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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:20 am

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floofychan333 wrote:The Path to Power is the worst thing ever created and deserves to be obliterated from the face of the earth.
I have to agree.
It doesn't capture Dragon Ball's charm at all. It started out good with the Goku meeting Bulma scene, but then went it's own route and rushed everything.

It doesn't help that the colors/designs were changed to be more dark and edgy. That's not how the original DB is supposed to look like.
But the animation was great and looks way better than modern Dragon Ball.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Xeogran » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:23 am

Ripper 30 wrote:
Xeogran wrote:
floofychan333 wrote:The Path to Power is the worst thing ever created and deserves to be obliterated from the face of the earth.
I have to agree.
It doesn't capture Dragon Ball's charm at all. It started out good with the Goku meeting Bulma scene, but then went it's own route and rushed everything.

It doesn't help that the colors/designs were changed to be more dark and edgy. That's not how the original DB is supposed to look like.
But the animation was great and looks way better than modern Dragon Ball.
Well, it had movie budget so obviously. The character re-designs were very meh though.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:37 pm

floofychan333 wrote:The Path to Power is the worst thing ever created and deserves to be obliterated from the face of the earth.
The worst thing ever created? That's an overexaggeration.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:45 pm

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floofychan333 wrote:The Path to Power is the worst thing ever created and deserves to be obliterated from the face of the earth.
The worst thing ever created? That's an overexaggeration.
In my opinion TOEI giving FUNimation the rights to dub the show was the worst thing ever, they should have waited for a while or let someone else take the dubbing Rights .
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:46 pm

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8000 Saiyan wrote:
floofychan333 wrote:The Path to Power is the worst thing ever created and deserves to be obliterated from the face of the earth.
The worst thing ever created? That's an overexaggeration.
In my opinion TOEI giving FUNimation the rights to dub the show was the worst thing ever, they should have waited for a while or let someone else take the dubbing Rights .
A company like Viz? If they had the rights, I would have liked them to have contracted Ocean or Animaze. Steve Blum as Vegeta, Piccolo or Frieza would have been amazing.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:49 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote: The worst thing ever created? That's an overexaggeration.
In my opinion TOEI giving FUNimation the rights to dub the show was the worst thing ever, they should have waited for a while or let someone else take the dubbing Rights .
A company like Viz?
Great choice.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:51 pm

Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote: In my opinion TOEI giving FUNimation the rights to dub the show was the worst thing ever, they should have waited for a while or let someone else take the dubbing Rights .
A company like Viz?
Great choice.
I could have seen them contract Animaze for it. Steve Blum as Vegeta, Frieza or Piccolo would have been amazing. Anyway, while that would have been amazing, I'm glad Funimation has improved with Kai. I'm still waiting for Ocean Kai to come out to see how Richard Ian Cox will do as Goku. And to see McNeil's Piccolo and Drummond's Vegeta again.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:53 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote: A company like Viz?
Great choice.
I could have seen them contract Animaze for it. Steve Blum as Vegeta, Frieza or Piccolo would have been amazing. Anyway, while that would have been amazing, I'm glad Funimation has improved with Kai. I'm still waiting for Ocean Kai to come out to see how Richard Ian Cox will do as Goku. And to see McNeil's Piccolo and Drummond's Vegeta again.
Yup it would be awesome to see their take on the show.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:07 pm

Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote: Great choice.
I could have seen them contract Animaze for it. Steve Blum as Vegeta, Frieza or Piccolo would have been amazing. Anyway, while that would have been amazing, I'm glad Funimation has improved with Kai. I'm still waiting for Ocean Kai to come out to see how Richard Ian Cox will do as Goku. And to see McNeil's Piccolo and Drummond's Vegeta again.
Yup it would be awesome to see their take on the show.
I also forgot to say that Lee Tockar's Frieza will also be awesome to hear given that his take is based on Mark Hamill's Joker.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by WittyUsername » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:12 pm

Here's one that seems somewhat unpopular (at least a few months ago): I don't mind Caulifla being able to go Super Saiyan as easily as she did. The Super Saiyan transformation has long been reduced to being nothing more than a fancy power-up, especially after Goten and Kid Trunks demonstrated the ability to use it. With that in mind, I find no reason to be upset about Caulifla learning how to do it as easily as she did. At the very least, she has the justification of presumably being an experienced fighter, unlike Goten and Trunks.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:56 am

I don't think we have a truly great English voice for Future Trunks. Eric Vale had the right voice but the wrong acting for Z (He has the opposite now), while Alistair Abell was too old and bland. Matthew Erickson was too wimpy and Skip Stellrecht was just unremarkable.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:13 am

8000 Saiyan wrote:I don't think we have a truly great English voice for Future Trunks. Eric Vale had the right voice but the wrong acting for Z (He has the opposite now), while Alistair Abell was too old and bland. Matthew Erickson was too wimpy and Skip Stellrecht was just unremarkable.
Too bad we never Got perfect English Voices for Dragon Ball Dub and never will we ever get. :(
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DragonBallKing » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:09 pm

Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote:I don't think we have a truly great English voice for Future Trunks. Eric Vale had the right voice but the wrong acting for Z (He has the opposite now), while Alistair Abell was too old and bland. Matthew Erickson was too wimpy and Skip Stellrecht was just unremarkable.
Too bad we never Got perfect English Voices for Dragon Ball Dub and never will we ever get. :(
Does Funi have any actor in it's talent pool that could pull off a good future Trunks, and sound decent as little Trunks like Kusao does nowadays. Both Sugiyama and Lowenthal do a good job of playing Sasuke as a little kid and Teenager so why couldn't it work for trunks?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:11 pm

DragonBallKing wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote:I don't think we have a truly great English voice for Future Trunks. Eric Vale had the right voice but the wrong acting for Z (He has the opposite now), while Alistair Abell was too old and bland. Matthew Erickson was too wimpy and Skip Stellrecht was just unremarkable.
Too bad we never Got perfect English Voices for Dragon Ball Dub and never will we ever get. :(
Does Funi have any actor in it's talent pool that could pull off a good future Trunks, and sound decent as little Trunks like Kusao does nowadays. Both Sugiyama and Lowenthal do a good job of playing Sasuke as a little kid and Teenager so why couldn't it work for trunks?
Can't think of anyone.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by floofychan333 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:30 pm

Xeogran wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote:
Xeogran wrote:
I have to agree.
It doesn't capture Dragon Ball's charm at all. It started out good with the Goku meeting Bulma scene, but then went it's own route and rushed everything.

It doesn't help that the colors/designs were changed to be more dark and edgy. That's not how the original DB is supposed to look like.
But the animation was great and looks way better than modern Dragon Ball.
Well, it had movie budget so obviously. The character re-designs were very meh though.
While good to some extent, the modern art style is destructive to the original DB. I fell in love with the series because of its art style that looked like a crazy fusion of old Chinese prints, American 80s cartoons, and sci-fi art, wrapped up in an unmistakably Japanese box. Using the new style on that series is just crapping on it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:31 am

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Xeogran wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote: But the animation was great and looks way better than modern Dragon Ball.
Well, it had movie budget so obviously. The character re-designs were very meh though.
While good to some extent, the modern art style is destructive to the original DB. I fell in love with the series because of its art style that looked like a crazy fusion of old Chinese prints, American 80s cartoons, and sci-fi art, wrapped up in an unmistakably Japanese box. Using the new style on that series is just crapping on it.
blame it on Mr.Yamamuro
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Post by Draconic » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:20 am

Not sure how unpopular this is, though I imagine it's quite a bit: The Dragon Ball Manga doesn't look that good in full color. The little imprefections in Toriyama's artstyle are being much more obvious in those versions and the color kinda takes away from how well action scenes/big moments are constructed, specifically for black&white. The impact conveyed trough paneling and speed lines is much greater with just two colors. Also, the movement is in much better display with black on white art, since the contrast between those is much more apparent than when then colors catch the eye.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:24 am

Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote: The worst thing ever created? That's an overexaggeration.
In my opinion TOEI giving FUNimation the rights to dub the show was the worst thing ever, they should have waited for a while or let someone else take the dubbing Rights .
Oh please. That is an overexaggeration.

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Post by Sexyphobe » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:48 am

While more unpopular here than with the general fanbase, I prefer the identity Funimation/Faulconer gave DBZ. When the fights are getting flashier and faster, it just doesn't feel right to not have music that matches that tone. I tried to watch Gohan Kills Cell with the original BGM and also Kai music, and it just loses so much of the intensity that the Faulconer music gave. That said I do prefer the Funi Re-dub with the Japanese BGM from the beginning up until the Frieza Saga.

And while I understand people's criticisms, it was them who brought Dragon Ball Z to the mainstream in America. The same reason that I get annoyed when people bitch about 4Kid's dub of Pokemon or Yugioh. Yeah it made a errors, but if they weren't going to dub it and popularize it, who else was? If it weren't for them, none of those Anime would have gotten nearly as popular the the United States, and possibly Anime in general.

Oh yeah, and TeamFourStar is overrated. I still enjoy them, but don't get the sycophantic love that it gets.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ripper 30 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:45 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Ripper 30 wrote:
8000 Saiyan wrote: The worst thing ever created? That's an overexaggeration.
In my opinion TOEI giving FUNimation the rights to dub the show was the worst thing ever, they should have waited for a while or let someone else take the dubbing Rights .
Oh please. That is an overexaggeration.
No I am serious, if the dub was accurate we would have less differences and no divided fanbase. look at naruto dub, the show is same in English to the point that even if someone watched the dub they still are watching the same show.
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