"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by MaGyunia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:37 pm

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ArcaneSuperSaiyan wrote:Does anyone know what was up with the scene where Roshi runs into Goku's house yelling something and ChiChi kicks him out? It kind of seemed like he was trying to warn them about something and ChiChi got mad that Goku would have to fight again.

So I'm wondering ...could Roshi sense Beerus...?
He heard Goku just got a lot of money, and wanted some to buy adult DVDs.
Was probably my least favorite moment of the episode, it wasent even funny, just a plain ass pulled moment. Roshi island should be atleast 3000km away from gokus house anyway.
Randomness can actually be seen as a form of humor, one which I particularly am very fond of, and there are plenty throughout DB and DBZ. I laughed my ass off when I suddenly saw Muten Roshi burst out of nowhere inside Chi Chi's house talking about buying sukebe DVDs, especially because none of the information we've been getting on Super in the last days and weeks could possibly lead any of us to anticipate such a scene. Surprising and great way to introduce Muten Roshi in the series right from the start, in fact. He got lucky this time, he didn't get knocked to the ground, or his glasses broken or hit by a frying pan or anything.

Every character who used to be at some point in the 80's and 90's a major character in a particular arc or more than one deserves and needs to have their screen time just like this, obviously taking account their background and characters. I bet you we'll see not only more of Muten Roshi but also the re-introduction of most or indeed all of the most important members of the team, and this obviously includes (it must include, I'd be very disappointed if it didn't) Yamcha and especially the Tenshinhan-Chaozu duo, among many others, in scenes, circumstances and settings that fit them in all aspects, at least for a couple of minutes.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by GokuRules987 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:40 pm

Beerus destroys half of the planet by just tapping with his finger, You never see superman doing that shit, he will probably need to be sun dipped for a pretty long time to even be able to do something like that.
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GokuRules987 wrote:Beerus destroys half of the planet by just tapping with his finger, You never see superman doing that shit, he will probably need sun dipped for a pretty long time to even be able to do something like that.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by GokuRules987 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:45 pm

Doctor. wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote:Beerus destroys half of the planet by just tapping with his finger, You never see superman doing that shit, he will probably need sun dipped for a pretty long time to even be able to do something like that.
SSJ GOD GOKU> SUPERMAN
Superman sneezed a Solar System out of existence.
Ahh silver age version Superman! Which most supes fanboys on comicvine consider him to be nigh-omnipotent and stronger than superman prime one million!
Then that makes beerus a casual universe buster.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Sora Saiyan » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:45 pm

Doctor. wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote:Beerus destroys half of the planet by just tapping with his finger, You never see superman doing that shit, he will probably need sun dipped for a pretty long time to even be able to do something like that.
SSJ GOD GOKU> SUPERMAN
Superman sneezed a Solar System out of existence.
Wasn't that with pixie dust which amplified his powers... Anyway this isn't the place..

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by bleed0range » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:46 pm

Okay so I finally got a chance to watch it and my thoughts are below...

- The opening sequence was beautifully animated and I love it. The song is pretty great too. I love the flashes of SSJ God and what not hinting at what is to come. Reminds me of the shadowy figures of Vegeta/Nappa marching forward during Chala Head Chala. Like many, the shot of Goku and Vegeta walking towards that portal gave me goosebumps. It was surprising to me just how great the animation looked though.

- I loved the stuff with Goku & Goten, that was great. Kind of bummed the daydreaming about Freeza stuff wasn't in there though.

- I love how they finally are explaining away that the people don't even realize Buu is the guy Satan saved the world from. We've needed a scene for years showing the initial freak out of people seeing Buu and Satan explaining who he is/what he is. It's nice to finally see how it went down. I love that he really pissed Buu off but stood his ground. That was funny. Buu could destroy the whole planet if he got mad enough.. he could split into an evil incarnation again for all he knew.. but Satan would NOT back down in front of the people! That took guts!!

- I didn't so much love the Goten/Trunks silly storyline. But I never really liked their silly storylines in DBZ either. The snake thing is typical filler fluff between action in the arcs. Not too interesting. I know a lot of people liked this part, but it didn't do it for me.

- I thought the scene between Mr. Satan and Goku was actually kind of touching. Goku just didn't want to take the suitcase and Satan was very kind to insist that he have it because he deserved it.

- Again the animation overall was very impressive. There were only a few things I didn't like. Some of the oddly placed digital effects in the Beerus banquet scene. Although they were okay.

- Speaking of Beerus, touching the ground and blowing away half the palnet.. Pretty awesome. love the foreshadowing of Beerus being out and about in the Galaxy.

- I'm looking forward to the next episode more then this one! Can't wait to see what happens next. Can't wait to meet Champa. Can't wait to see how this plays out differently and eventually the Universe 6 stuff!

My rating? 9.0/10

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by irreality » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:49 pm

GokuRules987 wrote:
UpFromTheSkies wrote:
ArcaneSuperSaiyan wrote:Does anyone know what was up with the scene where Roshi runs into Goku's house yelling something and ChiChi kicks him out? It kind of seemed like he was trying to warn them about something and ChiChi got mad that Goku would have to fight again.

So I'm wondering ...could Roshi sense Beerus...?
He heard Goku just got a lot of money, and wanted some to buy adult DVDs.
Was probably my least favorite moment of the episode, it wasent even funny, just a plain ass pulled moment. Roshi island should be atleast 3000km away from gokus house anyway.
Well, Mr. Satan was asking different people (maybe he just asked Vegeta) to take the money before he asked Goku, maybe Bulma gossiped over the phone that Goku would end up getting the money. So he might have had ample time to fly over. Also Roshi's island is not that far away from where Goku lives -- they live as close together as possible given Roshi lives offshore:
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by bleed0range » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:51 pm

irreality wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote:
UpFromTheSkies wrote: He heard Goku just got a lot of money, and wanted some to buy adult DVDs.
Was probably my least favorite moment of the episode, it wasent even funny, just a plain ass pulled moment. Roshi island should be atleast 3000km away from gokus house anyway.
Well, Mr. Satan was asking different people (maybe he just asked Vegeta) to take the money before he asked Goku, maybe Bulma gossiped over the phone that Goku would end up getting the money. So he might have had ample time to fly over. Also Roshi's island is not that far away from where Goku lives -- they live as close together as possible given Roshi lives offshore:
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I think the joke was, Mr. Satan told Goku not to tell anybody and he told everybody.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by dbgtFO » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:54 pm

Doctor. wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote:Beerus destroys half of the planet by just tapping with his finger, You never see superman doing that shit, he will probably need sun dipped for a pretty long time to even be able to do something like that.
SSJ GOD GOKU> SUPERMAN
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Is this really happening now?
Can't we just keep that discussion to its thread over in the fan-created Works section?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by irreality » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:01 pm

bleed0range wrote:I think the joke was, Mr. Satan told Goku not to tell anybody and he told everybody.
I thought Mr. Satan was just reaffirming Goku's commitment that they shouldn't tell the wider world he was a fraud? (ie. the money was hush money) Not that he shouldn't tell his friends he got money in general?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by bleed0range » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:23 pm

irreality wrote:
bleed0range wrote:I think the joke was, Mr. Satan told Goku not to tell anybody and he told everybody.
I thought Mr. Satan was just reaffirming Goku's commitment that they shouldn't tell the wider world he was a fraud? (ie. the money was hush money) Not that he shouldn't tell his friends he got money in general?
Maybe I misunderstood. I took it he didn't want anyone to know he got the money because why would Satan be giving him that much money?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Doctor. » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:27 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote:Beerus destroys half of the planet by just tapping with his finger, You never see superman doing that shit, he will probably need sun dipped for a pretty long time to even be able to do something like that.
SSJ GOD GOKU> SUPERMAN
Superman sneezed a Solar System out of existence.
Is this really happening now?
Can't we just keep that discussion to its thread over in the fan-created Works section?
If you noticed, I didn't continue the discussion, it was clearly a joke.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by MaGyunia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:29 pm

All in all, this first episode managed to contain or pack quite a large chunk of different events from all angles (Goten + Trunks, Gohan + Videl, Beerus, Goku + Goten, Mr. Satan + Goku, Mr. Satan + Majin Buu, Muten Roshi + Chi Chi) in a short period of time. I'm not postulating they're rushing these first lighter, softer episodes to get to the more action/fighting-oriented or serious and dramatic tone of the series, which, if it will happen at all, will most likely have a different tone to it when compared to the genocidal maniacal villains and all the seriousness and drama we had in pretty much all arcs throughout DBZ. The series might get more violent when we finally get past these first introducing episodes, the retelling of the story of Beerus and Whis, the introduction of Champa and his attendant, the attaining by Goku and Vegeta of the stage of Super Saiya-jin God, the resurrection, training and defeat of Freeza and we get to the episodes where we start dealing with the 6th Universe. At this point we can only speculate at what sort of villains or characters or events may happen, but it will really be the first material which will be both completely new/previously unknown or unexplored and at the same time featuring the type of insane fighting and blood and guts any long-time hardcore DBZ fan should want and need.

Regarding the comparison between the first and second episodes, as I said before, it's just natural to be more hyped about the concept of a Vegeta's family fun time when compared to laid back, humorous or smooth events occurring in Goku's family, considering the huge difference in the characters and the fact that Vegeta was first introduced in the Saiya-jin Saga as a major villain with psychopathic violent tendencies, a killing machine with a wish for immortality and for ruling the universe as the prince of a fighting race. It took him - and Toriyama - gradual, very slow and incremental changes in his relationship with others and with himself over the Freeza, Jinzouningen and Majin Buu arcs to reach the point where he can no longer be considered the "evil guy amongst the good guys". We're past that, Vegeta is a family man, but that shouldn't and won't mean he'll lose any of his inability to adapt to society in general and toss away his humongous pride and stoic, serious, reserved character. It wouldn't be Vegeta at all if that ever happened.

Judging from the information we've been getting in the last days and weeks and yesterday's first episode and the preview of the second one, I'd say with a fair degree of certainty and confidence that they're doing things just the right way: a few episodes of character development, covering the retold stories of Beerus, Whis, Super Saiya-jin God Goku and Vegeta and Freeza - BoG and Fukkatsu no F are obviously going to be made "non-canon" although the new characters and developments will be introduced just the same, only in different circumstances and at a different time - and then, finally, moving to the really new material. One might automatically associate the search for "Super Dragon Balls" outside of Earth to the Namek Saga or GT, but the main point of the storylines in DB and especially DBZ has never been to collect the Dragon Balls as it was in the earlier arcs in DB, but to survive and fight in dramatic circumstances against insanely powerful new menaces (although they obviously end up using Shenlong to repair the damage done after every major arc), and I hope they'll follow this trend in Super as well. I want things to get to a point where the circumstances seem so desperate and the enemy is so powerful that it will take a serious and dramatic set of events and transformations to beat and/or kill them, much in the same way we had it in all the arcs from the Tenshinhan arc to the Majin Buu arc, with the Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo Jr., Saiya-jin, Freeza, Jinzouningen and Cell arcs in between. After so many years of creative inactivity and an entire new generation to attract, I'm not expecting so much gore, death, blood and guts or violent fights, but Dragon Ball has always also been about extremely well-conceived character development, both in the good guys and in the villains, and I'm sure we'll get these fundamental and structural elements of DB later on in Super.

I'm not hoping to see dramatic events such as what we've seen in the Saiya-jin, Freeza or Cell arcs, with so many deaths, genocides and violence, they won't go in that direction nor could they even if they wanted to. That atmosphere belongs to the 80's and early 90's and has earned its place in history forever. What we've seen previously in DB and DBZ is pretty much just untouchable and they can't and won't be able to equal it, let alone surpass it. As such, there goes another reason for us to approach this new recent material in recent years, especially Super, from a different standpoint and perspective. We must be able to be open-minded and remain confident about whatever Toriyama plans to develop and introduce to the Dragon Ball universe from now on, it's really not like GT where he wasn't even involved, was made in a rush and got partially or completely rid of fundamental characters with fantastic backgrounds. We must also be able to both be able to see this new, previously unexplored material from a different angle when compared to the 80's and 90's DB and DBZ, but at the same being able to connect the two and believe that whatever is coming will be a worthy continuation of the previous sagas. It's not even a matter of belief to me, it's a mere certainty, in fact. The sheer fact that Toriyama is overseeing this pretty much ensures and guarantees at least an extremely high degree of quality in terms of character development, background and storyline.

I can't actually believe we just saw the first episode of a new Dragon Ball series for 18 years yesterday. We get to get hyped about the next episode without knowing exactly all the details of what's going to happen on a weekly basis. This alone should guarantee the hype for all of us.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by goku the krump dancer » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:34 pm

Everything about this episode was great.. I love "Slice of Life" Dragon Ball. And I think what makes it better or atleast more tolerable is that we all ready know what the climax is going to be for the most part.. So this new build up should work out pretty well.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:51 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:Everything about this episode was great.. I love "Slice of Life" Dragon Ball. And I think what makes it better or atleast more tolerable is that we all ready know what the climax is going to be for the most part.. So this new build up should work out pretty well.
I hope they throw us some curve balls in the BoG and F arcs, for instance I would love it if instead of it just being Beerus going to Earth it is both Beerus and Champa and then Goku and Vegeta both become gods to fight them.
And throw Abo, Cado and their fusion Aka into the F arc to fight Goten, Trunks and Gotenks.

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Post by MaGyunia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:59 pm

When I was watching the commercials before the episode and the clock approached 9:00 I thought I entered another universe or something. When the first animation of DBSuper showed up a few minutes later tears came into my eyes and I felt like an overly enthusiastic little kid for the first time at this degree ever since... I can't even recall. All the time throughout the episode I felt like I was part of a chunk of the world of hardcore DBZ fans just like me who were feeling just the same way I was at the same time, watching the same enormously significant event at the exact same time.

It was really quite an experience. I guess from now on the sensation won't be as strong and it will gradually become one more weekly special but recurrent event in my life I'll be following every 1am on Sundays as the episodes keep piling up, but the excitement over the unknown material, stories, characters and events will compensate for that in the medium/long-term.

To sum it all up, I think that given the settings and circumstances, I can't think of any other way they could have possibly started the series with this first episode in a better way than they did, and that includes not only the episode events themselves, but the opening, closing, preview of the second episode, music, atmosphere, animation, everything. I'm entirely confident that all of our extremely positive reviews so far are not a consequence of the fact that it's just a new series after 18 years. Sure, after a long period of creative inactivity we've had Kai, the 2008 movie, Episode of Bardock, BoG and Fukkatsu no F as new material, but this time around we're talking about a series of episodes, which is an entirely different concept.

What a wonderful experience. I'm glad I felt that I was sharing it with a lot of folks all around the world at the same time. I still get overly hyped when I recall those minutes before the episode aired and when it finally started.

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Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:07 pm

So what would you guys like for Goku's outfit when they go to Universe 6? His BoG outfit, his F outfit, his EoZ outfit or something completely new? I was fiddling with the Extreme Butoden sprites and his F outfit with EoZ(anime) colors looks really good and I'd be totally down for that.
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Post by SMKirbyZX » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:11 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:So what would you guys like for Goku's outfit when they go to Universe 6? His BoG outfit, his F outfit, his EoZ outfit or something completely new? I was fiddling with the Extreme Butoden sprites and his F outfit with EoZ(anime) colors looks really good and I'd be totally down for that.
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Honestly, what he wears depends on when he's going to universe 6.

I'd love to see his EoZ outfit though. IMO, it's the best looking outfit Goku has worn, but I doubt it's going to show up.

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Post by MaGyunia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:11 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
goku the krump dancer wrote:Everything about this episode was great.. I love "Slice of Life" Dragon Ball. And I think what makes it better or atleast more tolerable is that we all ready know what the climax is going to be for the most part.. So this new build up should work out pretty well.
I hope they throw us some curve balls in the BoG and F arcs, for instance I would love it if instead of it just being Beerus going to Earth it is both Beerus and Champa and then Goku and Vegeta both become gods to fight them.
And throw Abo, Cado and their fusion Aka into the F arc to fight Goten, Trunks and Gotenks.
The fact that Beerus is awake 6 months after the defeat of Kid Buu instead of 4 years later is obviously the catalyst for the need to introduce Beerus, Whis and the concept of Super Saiya-jin God in a different setting. As a result of that, not only BoG and FnF will become "non-canon", much in the same way the previous movies and GT have to be looked at, but also the 2008 special, hence I highly doubt we'll even ever hear about Abo, Kado or Tarble in DBSuper.
I think that, unlike Beerus and Whis, they see Tarble lacking the potential to become and interesting character.

The way to achieve Super Saiya-jin God will need to be different from what we've seen in BoG as well, taking into account the fact that Pan hasn't even been thought of, let alone conceived. And then we'll move on to the Fukkatsu no F arc, and I'm pretty hyped about that too, as we'll - most likely - get to see, beyond what we've seen in the movie, Goku and Vegeta's decision to train with Whis, Freeza training and Goku and Vegeta somehow achieving the stage of Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin.

Z shouldn't have ended the way it did, with that last Tenkaichi Budokai 10 years later and the introduction of Uub, as whatever happens during the arcs in DBSuper will eventually and inevitably lead to that, and the picture doesn't really fit. By the time of Uub's appearance and that last Tenkaichi Budokai, there's nothing to indicate that Goku and Vegeta have attained the stages of Super Saiya-jin God and Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin, or that they have been dealing with Beerus, Whis, Champa, Champa's attendant and whatever new characters will be introduced in the 6th Universe arc.

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Post by MaGyunia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:21 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:So what would you guys like for Goku's outfit when they go to Universe 6? His BoG outfit, his F outfit, his EoZ outfit or something completely new? I was fiddling with the Extreme Butoden sprites and his F outfit with EoZ(anime) colors looks really good and I'd be totally down for that.
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Between those, I honestly would prefer the BoG outfit. Goku's outfit, as well as Vegeta's, in Fukkatsu no F aren't as appealing to me as their already known ones. As for the outfit worn in the last Tenkaichi Budokai, I've never been a real fan, especially due to the color scheme. In both Fukkatsu no F and in EoZ Goku's outfit makes him look too relaxed, unlike Vegeta, whose outfits make him appear always battle-ready. I'd rather see Goku maintaining his BoG outfit as it's the color scheme he has worn throughout the entirety of DB and DBZ with some minor exceptions, and the same goes for Gohan when he's fighting (although my personal favorite outfit as far as Gohan goes is his Cell Games outfit, with the cape on).

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