New Freeza Talkback

[MR.Mark]

Goku is just one of those characters that should never be cast based on the Japanese voice, but based on the character

Fully agreed, and again I emphasized slang or bad grammar, I never said Goku should sound like a hillbilly.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I listened to that trailer again...MAN I can't wait for tomorrow night's episode! Unfortunately I don't get Nicktoons, but that's why we have this beautiful thing called "Nicktoons.com," that streams the episodes.

[penguintruth]

There's a preview clip up on the Nicktoons website: http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... lip-1.html

All Freeza does is grunt, though. The only ones who talk in this clip are Kuririn, Gohan, and Dende.

(Kikuchi's score was so much better in that scene than Yamamoto's.)

[Adamant]

Indeed, Kaio is still a miscast, but Goku is fine, no where near "magic cloud" level of wrong.

Eh, magic cloud guy does a perfectly fine job acting out that horrendously wrong impression the voice director had of Goku. Let's not misdirect blame here.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

There's a preview clip up on the Nicktoons website: http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... lip-1.html

That grunting from Ayres sounded a little reminiscent of some old dub antics to me. Not as bad by any stretch but still...

[MR.Mark]

That was a little more than mere grunts, Ayres screamed pretty intensely at one point as well, and it sounded great.

[MetalMadness]

Just finished watching the new episode on Nicktoons site, Freeza sounds much rougher and a little deeper in his second form. He loses his gentleman-manner and aristocratic voice instantly and sounds much rougher, which he is supposed to since his second form is supposed to be much more beastly, but I think his laughs came off a little forced. He also sounded a little off and weird during the scene when he says "That was just my way of saying hello, even a saiyan could have done that."

Also Only a Chilling Elegy was left unaltered. But this episode only had the chorus and no actual singing, that's not until episode 40, so we'll see then.

And, when Freeza stabs Krillin, it doesn't even show his horn piercing him, it just shows his head in front of Krillin basically. They colored out the horn going through his body. It's implied that he is impaled but not shown at all.

[RazorX]

FUNi's Kaioh makes me frown... I want Dave Ward back; he was a decent Kaioh.

Don Brown voiced Kaio in the Ocean dub. I'm a bit surprised you didn't know that. I've seen other people make the same mistake but they didn't seem to be as well informed of the various DBZ dubs as you.

Dave Ward voiced Ox King.

Having said that, I really hope Don Brown returns to voice Kaio and Hercule in Ocean's Kai dub. I loved his portrayal of both characters.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

I never watched more than a few clips here and there of Kai before the dub. Last night was my first exposure to 'Only A Chilling Elegy', but the chanting was awesome so I sought the full version out on YouTube...wow, that's a pretty grandiose and badass song, very appropriate for Freeza (until now, the only song I've associated with him has been Maximum the Hormone's 'F' XD ). It was in fact altered slightly, it seems; due to the cut footage, they cut out a bit of the chanting and moved the guitar riff up a bit. Felt so seamless to me that I thought the song was unaltered in spite of the cuts until I watched the scene in Japanese again.

From what I've heard, the vocal portions of this song are heard in a later episode? I really kinda hope that the chanting remains untranslated (in other words, that they didn't just leave it that way for this episode because you only heard the chanting, but that the dubbed song will mix English vocals with the Japanese chanting), because it's so haunting. Yes, it's Japanese, but can the uninitiated tell? I had to listen closely to confirm it was even Japanese; my initial instinct was, unsurprisingly, 'ominous Latin chanting'. I'm personally of the opinion that if a song is going to have ominous chanting in it, it always sounds better if that chanting is foreign. If it's in a language you can't inherently understand, while the rest of the song is, then it makes the chanting all the more ominous, don't you think? For instance, the opening theme of Umineko no Naku Koro Ni uses ominous Italian chanting (the story is strongly rooted in Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy) mixed with Japanese vocals. The same singer did the Anime OP as well, with the same style. I think it makes the chanting so much more effectively haunting by having it in a foreign language that the intended audience isn't expected to understand, while the rest of the song is in their native language. It invokes a very unique emotion, in my opinion, and even though the song had to be trimmed a bit for last night's scene, hearing that ominous Japanese chanting during the attack made it feel more emotional for me - it wouldn't have been so for the Japanese viewers, but now the English-speaking audience is hearing this incomprehensible foreign chanting in an English television episode. I guess I just think that mix-and-match of languages comes off as sounding really awesome.

While I realize this is obviously not the intended effect since all of 'Only a Chilling Elegy' is originally entirely in Japanese, I think it'd sound fantastic if they left that chanting untranslated, and only dubbed the actual vocals. I guess what I'm saying is that I hope a few episodes from now, when more of the song is supposed to play, we don't get retroactively English chanting to go along with it. Not to mention the fact that all (?) of FUNi's dubbed songs are done by VA's on their cast and not outside musicians, and I'm not sure if I can imagine any of them pulling off operatic English chanting...unless any of the VA's have classical opera in their backgrounds that I'm not aware of. Still though, better left untranslated IMO. It'd be like having used Vic's version of 'Brothers' from FullMetal Alchemist in the series (though I know he did that unofficially and I believe got in trouble for it, actually) instead of the original Russian...it's just not the same.

And though I'm not sure if Ayers can sing at all, am I the only one who thinks it would be awesome if he did the English vocals?

[Puto]

unless any of the VA's have classical opera in their backgrounds that I'm not aware of.

Sabat does.

[The GREAT D.]

And though I'm not sure if Ayers can sing at all, am I the only one who thinks it would be awesome if he did the English vocals?

Well here's Chris Ayers singing a cover of 'War Pigs' by Black Sabbath in a band called Voices for Peace he formed with a few other Texas voice actors.
http://www.myspace.com/music/3689946/songs/47523595
The singing starts about a minute into the song.

Judging from his singing in that I believe he could deliver a pretty interesting rendition of 'Only A Chilling Elegy'.

[nathantheguitarist]

Well here's Chris Ayers singing a cover of 'War Pigs' by Black Sabbath in a band called Voices for Peace he formed with a few other Texas voice actors.
http://www.myspace.com/music/3689946/songs/47523595
The singing starts about a minute into the song.

Judging from his singing in that I believe he could deliver a pretty interesting rendition of 'Only A Chilling Elegy'.

I loved what I've heard of Chris' Freeza last night. It was the most recent episode of Kai I've watched since the Ginyu stuff just came out in Japan. But being that Black Sabbath is my favorite band in the world of all time ever, and is the main reason I play guitar (hence my ridiculous name lol), hearing his mildly amusing but nonetheless fucking badass cover of War Pigs just shot him upto the top of my favorite VA's list, and I don't normally pick favorites lol.

Thank you for showing that to us. My ears are happy.

[DB_Fan1991]

And though I'm not sure if Ayers can sing at all, am I the only one who thinks it would be awesome if he did the English vocals?

Well here's Chris Ayers singing a cover of 'War Pigs' by Black Sabbath in a band called Voices for Peace he formed with a few other Texas voice actors.
http://www.myspace.com/music/3689946/songs/47523595
The singing starts about a minute into the song.

Judging from his singing in that I believe he could deliver a pretty interesting rendition of 'Only A Chilling Elegy'.

As a Black Sabbath fan they covered War Pigs wonderfully. Chris' singing voice has hints of Ozzy to me, but on-topic yes he really should sing Only A Chilling Elegy in English.

[MR.Mark]

Eh, magic cloud guy does a perfectly fine job acting out that horrendously wrong impression the voice director had of Goku. Let's not misdirect blame here.

Irrelevant, I was criticizing the quality of his voice, which sounds like Liono, he'd be wrong even with a correct script. Even with the old DBZ dub and all the heroic speeches Sean was given to say as Goku, Sean has a quality to his voice that will never sound anywhere near as superhero as magic cloud guy. No misdirected blame here.

Back on the subject of Freeza, I was just thinking about his 3rd form voice. It's been more or less confirmed that it will be the only form where they will modify Ayres voice. So I take it his 3rd form will be the deepest, but personally I think none of his forms need it. Think back to Chris's controversial first lines as Freeza, if he took that and dialed up the "alien" further, that would be a excellent 3rd form voice.

[SuperSaiyanBatman]

Back on the subject of Freeza, I was just thinking about his 3rd form voice. It's been more or less confirmed that it will be the only form where they will modify Ayres voice. So I take it his 3rd form will be the deepest, but personally I think none of his forms need it. Think back to Chris's controversial first lines as Freeza, if he took that and dialed up the "alien" further, that would be a excellent 3rd form voice.

Modified like they did originally with the 3rd form voice back when Linda was playing him?

Onto my own opinion of Ayres:

By the first few episodes, I wasn't really sure what I thought of him, however, these last two episodes with him as 2nd Form Freeza, as well as looking back at his overall performance so far, locked in my opinion of him. He's the best recast Chris Sabat has done for Kai. Ayres finally makes Freeza sound threatening, not...as much as I remember Linda's voice for Freeza, Freeza was never scary when she played him, and I never could take him seriously. But with Ayres, I get a genuine sense of Evil from his performance, and a real fear of what he's going to do next.

I'm glad that he's going to be our Freeza from now on, and I look forward to seeing how he handles the rest of it.

[MR.Mark]

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Modified like they did originally with the 3rd form voice back when Linda was playing him?

No, not that double voice effect, it just seems like the third form will have a deep monstrous voice from what I can gather.

[SuperSaiyanBatman]

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Modified like they did originally with the 3rd form voice back when Linda was playing him?

No, not that double voice effect, it just seems like the third form will have a deep monstrous voice from what I can gather.

Oh, Alright, now I'm less worried.

But anyway, you mean acting modification, or digital modification? Sorry if it sounds like a stupid question, Due to me being really new, well. Yeah.

[TheBlackPaladin]

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Modified like they did originally with the 3rd form voice back when Linda was playing him?

No, not that double voice effect, it just seems like the third form will have a deep monstrous voice from what I can gather.

Oh, Alright, now I'm less worried.

But anyway, you mean acting modification, or digital modification? Sorry if it sounds like a stupid question, Due to me being really new, well. Yeah.

No need to apologize for asking questions, most people will be glad to answer! Yes, digital modification. His voice will be digitally modified to be deeper. Ayers said that he can go that low naturally, but it's very hard for him to and his acting ability is really limited as a result. Try it yourself, try talking in the absolute lowest possible voice that you can muster...ya can't add much variety of emotion to the way you talk, can you? So, he will be digitally pitched down so that he will still be able to act. Then the Final Form goes up a bit higher again.

[MR.Mark]

The 3rd form, from what I've read, will be digitally altered. I'm really curious about what it's going to sound like.

[Chuquita]

unless any of the VA's have classical opera in their backgrounds that I'm not aware of.

Sabat does.

That's kind of cool; and it makes me want to hear what his opera singing voice sounds like. O_O