinct. The man's also way more acclimatised to a tournament setting. Maybe Videl could have had some cool moments but who can say. If I had to get rid of one, then unfortunately it would have to be Tenshinhan seeing as he did so little in the Tournament (sorry, you're still my boy, Tien). Justify it in a funny way by Yamcha sending him a smoke signal to ward him away as revenge for leaving him out of the Frieza battle or something, lol.

The only scenario where it would make sense is in the lower stakes Zen Exhibition matches. Seeing that Gohan was still in the green sweatshirt and glasses mode, maybe Videl stepping up in his place could have inspired him to get back into training sooner and get stronger for the real tournament. That would've been quite nice actually.

That sounds sweet.

Cheers. At the very least, her being in that scenario would have visually spiced things up compared to two orange gi wearing Saiyan boys. Lavender would probably fuck her up giving her some PTSD of Spopovitch's cruelty, but it would be more satisfying to see her surprise him with ki sensing.

And like I said, with Roshi there was at least that skill/experience vs. power angle. Videl as a pure underdog might be cool, but I can't imagine she would last very long at all. The best she could hope for is to knock out some bottom rung Universe 10 dudes.

I disagree... If Videl had done some offscreen training, and her and Gohan took advantage of the fact they're always on the same wavelength, they could have some fun moments of being a fighting duo.

We got some of that sweet sweet husband-wife combo with Krillin and 18 so I'm not fussed. Gohan and Roshi's training was kinda BS but at least we'd already seen them doing some fighting beforehand, that's my rationalisation.

In my opinion, if there was any character who really deserved to be in the ToP, it was Future Trunks; if only he and Mai just stayed behind in the present timeline at the end of the previous arc, the Tournament of Power arc would have had even more desperate stakes as he would need the Super Dragon Balls to revive his dead timeline. There'd be plenty of tension between him, Frieza and the Androids, but he bonds a little with the latter, inspiring 17 to add "restore the erased universes and timelines" to his wish when he wins. Trunks could also get tilted by the Pride Troopers constantly talking about justice! So many missed opportunities...

[ABED]

Bringing back the timeline and erased universes is two separate wishes

[LoganForkHands73]

Would "universes erased by both Zenos in all timelines" count?