Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 18 - Official Discussion Thread

[IntangibleFancy]

I guess the only other thing left is the fusion. I don’t expect Glorio to fuse with Goku anymore, in fact, I think Anrinsu might fatally injure him.

I don’t really expect Kuu or Duu to fuse anymore either, it’s hard to explain why, but if I had to, I guess it’d be because they’re mostly gag/comedic relief characters and combining them feels off-beat. Fusing them would have been likely if they were still the enemy.

Shin and Vegeta are the most likely to me, but it just doesn’t make sense for it to be Shin. He hasn’t really done anything besides hit a few guards all the way back in the third demon realm. He’d have to have an arsenal of cool magic techniques he’s been hiding this entire series for it to be plausible.

I think the only reason why Shin makes sense to me is because I could see the writers wanting to subvert our expectations by teasing Goku and Vegeta and then giving the bug to someone we “never would have guessed”

Honestly, call me boring, but I’d take Goku and Vegeta, as long as it resulted in a third, new fusion. I love the idea of Goku and Vegeta fusing, but I don’t like Vegito OR Gogeta. Never have.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

This "cannon" Ssj4 looks terribad, the arms are ugly and distracting, the colors are bad, the pants without the belt? ASS, and on top of that they kept Goku in mini form making it extra bad looking.

I can't believe this is what certain Youtubers have been hyping up for months now. This was by far the most disappointing form of the modern era, and that's saying something considering we have the likes of Ssj Blue around.

After all this who still believes in canon?

I'm going to say what no fan dares to say: I consider GT more "canon" than Super and Daima. When I think of DB, I think of the original series, Z and GT. I honestly cannot look at what came after and think "yep, part of the same series", especially after what we just saw.

[nineko]

What the actual fuck was this.

I'm not going to lie, this started out as my favourite Daima episode so far, I genuinely laughed when Duu mimicked the Super Saiyan 3 transformation. I was finally happy.

But then, Neva happened. Sigh. Why Super Saiyan 4 of all things? And only to Goku, it's like the producers went "sure Vegeta can have 3, but Goku gets 4 then".

The one good thing is that we've seen a progressive transformation from 3 to 4, possibly for the first time ever if I'm not mistaken (it's been years since the last time I watched GT, but I seem to remember that they either take the golden oozaru route for the first transformation, and transform straight from base to 4 every subsequent time).

The dragon being a recycled Porunga (in both name and shape) is yet another lazy point. Even Super had a completely different one (Toronbo), but no.

Also yeah, since Arinsu can't speak Namekian, Glorio probably pulled the most predictable change of mind in anime history.

Yawn.

[The Iron Fjord]

So that was a pretty neat episode. Duuper Saiyan 3 was hilarious, the fighting animation was the best it's been so far, and the faces Gomah made while getting beat up were priceless. I do like how they were allowing the Glorio betrayal stuff to play out, with him getting a montage of the fun adventures he had to get there. Whether he wished for the hat chick's panties, a better looking hat than Hybis or whatever, I hope the wish they make on Porunga Rojo will be a good one.

Oh yeah, and some stinkin' ape became canon, but who really cares about that?

[AliTheZombie13]

Not really a bad thing per se, but Hybis is the most worthless addition to the team. Not worthless in the sense of storytelling, but in the sense that he's done nothing but actively hurt everybody, twice now.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Why Super Saiyan 4 of all things?

The dragon being a recycled Porunga (in both name and shape) is yet another lazy point.

Because it's popular, that's literally it. In fact, that's been the justification for all call backs to previous events in the modern era.

GT had a red Shenron, so Daima has a red Porunga. I have less issue with GT's dragon due to it not being built up or anything, it happened in the very first episode. We had to wait 18 episodes to see Daima's dragon, only for it to be a design we already have.

[QuakingStar]

I am loving the canon Super Saiyan 4. It kind of takes Limit Breakers colors and adds Red Eyes instead of Gold. I am hoping this was a preview of it, and it returns in DBS later. I have been enjoying Daima so far.

[M16U3L2015]

Well, this one just killed the Super and Daima canon discussions, I will say that it makes me even laugh that the last thing Toriyama did before die, was fuck up the canon of his own work.

[perucho1990]

Why Super Saiyan 4 of all things?

The dragon being a recycled Porunga (in both name and shape) is yet another lazy point.

Because it's popular, that's literally it. In fact, that's been the justification for all call backs to previous events in the modern era.

GT had a red Shenron, so Daima has a red Porunga. I have less issue with GT's dragon due to it not being built up or anything, it happened in the very first episode. We had to wait 18 episodes to see Daima's dragon, only for it to be a design we already have.

I'm impressed how Daima is still trending worldwide on twitter and the reception there has been "positive" if you ask me, Red Porunga gained aura after he fingerflicked Gomah like a bug

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I am loving the canon Super Saiyan 4.

There's no canon. If there was, then GT's version is "canon" as it got there first, in fact it got there nearly 30 years ahead of Daima's.

I'm impressed how Daima is still trending worldwide on twitter and the reception there has been "positive".

I'm not surprised, fans of this franchise will eat anything up as long as Toriyama's name is attached to it.

[AliTheZombie13]

I do believe there are continuities.

Manga
Manga/DB -> DBZ/Kai -> Super
Manga/DB -> DBZ + Z Movies -> GT

Where does Daima fit in, now that's the question.
But there is no universal canon where everything except this one specific thing fits.

[Cybersai]

Not really a bad thing per se, but Hybis is the most worthless addition to the team. Not worthless in the sense of storytelling, but in the sense that he's done nothing but actively hurt everybody, twice now.

He's basically a modern Yajirobe or Mr. Satan character, he's meant to be funny comic relief and come in handy once in awhile (like when he threw his hat at Degesu)

[AliTheZombie13]

He's basically a modern Yajirobe or Mr. Satan character, he's meant to be funny comic relief and come in handy once in awhile (like when he threw his hat at Degesu)

Wasn't that Glorio who ripped it off his head?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I do believe there are continuities.

Manga
Manga/DB -> DBZ/Kai -> Super
Manga/DB -> DBZ + Z Movies -> GT

Where does Daima fit in, now that's the question.

I completely agree with this. I'd just go ahead and throw Daima in with Super's continuity.

[StaticMania]

Red Porunga looks cool...

It's a decent color scheme, with blue highlights around his stomach area.

And I guess this is why they didn't want to address Glorio and Arinsu's connection last episode, how disappointing. At least there were "some" moments to build up to his betrayal...but the only genuine moment (his happiness at seeing Goku & Panzy survive the Kraken) wasn't shown. Even then, one moment just isn't enough for this.

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Neva just giving Goku SSJ4 was bad.

Doo mimicking SSJ3 hair was good.

Vegeta being the only one who doesn't rejoin the fight was good.

Having both SSJ3 & SSJ4 both serve as a tide change in the fight...in the same episode was bad. Just really repetitive.

[AliTheZombie13]

No love for Piccolo, you guys?
I'm still waiting for his moment to shine in Daima.

[Zephyr]

I am not a fan of Goku's new form. The way the fur tapers off before even getting to his wristbands is just fucking awful looking. I am surprised that we did not receive a 5 minute explanation from Neva on what exactly he did. Was he doing a Namekian Grand Elder/Elder Kaioshin thing of unlocking Goku's potential? Is it "Ultimate Goku"? Curious what it's going to be named.

Glad to see Glorio's double-agent nature finally come to light. Sounded like the last word he said to the dragon contained the word "child" in it, so he definitely wished for them to become adults again. I hope there is a gag of Dende growing in Panzy's arms and he's too heavy and she drops him.

Doo's new form was the actual highlight of the episode, possibly of this entire show. That shit was funny as hell.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

No love for Piccolo, you guys?
I'm still waiting for his moment to shine in Daima.

He took down Degesue...that's something I guess.

[Cybersai]

No love for Piccolo, you guys?
I'm still waiting for his moment to shine in Daima.

Tbh, what more does he have to do? He's been shown fighting alongside everyone else in the last two eps. It's like saying Duu and Kuu aren't doing anything when they're all fighting Gomah. Just because nobody is "winning" doesn't mean he's not doing anything. Same with Shin.

[BernardoCairo]

I do believe there are continuities.

Manga
Manga/DB -> DBZ/Kai -> Super
Manga/DB -> DBZ + Z Movies -> GT

I agree 100%. If anything, if you really want to use the word "canon" to describe any part of Dragon Ball, I would say it's the original manga (as that's the main story and original vision of the author). The other official projects can all coexist as different continuities.

I woud just add:
Manga -> Super Manga
Manga -> Super movies
Manga -> Daima -> Super Movies (that's still up for debate though)

I'm going to say what no fan dares to say: I consider GT more "canon" than Super and Daima. When I think of DB, I think of the original series, Z and GT. I honestly cannot look at what came after and think "yep, part of the same series", especially after what we just saw.

I would say that Battle of Gods in particular is the closest we've gotten to the original manga's DNA. But what you're describing is more subjective anyway.