Why is Freeza's dub voice so hated?

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:16 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
Thanos6 wrote:
Why is Goku talking about Buu?
Actually, that was in the Japanese Movie 12, at least according to all the subtitles I've ever seen for it. "You're the second one to have pushed me this far, after Majin Buu."
Um... it's been a long time since I've seen it, I'll admit... so maybe later in the movie he says something...

But the scene in question here he just said "Now it's a fight" or "The real fight starts now" depending on the subber (I havent seen Simmons' version yet, but you can verbally hear a lack of the word "Buu" in that scene).

I don't know what you mean, because Gokuu clearly says "Ma-jin Buu" in the original japanese dialogue, with the meaning of the dialogue being basically what Thanos6 posted.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:36 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:
Thanos6 wrote: Actually, that was in the Japanese Movie 12, at least according to all the subtitles I've ever seen for it. "You're the second one to have pushed me this far, after Majin Buu."
Um... it's been a long time since I've seen it, I'll admit... so maybe later in the movie he says something...

But the scene in question here he just said "Now it's a fight" or "The real fight starts now" depending on the subber (I havent seen Simmons' version yet, but you can verbally hear a lack of the word "Buu" in that scene).
I don't know what you mean, because Gokuu clearly says "Ma-jin Buu" in the original japanese dialogue, with the meaning of the dialogue being basically what Thanos6 posted.

Thank you.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:36 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Mystic Jack wrote:I think its because the japanese voice suits the character so much more. Simple explanation really.
Voices are independent of one's character.

I made a whole point about that earlier and that isn't entirely true. The actual voice a person has is genetic, but the manner in which a person talks is shaped by experiences. I mean yeah, not every evil person (or almost any really) talk in your typical anime deep voice. But Freeza's voice isn't stereotypically evil. His voice isn't deep, outside of his two monstrous forms, and his manner of speech (before he loses control) is generally very polite. These are indications of his character. Contrast that with when he's at 100% power and he's speaking in a rougher, vulgar, and more boastful manner. He loses his temper and his voice (or rather, his tone of voice and the pitch he uses, and the way he chooses to express himself) reflect that. Dub Freeza sounds like a chain-smoking grandmother, and is sort of polite but tends to fall into FUNi's standard insults and puns standard of villainy. 100% Freeza sounds like normal Freeza taking it in the ass. The voice sounds wrong and the character's nuances just aren't delivered as well.

Thanos6 wrote:
Darkprince410 wrote:
Onikage725 wrote: Um... it's been a long time since I've seen it, I'll admit... so maybe later in the movie he says something...

But the scene in question here he just said "Now it's a fight" or "The real fight starts now" depending on the subber (I havent seen Simmons' version yet, but you can verbally hear a lack of the word "Buu" in that scene).
I don't know what you mean, because Gokuu clearly says "Ma-jin Buu" in the original japanese dialogue, with the meaning of the dialogue being basically what Thanos6 posted.
Thank you.

Yeah you're right, sorry about that. Like I said, it's been awhile since I saw it, and not any of the fansubbers ever wrote it for some reason. I also had two sets of ears check the scene for me, and I listened to one over the phone and we didnt hear that.

But I just watched it myself on megavideo and he does say it. Sorry about that. So kudos to the dub on script, points still off on ridiculous music and Janenba having two names.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:21 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Mystic Jack wrote:I think its because the japanese voice suits the character so much more. Simple explanation really.
Voices are independent of one's character.
I made a whole point about that earlier and that isn't entirely true. The actual voice a person has is genetic, but the manner in which a person talks is shaped by experiences. I mean yeah, not every evil person (or almost any really) talk in your typical anime deep voice. But Freeza's voice isn't stereotypically evil. His voice isn't deep, outside of his two monstrous forms, and his manner of speech (before he loses control) is generally very polite. These are indications of his character. Contrast that with when he's at 100% power and he's speaking in a rougher, vulgar, and more boastful manner. He loses his temper and his voice (or rather, his tone of voice and the pitch he uses, and the way he chooses to express himself) reflect that. Dub Freeza sounds like a chain-smoking grandmother, and is sort of polite but tends to fall into FUNi's standard insults and puns standard of villainy. 100% Freeza sounds like normal Freeza taking it in the ass. The voice sounds wrong and the character's nuances just aren't delivered as well.

I think what he or she meant was that sometimes the voice can be whatever someone thinks of if they're reading the manga. An example or so would be if a person is reading Batman, and they read his dialogue without thinking of Kevin Conroy's voice.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:29 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:
Rocketman wrote: Voices are independent of one's character.
I made a whole point about that earlier and that isn't entirely true. The actual voice a person has is genetic, but the manner in which a person talks is shaped by experiences. I mean yeah, not every evil person (or almost any really) talk in your typical anime deep voice. But Freeza's voice isn't stereotypically evil. His voice isn't deep, outside of his two monstrous forms, and his manner of speech (before he loses control) is generally very polite. These are indications of his character. Contrast that with when he's at 100% power and he's speaking in a rougher, vulgar, and more boastful manner. He loses his temper and his voice (or rather, his tone of voice and the pitch he uses, and the way he chooses to express himself) reflect that. Dub Freeza sounds like a chain-smoking grandmother, and is sort of polite but tends to fall into FUNi's standard insults and puns standard of villainy. 100% Freeza sounds like normal Freeza taking it in the ass. The voice sounds wrong and the character's nuances just aren't delivered as well.
I think what he or she meant was that sometimes the voice can be whatever someone thinks of if they're reading the manga. An example or so would be if a person is reading Batman, and they read his dialogue without thinking of Kevin Conroy's voice.

If so, that's an entirely seperate issue from "Why is Freeza's dub voice so hated" or the answer or Mystic jacks' answer that the japanese voice is better suiting.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:58 am

Kunzait_83 wrote:Dameon... eh... has his moments I guess. But he too falls prey to the "waaaaay too over the top syndrome" that plagues the entire FUNimation DBZ cast

Please tell me you're a female, single, and live somewhere in the nothern US. That's usually how I describe Funi's VAs when I'm arguing with dumbass dubbies on IMDB: Forced and over the top. I usually use the example of Fat Buu to get my point across since they did just about everything wrong with him vocal wise .

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:34 pm

Majin Buu wrote:
Kunzait_83 wrote:Dameon... eh... has his moments I guess. But he too falls prey to the "waaaaay too over the top syndrome" that plagues the entire FUNimation DBZ cast
Please tell me you're a female, single, and live somewhere in the nothern US. That's usually how I describe Funi's VAs when I'm arguing with dumbass dubbies on IMDB: Forced and over the top. I usually use the example of Fat Buu to get my point across since they did just about everything wrong with him vocal wise .

Did you just hit on Kunzait?
I guess he lives up to his namesake

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:56 am

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:43 pm

I don't like it because he sounds like an old lady. His original voice makes him sound like a douchebag, which fits his character well. I actually always thought that he sounded just like Mayuri from Bleach, and then I looked up that it was in fact the same seiyuu. I guess that guy is good at doing the voices of douchebags...

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:34 pm

Bomber Greek wrote:I don't like it because he sounds like an old lady. His original voice makes him sound like a douchebag, which fits his character well. I actually always thought that he sounded just like Mayuri from Bleach, and then I looked up that it was in fact the same seiyuu. I guess that guy is good at doing the voices of douchebags...

With me, it was the opposite. Heard Mayuri's Japanese voice and noticed he sounded like Frieza. Heck, for a long time before I knew his name, I referred to him as just "Masked Frieza". Don't call him that anymore as I know his name, and have gotten used to Terrence Stone as him.

Don't know if anyone else here watches Zatch Bell, but when I first heard Zofis, thought he reminded me as a mixture of dub Frieza and Wuya from Xiaolin Showdown (likely because the latter's VA does his voice).

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:34 pm

Well, you see, I used to be a dubbie before I started to watch Bleach subbed. I saw all the Bleach dubbed episodes, and I honestly couldn't wait any longer. Now I'm a subbie. But, I never liked cut anime. I've always held a grudge against it. I also hated the American music. So, you could say I was part dubbie part subbie. Also, (sorry I talk so much) I'm a REALLY new anime fan. I kind of started in April.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:01 pm

Bomber Greek wrote:I don't like it because he sounds like an old lady. His original voice makes him sound like a douchebag, which fits his character well. I actually always thought that he sounded just like Mayuri from Bleach, and then I looked up that it was in fact the same seiyuu. I guess that guy is good at doing the voices of douchebags...

You may be right there since he also voiced Iizuka from the Kenshin OAV. XD

And BomberGeek, don't feel embarassed or anything about being new to anime. We all started out that way once.^^

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:08 pm

Bomber Greek wrote:Well, you see, I used to be a dubbie before I started to watch Bleach subbed. I saw all the Bleach dubbed episodes, and I honestly couldn't wait any longer. Now I'm a subbie. But, I never liked cut anime. I've always held a grudge against it. I also hated the American music. So, you could say I was part dubbie part subbie. Also, (sorry I talk so much) I'm a REALLY new anime fan. I kind of started in April.

Bleach's music isn't changed, and if anything's cut, you can't tell if you never saw it before.

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:23 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
Bomber Greek wrote:Well, you see, I used to be a dubbie before I started to watch Bleach subbed. I saw all the Bleach dubbed episodes, and I honestly couldn't wait any longer. Now I'm a subbie. But, I never liked cut anime. I've always held a grudge against it. I also hated the American music. So, you could say I was part dubbie part subbie. Also, (sorry I talk so much) I'm a REALLY new anime fan. I kind of started in April.
Bleach's music isn't changed, and if anything's cut, you can't tell if you never saw it before.

Yeah, I know that. When I was talking about the music changes, I was talking about animes such as Dragon Ball Z and One Piece. No, Bleach doesn't have anything cut in the dub. I'm really glad that it was treated respectfully.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:05 pm

Bomber Greek wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:
Bomber Greek wrote:Well, you see, I used to be a dubbie before I started to watch Bleach subbed. I saw all the Bleach dubbed episodes, and I honestly couldn't wait any longer. Now I'm a subbie. But, I never liked cut anime. I've always held a grudge against it. I also hated the American music. So, you could say I was part dubbie part subbie. Also, (sorry I talk so much) I'm a REALLY new anime fan. I kind of started in April.
Bleach's music isn't changed, and if anything's cut, you can't tell if you never saw it before.
Yeah, I know that. When I was talking about the music changes, I was talking about animes such as Dragon Ball Z and One Piece. No, Bleach doesn't have anything cut in the dub. I'm really glad that it was treated respectfully.

Oh, ok. You were talking about Bleach so I assumed you were referring to Bleach.

DemonKingPiccolo · Post by **DemonKingPiccolo** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:09 pm

Is this topic even about Freeza's dub voice anymore?

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:28 pm

Bomber Greek wrote:I don't like it because he sounds like an old lady. His original voice makes him sound like a douchebag, which fits his character well. I actually always thought that he sounded just like Mayuri from Bleach, and then I looked up that it was in fact the same seiyuu. I guess that guy is good at doing the voices of douchebags...

I just started watching Dekaranger, and i turns out he's the main villain on that show (Broodwing is the Power Rangers SPD equivolent, even though he's the secondary villain there). It adds a little extra to my enjoyment of the show. He's using like a slightly more sinister version of his Freeza voice (well I guess used, since the show's like 3 years old). Kinda sounds like Coola actually.