Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

Seriously, every time someone says this they're putting a lot of extra words in Toriyama's mouth. What the man said ultimately means little more than "it didn't feel as big as 50x to me when I drew things." If he were really trying to say, "I declare as the original author that Super Saiyan only increases one's strength by 10x, and the 50x notion is a blatant falsehood," then does anyone really think Shueisha would still repeat the 50x tidbit in that very same book?

I take issue with that accusation, unless my interpretation is wrong.
Because honestly that part of the interview couldn't be more direct. He says 50 fold was an exaggeration when he did it, from my knowledge nothing forward in the manga or from the man himself contradicts this. So if I want to interpret his work correctly, Super Saiyan at that moment is less than 50x fold, I would call this a fact.

Why does he have to say it formally for it to mean what it means? Seriously, isn't that just being pedantic? Or how does Shueisha actions negate his words? Are we supposed to take any action from Shueisha as infallible?

His part about the 10 fold is open to interpretation because of "from what it was up to that point", which could be in reference to many things. Now the first part, we have a figure(x50), that figure was too high. I see no duality.

If the man himself, posterior to this, or his work offer any contradictions. Please point me towards them.

[RandomGuy96]

Where do you feel SP Cell falls under? I keep thinking in the neighborhood of 10 Billion (With Buu Arc SSJ3 Goku at 40 Billion for perspective).

Moderately but not considerably below SS2 Gohan. Which according to my expertly crafted numbers places him at 6 billion, with SS2 Gohan at 7 billion and SS2 Goku at 7.5 billion.

[DanielSSJ]

I take issue with that accusation, unless my interpretation is wrong.
Because honestly that part of the interview couldn't be more direct. He says 50 fold was an exaggeration when he did it, from my knowledge nothing forward in the manga or from the man himself contradicts this. So if I want to interpret his work correctly, Super Saiyan at that moment is less than 50x fold, I would call this a fact.

Why does he have to say it formally for it to mean what it means? Seriously, isn't that just being pedantic? Or how does Shueisha actions negate his words? Are we supposed to take any action from Shueisha as infallible?

His part about the 10 fold is open to interpretation because of "from what it was up to that point", which could be in reference to many things. Now the first part, we have a figure(x50), that figure was too high. I see no duality.

If the man himself, posterior to this, or his work offer any contradictions. Please point me towards them.

I think the main point Kaboom is trying to get across is that if Toriyama really did intend to say that the Super Saiyan boost is factually 10x and that the 50x boost is outright wrong, Shueisha wouldn't have reprinted the 50x boost in the same book as Toriyama's statement regarding the Super Saiyan power boost. Because, if they did, then they really suck at their job.

Anyway, the whole 10x thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense anyways, because Goku was already multiplying his strength 10x and 20x with the Kaioken before he got Super Saiyan. Now, you could say that Super Saiyan was supposed to be 10x that power, but that would make the full boost 100x or 200x, which is even more exaggerated than the 50x.

Based on that and the way the statement is worded, I think Toriyama is trying to say that he thought the 50x boost was hard to imagine and that, as he drew it, it felt like a more modest 10x boost, but that if you break it down logically, it would make more sense to go with Super Saiyan being a 50-fold increase.

[Kaboom]

I think the main point Kaboom is trying to get across is that if Toriyama really did intend to say that the Super Saiyan boost is factually 10x and that the 50x boost is outright wrong, Shueisha wouldn't have reprinted the 50x boost in the same book as Toriyama's statement regarding the Super Saiyan power boost. Because, if they did, then they really suck at their job.

Yep, that's exactly the point. We're not talking about a situation where a guidebook says one thing, and then Toriyama comes up with something different months or even years later. This is something concurrent, where there's two related bits of information printed within the very same product. Shueisha hasn't hesitated to outright ditch certain power level tidbits when they've become outdated or null in the past, so why would they go so far to preserve this one that they'd actually go against the author's wishes?

Whenever this topic comes up, nobody ever has a good answer for that. Most likely just because the true answer is the one they don't want to hear: "Toriyama's not actually decreeing that <guidebook thing> is wrong." There is no contradiction here — Super Saiyan is still, officially speaking, a 50x boost, and Toriyama has not declared this incorrect. I know I probably sound excessively firm about this, but there's few things I hate more than glaring misinformation being spread. Noah asked a genuine question about something, and I'm not keen to let him be confused by slanted and fallacious answers.

Based on that and the way the statement is worded, I think Toriyama is trying to say that he thought the 50x boost was hard to imagine and that, as he drew it, it felt like a more modest 10x boost, but that if you break it down logically, it would make more sense to go with Super Saiyan being a 50-fold increase.

That's what I suspect the deal is too. Doing math is one thing, but from an artistic angle it's actually pretty hard to visualize something as large as a 50x increase in one's head, or bring it to life on paper.

[LightBing]

You're free to have your opinion and I accepted even if I disagree. But "slanted and fallacious", "they're putting a lot of extra words in Toriyama's mouth"; what's this? I answered to Noah and provided the link to the interview, so that he wouldn't just take my word for it. If he has another interpretation, I'm sure he'll say something.
I didn't add any words to it, I read it and took it as it's written. You're the one disproving the words, saying he really didn't mean it.

All I wrote was my opinion, why are you making me look like someone pushing an agenda, which you have to protect everyone from? I won't deny that the Shueisha arguments is common sense for them to do, but that doesn't make it a fact.
Even a few pages ago RandomGuy96 trashed my common sense regarding 100% Freeza, he said look at the statements. I looked he was right, even if common sense told otherwise.

So yeah, why is my view "slanted and fallacious"? If all I did was say, Mr.Toriyama said this, I think we should take his word for it since nothing contradicts it. You disagree, fine. Just be respectful.

[Speedster]

What I find extremely hypocritical is that the people who use the logic "if it were false it wouldn't be repeated in subsequent officially published material" are the same people who totally oppose to this very logic when it comes to another debate. That of kid Buu Vs Super Buu. You see Toei retained the line of Goku saying that Kid Buu is the strongest in subsequent official realises of the show, they also included it in the official anime guidebooks, they kept it in Kai and they repeated that Goku is the strongest in DB Super. So by the same logic Toei wouldn't keep repeating it if it were false. Right? See the double standard?

I am pretty sure then some will say but it is Toei Vs Shueisha. So what? A lot of things released by Shueisha regarding Dragonball are plain wrong and make no sense. They are not infallible.

On a similar note I find it ironic thinking that those "officially released by Shueisha" SSJ2 and SSJ3 multipliers are anything to go by when Toriyama himself 4 years later admitted that he didn't even remember the existence of SSJ3 or its difference from SSJ2.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/

Interviewer: Do you write down notes anywhere for that sort of background information?
Toriyama: No, I don’t do that. That’s why I keep on forgetting things. If I don’t forget stuff, new ideas won’t come to mind. For example, you know how there’s “Super Saiyan 3”?
Interviewer: Yes. Where the hair gets long.
Toriyama: I didn’t know that. (laughs) The whole time, I thought that was “Super Saiyan 2”. (laughs)
Interviewer: Whaaa?!
Toriyama: And I drew that myself. (laughs) Anyhow, I thought “2” was the one with long hair. It was like, “Man, I’ve really forgotten stuff…”.
Toriyama: Anyway, I re-read the work for the first time in ages, and you know how Super Saiyan just keeps getting flashier? When it gets to “3”, the hair even gets longer. So, I decided to pare it down as much as possible.

[DanielSSJ]

What I find extremely hypocritical is that the people who use the logic "if it were false it wouldn't be repeated in subsequent officially published material" are the same people who totally oppose to this very logic when it comes to another debate. That of kid Buu Vs Super Buu. You see Toei retained the line of Goku saying that Kid Buu is the strongest in subsequent official realises of the show, they also included it in the official anime guidebooks, they kept it in Kai and they repeated that Goku is the strongest in DB Super. So by the same logic Toei wouldn't keep repeating it if it were false. Right? See the double standard?

There is a difference. The Toriyama says Super Saiyan is 10x thing isn't contradicting something released in a guidebook years and years ago. Both Toriyama's "Super Saiyan felt like a 10-fold boost when I drew it" line and the "Super Saiyan is a 50-fold boost" statement are included in the same god dang book!

As far as the Pure Boo vs Evil Boo thing goes, we're not talking about supplementary material that is contradicting other supplementary material. We're talking about the primary source work that consistently says one thing (that Evil Boo is stronger than Goku and, by extension, Pure Boo) and an adaption of the primary work that includes a statement that is not only contradictory to the original work, but also contradictory to itself (that Pure Boo is the strongest Boo and Goku is the only one tough enough to fight him, while also retaining the "Evil Boo is too strong for Goku to fight" line from the manga. So Goku ~ Pure Boo > Evil Boo > Goku, which makes no sense.) Kai is a cut-up remastered version of the Z anime, so of course they would keep the line in, and DB Super's sloppy writing in general prevents me from counting it as a credible source of information, especially when dealing with power-relationships from 20 years ago. With the Super Saiyan power boost thing, it's supplementary material vs supplementary material. With the Boo thing, it's primary source vs secondary source.

If you want to take Toriyama's statements about the Super Saiyan power boost literally, that's fine. If you want to take the anime's statements that Pure Boo is the strongest Boo seriously, that's fine too. I just respectfully disagree.

[Kaboom]

You see Toei retained the line of Goku saying that Kid Buu is the strongest in subsequent official releases of the show, they also included it in the official anime guidebooks, they kept it in Kai and they repeated that Goku is the strongest in DB Super.

...While still keeping all the stuff from the original story which actually prevents that from being the case.

That's just Toei creating and perpetuating a contradiction, even within their own products. That'd be more like if the original work actually established plainly that Super Saiyan was a 10x boost, but the guidebooks kept saying it was 50x instead. Or even worse, if the original story itself kept bouncing back-and-forth with conflicting statements about how strong the form makes you.

But there is no such blatant contradiction at hand here with the actual "10x or 50x" situation. There's just a minority of folks who don't like a thing from a guidebook, and try to stretch a somewhat-related Toriyama comment into meaning something that it doesn't, in an attempt to discredit that guidebook thing. It's a total non-debate.

And how the heck is Toriyama confusing Super Saiyan 2 and 3 supposed to affect anything? That has nothing to do with the power boosts established by Shueisha for both those forms.

[Speedster]

Both Toriyama's "Super Saiyan felt like a 10-fold boost when I drew it" line and the "Super Saiyan is a 50-fold boost" statement are included in the same god dang book!

So what? They just suck at their job.

As far as the Pure Boo vs Evil Boo thing goes, we're not talking about supplementary material that is contradicting other supplementary material. We're talking about the primary source work that consistently says one thing (that Evil Boo is stronger than Goku and, by extension, Pure Boo) and an adaption of the primary work that includes a statement that is not only contradictory to the original work, but also contradictory to itself (that Pure Boo is the strongest Boo, and that Goku is the strongest Saiyan by extension, while also keeping in the line about Evil Boo being too strong for Goku to handle. So Goku ~ Pure Boo > Evil Boo > Goku, which makes no sense.)

Same primary source has Goku saying that "We" are powerless to stop the attack of Pure Buu which was about to destroy the Earth. To me it is obvious that Goku either was not taking SSJ3 into consideration and/or he either improved or pushed his SSJ3 boost further for his fight with kid Buu. There is literally nothing to contradict this. And in Super we saw Hit improving as well as Goku in his fight with Beerus discovering new heights to the boost of SSG.

With the Super Saiyan power boost thing, it's supplementary material vs supplementary material. With the Boo thing, it's primary source vs secondary source

Nope. It is primary source (Toriyama's interview) Vs Supplementary source (Shueisha guidebook editors). On the other hand similarly we have manga (primary source) Versus anime (secondary source).

If you want to take Toriyama's statements about the Super Saiyan power boost literally, that's fine.

There are various other ways to justify what happened. Like treating the SSJ power up like a boost that is added to one's base and appearing like a multiplier. But it is neither fixed nor constant. That explains and why Goku didn't turn SSJ1 grade 2 again or why in Super he doesn't turn SSJ2 anymore. He can train to unlock the same power boost in regular SSJ1. After all SSJ2 and SSJ3 according to Toriyama are SSJ variations. It is a different version of the one same thing - accessing a "Super Saiyan" boost. But if it were multipliers then Goku not using the other SSJ forms (SSJ1 grade 2 and SSJ2) which showed no disadvantages regarding primary fighting capabilities (power and speed) would make no sense. Yeah he increased his base with that approach he took in RoSaT. Why after that choose to multiply his (increased) base power by just 50x and not by 60x? Or why not turn SSJ2 again to multiply by 100x?

[LightBing]

This forum just got less nice.

To whom may care for a debate. There's no x10 vs x50 debate. I'll try to explain my interpretation to the best of my ability. The quote for reference: Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration. My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point.

The first part is clear, he feels like 50-fold like some have determined(I assume Shueisha is the only source for that), was an exaggeration. The second part he breaks it down. "While drawing it", I assume he's thinking back and telling us his thoughts while he was drawing Super Saiyan.
"I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point". If he just wanted to say it was 10 fold, the last words are redundant. But I think they mean something, which connects with the "while drawing it" part.
While doing the SSJ, he remembered about the Kaioken. He had to, unless his forgetfulness was so severe he forgot chapters he wrote months/weeks back. So while current Mr.Toriyama doesn't remember about the Kaioken x20, he remembers about his thought process at the time, while drawing it; a 10-fold change. Which I interpret as being x30.

Even if people disagree, is my interpretation at least logical?

[Kamiccolo9]

No, because ten times twenty is two hundred, not thirty. "A ten-fold increase" does not mean adding ten onto whatever multiplier was there earlier.

[LightBing]

No, because ten times twenty is two hundred, not thirty. "A ten-fold increase" does not mean adding ten onto whatever multiplier was there earlier.

It's ten-fold change, not ten-fold increase. I have the quote twice in my previous post.

[ekrolo2]

No, because ten times twenty is two hundred, not thirty. "A ten-fold increase" does not mean adding ten onto whatever multiplier was there earlier.

It's ten-fold change, not ten-fold increase. I have the quote twice in my previous post.

What's the difference if you don't mind my asking? I don't know English mathematical terms well so this kind of stuff tends to stump me

[Kamiccolo9]

No, because ten times twenty is two hundred, not thirty. "A ten-fold increase" does not mean adding ten onto whatever multiplier was there earlier.

It's ten-fold change, not ten-fold increase. I have the quote twice in my previous post.

What's the difference if you don't mind my asking? I don't know English mathematical terms well so this kind of stuff tends to stump me

A ten-fold "change" allows for the possibility of a decrease. That's the only difference. "ten-fold" literally means multiplying by ten, so I'm not sure what he's getting at.

[LightBing]

Yes it does allow for a possibility for a decrease. It doesn't mean it's has to be a multiplication, the 10-fold isn't isolated. There's a context. Which could mean decrease, increase, multiplication, what have you...

I notice that you add the possibility of a decrease, while saying it can only be multiplying. You can't multiply by ten and have a decrease. Which is it?

[ekrolo2]

Has anyone considered the possibility Toriyama thinks that "up to that point" meant he thought Goku's KKX20 PL being increased by an additional 50 was the exaggeration and not merely his base increasing by 50? Goku's KKX20 was basically the pinnacle of his power by that point. I mean, this isn't the Boo Saga where you can just hand wave some things with "He doesn't give a fuck anymore" so I doubt the fact KKX20 giving Goku a bigger boost than Super Saiyan would go over his head.

Its entirely possible he thought giving Goku's KKX20 PL a boost of additional 50 feels more ridiculous than giving it a mere boost of 10.

[LightBing]

Has anyone considered the possibility Toriyama thinks that "up to that point" meant he thought Goku's KKX20 PL being increased by an additional 50 was the exaggeration and not merely his base increasing by 50? Goku's KKX20 was basically the pinnacle of his power by that point. I mean, this isn't the Boo Saga where you can just hand wave some things with "He doesn't give a fuck anymore" so I doubt the fact KKX20 giving Goku a bigger boost than Super Saiyan would go over his head.

Its entirely possible he thought giving Goku's KKX20 PL a boost of additional 50 feels more ridiculous than giving it a mere boost of 10.

Never thought it like that. It isn't unreasonable that Mr.Toriyama is applying that thought process, I can see it happen.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yes it does allow for a possibility for a decrease. It doesn't mean it's has to be a multiplication, the 10-fold isn't isolated. There's a context. Which could mean decrease, increase, multiplication, what have you...

I notice that you add the possibility of a decrease, while saying it can only be multiplying. You can't multiply by ten and have a decrease. Which is it?

You can have a ten fold decrease by multiplying by a negative. Which obviously isn't the case here, but you're the one who brought up "change" vs "increase" in the first place.

Tenfold literally means "multiplied by 10." That's what it means. You cannot take 20 and change it tenfold, and somehow end up with 30. You're just wrong.

[LightBing]

Yes it does allow for a possibility for a decrease. It doesn't mean it's has to be a multiplication, the 10-fold isn't isolated. There's a context. Which could mean decrease, increase, multiplication, what have you...

I notice that you add the possibility of a decrease, while saying it can only be multiplying. You can't multiply by ten and have a decrease. Which is it?

You can have a ten fold decrease by multiplying by a negative. Which obviously isn't the case here, but you're the one who brought up "change" vs "increase" in the first place.

Tenfold literally means "multiplied by 10." That's what it means. You cannot take 20 and change it tenfold, and somehow end up with 30. You're just wrong.

I'm gonna try this again, I ask that you read it. You're absolutely right about what 10-fold means.
Because of the word "change", I pose the possibility that Mr.Toriyama meant it like: "It was 20-fold before, I felt it was a 10 change"; using the word 10-fold instead because that's what's in-reference to, even if 10 fold means multiplied by 10.

Elaborating, so that people don't think I'm just making stuff to get what I want. When he mentions 50-fold in the previous sentence he uses the word "increase", don't see why he changed it to "change" here. Except for the "up to that point" part, which is redundant because we know what he means. The moment were it was thought it was 50-fold.

But looking at the whole interview, which by the way is titled "The Truth About the “Dragon Ball” Manga", where in all questions Mr.Toriyama talks how he came up with stuff. Taking into account the context, which is consistent in all of the answers of the interview, when he mentions "while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point", I assume he remembered the Kaioken x20 while he was drawing the manga and since 20 times 10 would be contrary to his idea of 50 being an exaggeration, I came up with this idea.

I totally see how going only by the words meaning, tenfold is tenfold, that aspect is absolute. But looking at the whole picture, I find it highly unlikely that Mr.Toriyama while drawing Super Saiyan didn't remember about the Kaioken!
To add in the same interview, talking about his favorite fights he say this about Super Saiyan Goku vs Freeza: "It’s where the Super Saiyan appears, to say the least. The time had come when I was finally able to follow through on my promise to Assistant-kun. And on top of that, I was able to express it very effectively, and the reception was good, so I have nothing else to add!"
More reasons to assume he remembered about the Kaioken when he was drawing Super Saiyan.

Note that I assume that Mr.Toriyama didn't actually remembered the x20 Kaioken at the time of the interview, but remembered his thought process, which is why he said "from what it was up to that point", because that's completely redundant otherwise.

Sorry for the long read. I had to try and make my logic as clear as possible. I hope you see my logic, even with the tenfold aspect.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... agon-ball/

[RandomGuy96]

Here's my attempt at a battle power list for the anime version of the Buu arc, with all the filler included, done for fun. Two things I should note: one, even in the anime, I consider the dozen or so statements plus plethora of feats supporting Super Buu > SS3 Goku >= Pure Buu to be more valid than the two statements near the end of the anime that state he is more powerful than Buuhan, contradicting his manner of defeat in the process. Two, as Super is a thing that happened in the anime, Freeza > base Goku will be assumed to be the case, with all that entails. Call it a retcon of some stuff if you want. With that said:

Spoiler:

Hell Break

Cell: 6,000,000,000

Freeza: 400,000,000
-100% Form [unseen]: 600,000,000
King Cold: 500,000,000

Recoome: 3,600,000
Burter: 3,800,000
Jeice: 4,000,000
Guldo: 1,000,000

Goku: 40,000,000

Pikkon: 4,500,000,000
~Burning Shoot: 9,000,000,000

(Freeza is shocked by base Goku (here at his Cell Games level) easily taking out the Ginyu Force, commenting that he's improved massively. This implies that, after whatever training they did in Hell, they surpassed Goku's base form from Namek. It's safe to say that the father-son tyrant duo are in a similar boat, having massively improved their powers over the years of training in Hell. Not that it saves them from getting utterly wrecked by Pikkon. Even Cell goes down in three hits when he uses that technique that covers him in a flaming aura. Goku is predictably amazed.)

Afterlife Tournament

Goku: 50,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000
--Super Kaio-Ken: 5,000,000,000
--Warp Kamehameha: 5,400,000,000
Olibu: 45,000,000

Pikkon: 4,500,000,000
-with weights: 50,000,000
Maraikoh: 47,000,000

Froug: 36,000,000
Torbie: 33,000,000
Arqa: 30,000,000
Gorilla: 22,000,000
Chapchai: 20,000,000

(I'm counting this as part of the Buu arc; all of the levels seem fairly self-explanatory. Weighted Pikkon is a bit stronger than Olibu, and Maraikoh is seemingly a bit stronger than base Goku. Then Pikkon with his weights fights Goku, and they turn out to be pretty even. Everyone else is far below these guys. On the Pikkon vs Goku fight, Pikkon shrugged off immensely powerful attacks with little damage to show for it, indicating a huge degree of superiority compared to Goku. Finally, Goku is noted by Pikkon to be powering up as he fights, so I have a noticeable power difference between Goku at the start and Goku at the end. Though obviously he's not close to his Buu arc counterpart yet.)

25th Budokai
Goku: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000
Vegeta: 64,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 3,200,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 6,400,000,000
Gohan: 60,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 3,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 6,000,000,000
Piccolo: 2,000,000,000
Trunks: 34,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 1,700,000,000
Goten: 33,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 1,650,000,000
Android 18: 310,000,000
Krillin: 60,000,000
Tenshinhan: 51,000,000
Yamcha: 40,000,000
Chaozu: 17,000,000

Kaioshin: 3,000,000,000
Kibito: 54,000,000

(Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan more or less follow the same path and are as relatively strong as they were in the manga, so I have them at the same levels. Same with a few other characters. A couple characters get downgrades. Everyone else gets an upgrade. For the humans, we have Yamcha sparring with Olibu in the Otherworld filler, as well as Tenshinhan being even with base Trunks in movie 9, putting them and Krillin (who's still stated to be the strongest human in this version) pretty close to the base saiyans. I like to rationalize this as them having trained in the ROSAT.)

(The anime makes Goten and Trunks' power a bit more explicit than it is in the manga: as indicated by their respective performances against Bio-Broly in movie 11, they are worlds above Android 18. However, unlike in the manga, Gohan smacks down Goten easily in their sparring match, and Piccolo is seemingly treated as more powerful than them. So I have them lower here. Speaking of Piccolo, the Cell arc filler depicted him doing VERY well against the Cell Juniors, enough that they needed to double team him to take him down, so he too gets an upgrade, as does Kaioshin for STILL being far above him.)

Babidi's Ship

Dabra: 5,500,000,000
Yakon: 80,000,000
Pui Pui: 180,000

Babidi (barrier+ offensive magic): 2,000,000,000

(No changes for these guys. Just two things to note: one, the anime makes it much more clear that Gohan was a SS2, both when fighting Dabra and when pulling the Z-sword, by giving him lightning in the latter scene and having Goku explicitly state Gohan was fighting at his absolute limit in the former. Two, there's some filler where Babidi kind of annoys Piccolo with some offensive magic goop and makes him struggle to get through his barrier. So there's that.)

Majin Buu's Rampage:

Fat Buu: 8,500,000,000
-Initial: 6,000,000,000

Vegeta [Majin]: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000

Goku: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 10,000,000,000

Gotenks: 5,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 10,000,000,000

(Here's where the first big changes start to manifest. First of all, I have the SS3 multiplier quite low for reasons I will explain later. Secondly, Vegeta is a lot closer to Buu than he would otherwise be, as is Buu to Goku. IMO this is justified as the anime makes Vegeta vs Buu look less one-sided, with Vegeta being very close to him in strength but being beaten mainly because Buu can heal from the many, many attacks he throws (gotta fill out the run time somehow!). Third, per the filler base Gotenks vs Buu fight, Gotenks can actually take some hits from an angry Buu in base and not immediately die, though that's about it.)

Fusion
Gohan: 24,000,000,000
Gotenks: 5,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 15,000,000,000
Goku: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 8,000,000,000

Super Buu: 13,000,000,000
-Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed: 18,000,000,000
-Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed: 30,000,000,000
-Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed: 42,000,000,000

(Again, three notable deviations here. One, SS3 Gotenks and Buu's fight is a little closer. Two, I've decided to just take the SS Gotenks vs Super Buu fight at face value, i.e. SS Gotenks really can survive blows from Super Buu and hurt him with a headbutt. It's kind of a necessity for the small gaps implied later. Three, Gohan vs Buutenks is changed in the anime, with Gohan actually putting up a decent fight at first. Super Buu vs Gohan is correspondingly made more one-sided, with stuff like Gohan easily countering a heavily charged mouth blast with his bare hands.)

Vegetto vs Buu + Buu's Body
Vegetto: 32,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan: 64,000,000,000

Buuhan: 42,000,000,000
-Initial: 13,000,000,000
-Power Up 1: 24,000,000,000

(Vegetto vs Buu is a somewhat complicated situation in the anime, but here's the long and short of it. After Buuhan trounces Goku and Vegeta (SS2s, judging by the lightning that appears around Vegeta when he enters the fray), they fuse into Vegetto, who then utterly trounces Buu in base, literally letting Buu punch him dozens of times to no effect. Then Buu powers up a lot and unleashes an energy sphere, confident that his new power will overwhelm Vegetto. Nope. Vegetto effortlessly catches and punts it like a football. Buu is briefly shocked, but then smirks and says that Vegetto still isn't as strong as him, and seems to do a power-up in the next episode. Vegetto responds "why don't I show you then?" and goes Super Saiyan, seemingly agreeing with him. After that, Super Vegetto kicks the crap out of Buu, though unlike the manga we actually have several instances of Buu giving Vegetto some trouble, like when he pours himself down Vegetto's throat, or when he starts screaming and putting himself in a barrier, nearly collapsing the universe in the process. So he's stronger, but not dimensions above Buu even as a SS.)

Goku: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000

Vegeta: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000

Toei Team Attack: 16,000,000,000

Super Buu: 13,000,000,000

(As I have noted previously, Goku and Vegeta appear to be SS2s in this filler battle against Buu, as evidenced by the lightning in their auras, as well as the shape of them; the fact that the hair may or may not match isn't really a factor given how inconsistent the hair is in the rest of the anime, particularly the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight. Individually, Buu easily outclasses them. When it comes down to SS2 Goku vs Buu, he has Goku beat in two hits and a throw and basically toys with him the whole time. When they attack him together, he has more trouble, and they actually do land a couple of hits by taking him off guard, but he can still counter them both. The exception is when they attack at the exact same time, in which case they overwhelm his defense with a combined kick, sending him flying before blowing him to pieces with a combined ki blast, something that along with their subsequent sweep would have killed him if he couldn't regenerate. I liken this to the situation in movie 6, where Cooler is utterly annihilating Goku and Vegeta but goes down in one hit when they combine their attacks.)

(It should be noted that Buu was smiling as this was happening though; while he appeared to be using full strength, presumably if this fight took place under more serious circumstances, he'd at least be attacking aggressively instead of giving his enemy the initiative every single time, which would largely nullify their chances even if Goku was a SS3, hence why he outright says they have no chance against Buu if they go outside.)

Pure Buu's Rampage
South Kaioshin: 8,000,000,000
Grand Kaioshin: 5,000,000,000
North Kaioshin: 4,000,000,000
West Kaioshin: 3,500,000,000
East Kaioshin: 3,000,000,000

Pure Buu: 10,000,000,000
-SK absorbed: 18,000,000,000

(These levels all seem self-explanatory from this flashback fight. The North and West Kaioshin both go down in one hit; I only have the former stronger because he was killed after the latter. The Grand Kaioshin and East Kaioshin are just as helpless against Buu, though the former at least has a powerful technique that cuts Buu's body (not that it does anything). The MVP here is South Kaioshin, who puts up a decent fight against Buu for a while, but is defeated relatively quickly as well, and absorbed. Note that Super Buu's power is equivalent to (SK + Pure Buu) - GK, as the Grand Kaioshin is still holding back his power in exchange for giving him sapience and additional intelligence. Ain't I clever?)

Final Battle

Pure Buu: 10,000,000,000
-Warming Up: 7,500,000,000

Goku: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 10,000,000,000

Mister Buu: 8,500,000,000

Vegeta: 80,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000

Genki-Dama:
-+Gohan and others' ki: 12,000,000,000
-+Earthlings' genki: 22,000,000,000

(Here's where I justify the biggest difference between my manga and anime lists: the SS3 multiplier being x1.25 SS2 instead of x4 SS2. Simply put, it all has to do with Vegeta. In the anime, we clearly have Vegeta putting up a decent fight against Pure Majin Buu, landing several good hits and getting up after a barrage of blows that Buu expected to kill him. It gets to the point where scenes from the manga are actually slightly changed to make it clear that Vegeta is near his level; for example, instead of being slightly shocked and then immediately smiling after Vegeta blows off his legs, Buu looks scared at first and then outright angry, after which Vegeta blasts him into goo. Another example is Buu's reaction to Vegeta getting up after his barrage; in the manga he laughs while Vegeta crawls out of the crater, making it apparent he's screwing around. In the anime, Buu instead takes a step back in shock and fear, the implication being that he genuinely was trying and expected those blows to kill Vegeta. This extends beyond this fight; there's also the above filler battle in Buu's body, as well as SS2 Vegeta managing to hurt Janemba with a double-handed ki blast in movie 13 and dodge a couple of strikes from him.)

(On a more minor note, it's implied in the manga that Buu when he first showed up was in some sort of suppressed initial level below SS2 Vegeta, based on Vegeta at first being confident about his OWN chances against Buu, and then later commenting that Buu is a lot more powerful than he imagined he'd be. This is explicitly the case in the anime where he actually fights SS2 Goku in that state and is at a disadvantage.)

Mr. Satan: Maximum
(Holding back, as usual, to make things interesting.)