Polyphase Avatron wrote:I like the lampshading of how the term "semi-perfect Cell" doesn't really make sense (is that an official term or a fan term BTW?)
Also the return of "Thwarting my plans", and Cell humming his theme song
Some of the video games use "Semi-Perfect." Oddly enough, Legacy of Goku II uses "Non-Perfect," instead, which I think is kinda funny.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:I like the lampshading of how the term "semi-perfect Cell" doesn't really make sense (is that an official term or a fan term BTW?)
Also the return of "Thwarting my plans", and Cell humming his theme song
Some of the video games use "Semi-Perfect." Oddly enough, Legacy of Goku II uses "Non-Perfect," instead, which I think is kinda funny.
The main ones (Budokai, Tenkaichi, Raging Blast) simply use "2nd Form", I do remember a trailer for Tenkaichi 1 that had Schemmel use "Imperfect Cell".
I think what makes the Krillin Owned count work so well is that Krillin actually is really awesome. He's always the first to the fight despite being routinely out of his league, he constantly stands up to scary people, constantly stands up for his friends, and is just generally one of the most heroic characters in the franchise. Because we know he keeps getting back up after, the Owned count doesn't feel all that mean-spirited. Cell tanking the Kienzan, on the other hand...
KaiserNeko wrote:We've actually been focusing this season on redeeming his status. Which is why the whole Kienzan nonsense isn't going to stick in our series.
So does that mean there are regrets now for some of the completely made up owned scenes such as pimp slapped off the look out, snapping his neck, being puked on, hit by a plane, etc?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I seem to recall that a more proper translation of "kanzentai" is actually "complete", rather than "perfect", and I think that makes a whole lot more sense. "Semi-Complete Cell" makes more sense than "Semi-Perfect Cell" to me.
Great episode ! I would be cool if there was a song in every episode! I guess that would be hard to do since there wouldn't be many opportunities for the characters to start singing. Semi-Perfect Cell was more enjoyable here than he was in the anime. I'm going to miss that fishy-lipped bastard.
CaBrPi wrote:I seem to recall that a more proper translation of "kanzentai" is actually "complete", rather than "perfect", and I think that makes a whole lot more sense. "Semi-Complete Cell" makes more sense than "Semi-Perfect Cell" to me.
Of course, that completely undermines the joke.
But it still doesn't work. You are either complete or incomplete.
KaiserNeko wrote:We've actually been focusing this season on redeeming his status. Which is why the whole Kienzan nonsense isn't going to stick in our series.
So does that mean there are regrets now for some of the completely made up owned scenes such as pimp slapped off the look out, snapping his neck, being puked on, hit by a plane, etc?
Actually, no. Because those were not his fault, just bad luck. The ones we do feel bad about are him hitching out Bulma, being ragged on by Roshi, and others that ultimately made him deserved of said punishment. Kuririn's misfortune is much better served when he perseveres in the face of undeserved adversity.
KaiserNeko wrote:We've actually been focusing this season on redeeming his status. Which is why the whole Kienzan nonsense isn't going to stick in our series.
So does that mean there are regrets now for some of the completely made up owned scenes such as pimp slapped off the look out, snapping his neck, being puked on, hit by a plane, etc?
Actually, no. Because those were not his fault, just bad luck. The ones we do feel bad about are him hitching out Bulma, being ragged on by Roshi, and others that ultimately made him deserved of said punishment. Kuririn's misfortune is much better served when he perseveres in the face of undeserved adversity.
That's interesting. I'd personally think only the deserved one's are the one's I'd feel fine about depending what said are (Unless they're stupid like a couple in Super were), and the undeserved one's as just plain cruel.
Anyways I found this series of reactions where the thing is, one of the guys has never seen Dragon Ball, and literally DBZA is how he's experiencing the story. I think it's interesting to see his reactions to the series via the abridged series, and how at least from where I am (Didn't start from the beginning) they try to hide spoilers and let the one guy experience it all for the first time. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... uUqYHYCtiv
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
First, this episode was fantastic. Perfect Cell was totally worth the wait, and I'm very much looking forward to the coming episodes.
Second, I just binged the first season of Machinabridged, and I loved it. Best character is probably Barrett, but the extended Shinra family come in at a close conglomerate second.
Third, a quick question. Will you be covering the pre-Cell Games filler? Or will you all be skipping ahead to the tournament after Cell makes his announcement?
Know what would be a neat Easter Egg? If Raditz was put in the crowd of the Afterlife Tournament as throwback to the first season when he was running amok in the afterlife.
Also Nappa producing the "Cell Games Footage" during the Buu Saga.
ShadowBardock89 wrote:Also Nappa producing the "Cell Games Footage" during the Buu Saga.
I think that's quite likely. I recall a Freeza Arc episode(the one where Vegeta is being healed after his first Zarbon fight(??)), where Nappa makes a cameo, but where the footage is taken from the Saiyaman episode, where Gohan is on a filmset and runs into a Nappa lookalike(who was a director or something or maybe that was the General Red lookalike(??)). So perhaps they already thought about this scenario all that time ago?
According to last Freeza Saga episode (Episode 30 part 3), Nappa is the one, who discovered "Mark" Satan, so i wouldn't be surprised
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coola wrote:According to last Freeza Saga episode (Episode 30 part 3), Nappa is the one, who discovered "Mark" Satan, so i wouldn't be surprised
For all we know Nappa tricks Mr. Satan into thinking the Cell Games are actually a recording for his movie. Considering that made up film we see later when Mr. Satan takes all the credit...
If they ever make a Xenoverse 2, I would love to see a battle of Dumplin and Towa vs Champa and Vados.
Because I didn't notice the slight aesthetic similarities until I saw them in this past weekend's episode, but "short, chubby grey character hanging out with a tall, slim, white-haired, blue female who has a magic staff" fits both of those pairs.