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Re: Interesting or funny pictures thread

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:06 pm

hleV wrote: The same way being hurt shouldn't affect the ki output, but it apparently does? Weights suppress the capability to fully utilize one's ki ("surface" it), I don't think ki sensing would work differently than scouters in this particular case.
Ki is born out of the "fusion" between body and spirit. We know that much. So, if the body is hurt, Ki is affected directly. It makes perfect sense. Especially since in the Buu saga its shown that having a low amount of even one single component of Ki, like Genki, can leave people completely tired and useless, and can even kill them, even if all the other components of Ki are perfectly fine, including the body.

But a weighted fighter has exactly the same body and spirit with weights on and with weights off. So, why should the Ki output be different? If that was the case, then Goku with Goten on his back would suddenly have less Ki output due to the extra weight on top of him. Also, a fighter in a higher gravity will have less Ki output because he weighs more. Does that make sense? To me it doesn't. A fighter with weights or in a higher gravity simply has a harder time moving, because there's something extra making him slower, making it harder to move. That's all. His Ki is the same and his use of Ki is the same, he just has a harder time moving around.

We know that Radditz' scouter is able to deduce that Goku is a bigger threat with weights off but I don't think it makes sense that the machine reached that result by registering a higher Ki output off of Goku when he removed the weights. Therefore its probable that power levels aren't just measures of Ki output.

Its also very probable that all this is just a plothole and that Toriyama intended them to just be Ki detectors with numbers, but, from a in-universe perspective, it doesn't really make sense unless they are a little more complex than that.

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Re: Interesting or funny pictures thread

Post by Kaboom » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:54 pm

We have enough power level discussions in other threads as it is. Can we try to get this one back on track, please?
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Re: Interesting or funny pictures thread

Post by hleV » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:34 pm

@rereboy, your problem is that you believe you can decide what makes sense and what doesn't about a thing you don't have that much information about. Scouter is said to determine ki and convert it to a numeric value. If one can suppress their ki at will, why can't weights have a similar, although forced, effect? If it affects one's body physically, who's to say it doesn't affect one's ki as well?
That's all I wanted to say. If you still persist on arguing that ki works exactly the way you figure, I'm willing to take it to a power level-focused topic. I hope it won't be necessary, though.

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Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:56 pm

hleV wrote:@rereboy, your problem is that you believe you can decide what makes sense and what doesn't about a thing you don't have that much information about.
Its called having an opinion based on the information available. I'm not telling you what to think or saying that this must be the truth. I'm telling you what I think. So, no, I don't have any "problem" unlike you suggest. If more information regarding the subject suddenly appeared, I would have no problem adjusting or changing my opinion based on the new information. Until then, I will stick to my opinion based on the information that does exist.

And no, scouters are never said to just determine the Ki as a number and nothing else. Its never fully explained how they work, Piccolo and Bulma just say that its able to pick up the power and position of opponents. Roshi even asks Bulma how they work, but Bulma doesn't answer. They no doubt pick up Ki but its not explained if that's all there is to their determination of power levels. And to me it doesn't make sense that weight alters Ki. If it does for you, good for you, there's no plothole from your perspective. I simply don't agree. I'm not saying that its impossible, but I just don't agree. In fact, I even stated that this problem probably didn't even occur to Toriyama so I was discussing it purely from a in-universe perspective.

Now, if you don't mind, I'll finish this discussion like Kaboom suggested. In fact, the discussion was already far from my original point and was now nothing more than you criticizing details of what I said and details of my opinion regarding power levels and Ki that don't even matter to the conclusion that power levels are inconsistent from the start.

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Re: Interesting or funny pictures thread

Post by hleV » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:22 pm

To clarify, I didn't intend it to sound like you were stating anything as facts, but rather that you were arguing your opinion about something we don't have much info on. To put it short, you don't exactly have a good basis for your opinion. It's completely fine to have an opinion, but you claiming that this and that doesn't make sense (even if according to you, only) without actually providing a valid reason for why that is the case is what caught my attention. Or rather your persistence to keep arguing about it when my whole point was that ki is still a big mistery to the DB fandom, and that the issues you're having with consistency are not necessarily issues at all. The real issue here is the confusion that was made because of lack of info.

Regarding Scouters, I was basing my points on the info from the Kanzenshuu Battle Power Guide.

But who knows, you might just be right. DB isn't exactly consistent with itself, so it would hardly be a surprise if even Toriyama was unable to explain anything. Even the younger one, who remembered shit xD.

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Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:35 pm

hleV wrote:To clarify, I didn't intend it to sound like you were stating anything as facts, but rather that you were arguing your opinion about something we don't have much info on.
The only time we can actually have an opinion is when we don't have all the info.

If we have all the possible information regarding something, then that something is a fact and there's no room for interpretation or opinion. Only when there's some room for interpretation because not everything is completely explained we are able to have an opinion, an interpretation, to come up with a conclusion.

So, criticizing me for having an opinion because we don't have much info doesn't seem to make any sense to me... There was enough information for me to formulate a coherent opinion and I didn't argue that is was more than my opinion, and that's all that matters.

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Post by Kaboom » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:39 pm

*Ahem*

No more posts in this thread on the subject, please.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Holy crap, Broly-Yoshi!? XD

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...Please tell me there's a version of that picture without the text. :lol: Totally would go into my avatar folder.
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