Well, you can say that ;p, but isn't complete truth. I mean I consider only Toryiama as cannon one which had to take place in both manga and anime to be considered as it by me. Also At least it can not be some error with constistency and looking too big to be ommited, that why I prefer ssg over kaiokenx10ssb against hit. Also hit's ability working only on weaker or on par characters is completly Toryiama, see example of Guldo attacking someone of caliber of freeza, good luck Guldo.TheMikado wrote:So basically you believe in the manga power levels.ssbgoku wrote:Hello guys, I know most of you or at least more of you give up about power levels/comparision and just accept to make Everyone as strong as plot required to be but I guess there is still way to make sense out of it, so hear me out:
Notes:
1) I take ssg above current ss3 goku, just because I believe Akira either meant something deeper or it was retconn with super Saiyan god power absorbed. I believe Akira meant that goku absorbed this power which was crimson fire burning inside him but it was slowly fading away while super Saiyan allowed him to hang on this fire and prolong it a bit more before fire fades away to just ember/small fire and then goku needed whis's training to bring it back through ssb transformation
2) I consider Copy water arc as filler, especially the fight with gotenks and between goku and vegeta as it wasn't also in the manga. I mean even although anime adressed it in trunks arc, it was still only short mention but no details about fight. IN other words Copy water arc happened in cannon but the fighting scenes and outcomes would be totally different as there weren't any flashbacks to it as it was to Z's scenes(ss2 kid gohan).
3) At this point ssb stacked up with kaiokenx10 should be treated as filler or non-cannon as we saw in current episode especially where gowasu watched goku fighting against hit and they cut off tournament fight just after goku turned ssb and fought hit(some can say that was only point about episode, mortal gaining divine ki), however then why not go futher and show kaiokenx10 ssb to make Zamasu even more pissed and going for it.
Finally about episode itself.
1) About Zamasu everyone already explained how Zamasu fought well and on par with ssb goku(refference to goku comparing Zamasu potential to beerus's power), while he would either allowed Trunks to hitting him on and hurt him to show off his immortality and make him give up hope, more helpless. Unless Zamasu's immortal body make him just as strong as his opponent to further increase his battle power and never let him loose which would be pretty hax and tricky ability.
2) About SSR Black fighting against Goku, it was ok but you can clearly see Black's sadistic side and enjoying making other pain while being only supperior (Zamasu demanded to leave killing goku to him, so it could be this or Black goku's body being thrilled fighting against goku for some reason). Lastly about Trunks matching SSR Black, well first we need to know that from context Black was only focused on attacking goku as he considered trunks not threat and bug to him. Trunks just sneaked in and suprised Black, also Black seems to lower or raise his power in seconds just like goku, why would he do that ?, simply to keep pushing himself and raising his battle power by fighting equally or on par enemy. About SSR black clashing with Trunks's sword, well maybe ki's density requires a lot more ki to overpower iron/metal so it could be at point too.
The most important fact is that neither of Trunks attack make any impact on Black or Zamasu and goku cofirms it, so you only need to find explanation why either Black or Zamasu hold back or just got suprised/sneaked in by him...Either that or Trunks is actually in process of transforming in ssb, the state like goku was as ss against beerus...
Funny they again forgot to adress to ss2 and differ from ss... really hilarious. Lastly about SS Trunks taking on Kamehameha of SSR Black, either ssb goku absorbed and tanked most of it, or for sake of not killing them Zamasu tanked and protected a bit Trunks to not kill him right away to prolong torture of them... they are both sadistic so expect unexpected.
Or Devilman(anyone remember this dude from db) using devil beams to blow someone who has evil in himself/herself. Of course Toryiama would make it ineffective...
Copy water arc just didin't happen in manga at all, and seeing how poorly it was executed a long with lack of deeper meaning to it, it was surely just extra padding bodering on filler material. Still I can prefer ssb transformation in anime over manga in u6 where it doesn't make you less then 10% if you tranform in and out in sequence... but that me. Besides that Anime is bascially same as manga, with some fanservice thrown at us make us hyped for battle and more pulled into.
At least in this episode they surely make great job not brining kaioken back through godtube surely hoping people will just forget it otherwise people would ask why goku didn't use kaioken here against both Black and Zamasu, surelly it would give him chance.
. I also rewatched the episode and came to the same conclusion. It is the most easy and simple explanation for what this episode has shown. Unless you want to find excusse and thought about some deeper explaining.... Also something to note is that goku shouted to Trunks and moved in his direction(probably to push him out of the Kamekahea way and taking it on himself if not being able to escape it). It proves only that goku was concerned and felt like Trunks would be killed by it... so that it.
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