"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Polyphase Avatron]

Do we have any idea how many episodes it's going to be yet?

[sbk]

Piccolo really needs some love. I think it's time to introduce a Namek god.

Well, if Freeza can become near-Beerus level with a few months of training, I don't see why Piccolo can't.

I feel like way too many people are missing why this works for Freeza but doesn't really apply to other characters.

Before his revival in Fukkatsu no F, Freeza had never trained a day in his life. As soon as he reached maturity (or possibly sooner), he was born with the incredible battle power that it takes a Super Saiyan to defeat. In addition to that, he is thought to be a prodigy among his race. Because of this, once he actually DOES decide to train, it doesn't take long for him to become much more powerful. Compare this to Goku, born with a battle power of 2, training all of his young and a portion of his adult life to become strong enough to defeat non-Golden Freeza.

Because of this, that same explanation wouldn't work at all on Piccolo. It could work on someone like Goten or Trunks who also appear to be prodigies, but different people peak at different times in their life and have different potentials. Any given character's potential is up to Toriyama to decide.

That's not to say that non-Saiyans couldn't find a means to tap into Godly ki, however.

Piccolo fused Kami is way more of a 'prodigy' than Freeza tho

In the manga, Grand Elder Guru says that the Nameless Namek's original potential was so great that only a Super Saiyan could have a chance at defeating him.

'Nameless Namek' is Piccolo+Kami before they seperated.

Piccolo becoming Beerus-tier after a few months of training is no less believable than Freeza

Same with #18 and Buu, seeing as they're much stronger than Freeza with zero training

[JamesOwnz]

So is there any big events up coming where we will get more info?

Not even 3 months away... got to think we'll get some soon.

[Lord Beerus]

Do we have any idea how many episodes it's going to be yet?

I think it may be somewhere around 60-80 episodes we'll get.

[batistabus]

Piccolo fused Kami is way more of a 'prodigy' than Freeza tho

Apparently not, as he trains constantly and doesn't get such insane power boosts (unless he combines himself with another Namekian).

[dbzfan7]

Piccolo really needs some love. I think it's time to introduce a Namek god.

Well, if Freeza can become near-Beerus level with a few months of training, I don't see why Piccolo can't.

I feel like way too many people are missing why this works for Freeza but doesn't really apply to other characters.

Before his revival in Fukkatsu no F, Freeza had never trained a day in his life. As soon as he reached maturity (or possibly sooner), he was born with the incredible battle power that it takes a Super Saiyan to defeat. In addition to that, he is thought to be a prodigy among his race. Because of this, once he actually DOES decide to train, it doesn't take long for him to become much more powerful. Compare this to Goku, born with a battle power of 2, training all of his young and a portion of his adult life to become strong enough to defeat non-Golden Freeza.

Because of this, that same explanation wouldn't work at all on Piccolo. It could work on someone like Goten or Trunks who also appear to be prodigies, but different people peak at different times in their life and have different potentials. Any given character's potential is up to Toriyama to decide.

That's not to say that non-Saiyans couldn't find a means to tap into Godly ki, however.

Ask anyone if Freeza could have gotten this strong before FNF, and chances are they'd have said there's no way he could. I could even ask my younger brother who probably knows nothing about the new stuff, and he'd probably never think such a thing is possible. I could ask my sister the same question too. They know the series but I doubt they followed any further after the original ending.

Anyone can out of nowhere become that strong in my opinion. I don't think there is no restrictions or logical fallacies anymore that limit people. If Toriyama wants Ginyu back, BAM he'll be super strong. If Toriyama want's Piccolo to get super strong in 1 week, BAM he will. After FNF there is no limit to just how possibly absurd an idea can be. The real question is "Will Toriyama write other characters into the realm of the gods?" There is no real reason Piccolo can't become that strong until the universe states up front it's impossible for him to do so.

[batistabus]

Anyone can out of nowhere become that strong in my opinion.

Yes, but anyone besides Freeza would need a different/better explanation than an off-screen vaguely-defined training session.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

- With the next two DB movies a success, could Toei do a twentieth film under the Dragon Ball Super label? I would like to see the true origins and backstory of the Saiyan Race before Freeza took control.

- I could see Super likely altering the events of GT otherwise it would take place after EoGT.

[dbzfan7]

Anyone can out of nowhere become that strong in my opinion.

Yes, but anyone besides Freeza would need a different/better explanation than an off-screen vaguely-defined training session.

Even Freeza had a pretty mediocre explanation I think. Piccolo could just randomly be stated to have done really really really serious training in maybe a year...I dunno. Honestly I can see them even saying that. I don't think we'll be getting any real concrete explanations anymore. We had hardly anything for SSGSS and Golden Freeza, so I don't hold my breathe for any other gains. They're more plot driven now than ever before I'd believe (Kinda like Zenkai's were), rather than based on some form of consistency.

[Vice]

Yes, but anyone besides Freeza would need a different/better explanation than an off-screen vaguely-defined training session.

Same thing Goku and Vegeta are getting, training with Whis.

[EXBadguy]

Y'know something?

I think I'm gonna have to wait until I hear from a word of mouth, becuz the more I think about this, the more scared I am becuz, one, the animation, and two, Toriyama fucking up once again like he did with DB Minus and the two movies(mostly BoG). I honestly wish Toei called in another writer besides Toriyama, a writer who understands and remembers Toriyama's story and be consistent as possible. With that being said, I will not join in the hype train and anticipate for the premiere. Gotta see a reception!

Shit like DB Minus can really make you hate the series. I almost stopped being a fan of the series after reading a chapter of it.

[dbzfan7]

Yes, but anyone besides Freeza would need a different/better explanation than an off-screen vaguely-defined training session.

Same thing Goku and Vegeta are getting, training with Whiz.

I could see this too. Piccolo has in record had some monstrous gains, so I could see him being a pupil of Whis. I'm shocked he isn't since he still likes to fight and train. Maybe he's too pride filled to submit himself under someone?

[Hellspawn28]

I still think the show will likely take place after Goku leaves with Uub. It won't be confusing if people where watching the final episode of Kai and they find out the next show that airs after it does not pick off where it left off with Goku and Uub? It may not be a issue with long time fans but it can be a issue with other people that are new to watching the series on TV.

[miguelnuva1]

This is just me but I would love to see Goku and Chi-Chi have another kid around Pan and Bra's age that actually wants to fight and be like Goku.

[jcogginsa]

This is just me but I would love to see Goku and Chi-Chi have another kid around Pan and Bra's age that actually wants to fight and be like Goku.

That's Pan in a nutshell though

[Lord Beerus]

Y'know something?

I think I'm gonna have to wait until I hear from a word of mouth, becuz the more I think about this, the more scared I am becuz, one, the animation, and two, Toriyama fucking up once again like he did with DB Minus and the two movies(mostly BoG). I honestly wish Toei called in another writer besides Toriyama, a writer who understands and remembers Toriyama's story and be consistent as possible. With that being said, I will not join in the hype train and anticipate for the premiere. Gotta see a reception!

Shit like DB Minus can really make you hate the series. I almost stopped being a fan of the series after reading a chapter of it.

DB Minus is just one fifteen page chapter. It's not like a published series with several volumes.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Y'know something? I honestly wish Toei called in another writer besides Toriyama, a writer who understands and remembers Toriyama's story and be consistent as possible.
Shit like DB Minus can really make you hate the series. I almost stopped being a fan of the series after reading a chapter of it.

Exactly. I'm very skeptical about what this series would bother going to seeing how the direction its taking isnt really at all expanding on anything really new. I'm even more worried about more plotholes, shallow/generic storylines, Goku favouritsm, the 10 year gap-lock and all the other problems from FNF to carry over. Everything just feels so fanficky now and I can barely take modern DBZ remotely seriously these days and nothing is ever explained on screen anymore. And please no more Saiyan transformations.

[EXBadguy]

Y'know something?

I think I'm gonna have to wait until I hear from a word of mouth, becuz the more I think about this, the more scared I am becuz, one, the animation, and two, Toriyama fucking up once again like he did with DB Minus and the two movies(mostly BoG). I honestly wish Toei called in another writer besides Toriyama, a writer who understands and remembers Toriyama's story and be consistent as possible. With that being said, I will not join in the hype train and anticipate for the premiere. Gotta see a reception!

Shit like DB Minus can really make you hate the series. I almost stopped being a fan of the series after reading a chapter of it.

DB Minus is just one fifteen page chapter. It's not like a published series with several volumes.

Well yeah, a page or two can either really ruin your love for the series or lose respect for Toriyama as an artist...at least the current Toriyama.

[Theophrastus]

So I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but after thinking on it a bit, I think I know at least one solid reason why a simuldub will (probably) not happen: cast availability.

I won't go into it too deeply, but recently I did see the topic of the simuldubs talked about on Sonny Strait's FB page, and it came up that because of how fast moving the process for those dubs are, everyone has to be extremely, EXTREMELY local to get a part in one of those. As in, they pretty much have to be in the same town that FUNi's main studio is. Even Houston and other areas of Texas are considered too far away apparently.

Now, with that in mind - Sean Schemmel (Goku), Kyle Hebert (Gohan), and Laura Bailey (Trunks) just off the top of my head are no longer in Texas. Not to mention that others of the cast may not be in the same parts of Texas as FUNi is either. That could cause a problem on that front. So really, I think the most we can hope for (and I really hope it does happen) is a simulcast, not a simuldub.

Not quite the same situation, but Mike McFarland was on the One Piece Podcast as a guest like a month or two ago, and when the subject of the possibility of that series getting a Broadcast Dub came up he basically said that it would a horrible logistical nightmare to even attempt such a thing due to the large amount of characters and voice actors involved, and the fact that apparently any given episode of any Broadcast Dub has a very strict one week turnover period.

He did note that it wouldn't necessarily be impossible, and obviously the Dragon Ball franchise isn't quite comparable to One Piece in terms of sheer number of characters, but...I wouldn't be surprised if it was too much of a headache for Funimation to bother trying, even with Dragon Ball being Dragon Ball.

[JulieYBM]

Each episode will probably be allowed $90,000-100,000 USD, but no more than 3,000 cels/sheets for in-betweens and three hundred cuts for key animation.

Why do think DBS would get no more than 3,000 cels/sheets per episode?

All modern Toei Animation series are allowed only 3,000 sheets per episode. Unless sheets are taken from another episode a single episode is only going to have about 3,000 unless Fuji TV and Bandai really pump the series flush with extra cash to make something better.