The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

eoz-nothing happens. Vegeta doesn't vow to defeat goku some day, he vows to share a toilet with him every day.

I suppose depends on if Vegetto made the same request Goku did to have Boo reincarnated or not.

Goku having Buu as a rival is silly enough, but fused with vegeta I think wouldn't want him as a rival. I see vegito so smug he thinks/knows buu's not a rival for him. Evev us who believe kid buu is the strongest buu excluding uub, know for a fact Vegito without training wrecks buu. Doesn't need ssj1 to beat any of them. And if he trains while buu is reincarnated, which he would it's already over for buu even more harder then it already was. So I personally don't see buu being wished to be revived to yemma by vegito.

[MatrixChap]

What if Shenron was evil? How would the whole of the DB series turn out if, i.e., he didn't revive anyone?

[Sandubadear]

What if Shenron was evil? How would the whole of the DB series turn out if, i.e., he didn't revive anyone?

Why would Kami even create him if he was evil?

[Anime Kitten]

Why would Kami even create him if he was evil?

Maybe Kami wouldn't create him.

[MaxZ]

What if:

Goku and Vegeta did the logical thing and once again fused using the Potara earrings. Vegetto easily defeats Kid Boo and saves the Earth.

How does this effect the following events...

- 2008 OVA (Yo! Son Goku and his friends return)
- Battle of Gods and Resurrection F.
- End of Z.

Vegito wishes to defuse with the Dragon Balls. everything is the same.

if they do not unfuse, then SSJ3 Vegito gives Beerus a run for his money, but loses fairly fast.

if it so happens that they ultimately attain the SSJG transformation (though this may be difficult, it would require Tarble to work because Goku and Vegeta are one, meaning one less Saiyan), Beerus gets utterly obliterated.

then in RoF, Vegito can stomp Golden Frieza using his god power in base alone. the tournament is also a complete joke, Vegito sweeps all of Universe 6 in base including Hit.

Super Saiyan Blue Vegito has a power that exceeds even Whis and Vados by a wide margin.

[DBZ Macky]

What if:
The dragon balls can grant any wish except for bringing the dead back to life?

[Rumanid]

What if:
The dragon balls can grant any wish except for bringing the dead back to life?

While it wouldn't affect early DB that much, it would impact everything Piccolo Daimao and after.

Krillin and Master Roshi being permanently dead might mean that Goku might have a sufficient rage boost to (at the least) have the possibility to go Super Saiyan, or Faux-SSJ (if Lord Slug is anything to get behind). Assuming this, he'd be roughly at a power level of 2000-3000 around the 23rd Tenkaichi. Raditz is easily dispatched by Goku, but without a way to learn the Kaioken, Goku gets trashed vs. Nappa, unless Raditz survives and helps him train.

Great Ape/Oozaru Vegeta would stomp even a SSJ Goku, assuming base Goku has a power level of 1000-2000 post-training, though a combined effort by Tien, Goku, Piccolo, and Yajirobe might be able to take Vegeta out.

Vegeta leaves, and from here...things get interesting.

[Hellspawn28]

What if:

Goku and Vegeta did the logical thing and once again fused using the Potara earrings. Vegetto easily defeats Kid Boo and saves the Earth.

How does this effect the following events...

- 2008 OVA (Yo! Son Goku and his friends return)
- Battle of Gods and Resurrection F.
- End of Z.

- Probably nothing. Vegito would knock out Aka with his finger.
- Vegito would need to go SSjG and probably have to summon Tarble to help him out. SSjG Vegito would defeat Beerus and promise him not to destroy the Earth. However Vegito beating Beerus may change the relationship with Beerus and Vegito. Vegito would probably never train with Whis and Vegito would beat Golden Freeza with very little effort. Too early to say how the rest of Super would turn out. I don't think Uub would exist if Vegito was never defuse because it was Goku that wanted Buu to turn good as another person. I don't see Vegito doing the same.

In GT, Pilaf would wish to rule the World and Vegito would stop him. King Kai would sense the Earth is in danger and warns Vegito about the Black Star Dragon Balls. So Vegito, Trunks and Pan go into space and Vegito defeats everyone. On Planet M2, Vegito kills General Rildo and Dr. Myuu. Bebi would probably try to take over Vegito and Vegito kills him in one blast. So they return back home and the Earth is now safe. I guess the Super 17 saga could happen by having Dr. Gero knowing about Vegito and how he has been watching over the Earth in Hell. So Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu make Super 17 and Hell on Earth starts. Vegito defeats Freeza and Cell then later kills Super 17. The Shadow Dragons would be iffy, but I think SSj3 GT Vegito could beat Super Yi Xing Long. Everyone lives happy until they die from old age, the end!

[Steven Bloodriver]

I have two What-Ifs taking place in the same scenario.

1) What if Vegeta had been the one to achieve Super Saiyan and defeat Frieza, then take over the Planet Trade Organization, and while having a final battle against Goku with both of them going all-out as Super Saiyans approximately six months after Garlic Junior had been defeated, one of the Saiyan Prince's stray energy blasts hits and almost completely destroys both Dr. Gero's Lab and the hidden bunker beneath housing Cell? Would any of the Androids be freed and feel compelled to go to the site of the battle between Goku and Vegeta?

2) What if following the Maximum Flasher of Super Saiyan Vegeta destroying Dr. Gero and his secret laboratory, a part of Cell only having the DNA of 1% of Piccolo, 98.6% of the Saiyan half of Gohan, and 0.4% of Frieza survives and regenerates similar to how Cell did when he was reduced to only a single cell?

[Alruneia]

What if Resurrection F happened in the other time-skip?
I'll explain: Instead of Frieza returning as a pseudo-god and stuff, he actually returns between the Cell and Buu arcs, where the strongest character is SSJ2 Teen Gohan, followed by Vegeta. He trains for four months, then attacks Earth. Drop the extreme super-prodigy thing, just have him become something like ten times stronger and then add the Golden form, that'd be enough.
I think this would've been a much better place to put the story, and it could give us some nice character moments. For example, Vegeta kinda gave up fighting after the Cell arc. In the Funi dub of Z he says "I am no warrior, and I will never fight again." However, this battle gives him his fighting spirit back. Bulma and Kid Trunks could arrive to watch the battle between Gohan and Frieza, and after Golden Frieza defeats SSJ2 Teen Gohan (who's become significantly weaker by now), he spots Trunks, getting a sort of PTSD because "small version of the guy who killed me" and attacking him and Bulma. This would kick Vegeta into SSJ2 and give an explanation for why he transforms so easily in the Buu arc. And, since Goku is dead and we don't know Beerus and Whis yet... The writing would almost have to give Vegeta the win.
What do you think?

[Anime Kitten]

[spoiler]What if Resurrection F happened in the other time-skip?
I'll explain: Instead of Frieza returning as a pseudo-god and stuff, he actually returns between the Cell and Buu arcs, where the strongest character is SSJ2 Teen Gohan, followed by Vegeta. He trains for four months, then attacks Earth. Drop the extreme super-prodigy thing, just have him become something like ten times stronger and then add the Golden form, that'd be enough.
I think this would've been a much better place to put the story, and it could give us some nice character moments. For example, Vegeta kinda gave up fighting after the Cell arc. In the Funi dub of Z he says "I am no warrior, and I will never fight again." However, this battle gives him his fighting spirit back. Bulma and Kid Trunks could arrive to watch the battle between Gohan and Frieza, and after Golden Frieza defeats SSJ2 Teen Gohan (who's become significantly weaker by now), he spots Trunks, getting a sort of PTSD because "small version of the guy who killed me" and attacking him and Bulma. This would kick Vegeta into SSJ2 and give an explanation for why he transforms so easily in the Buu arc. And, since Goku is dead and we don't know Beerus and Whis yet... The writing would almost have to give Vegeta the win.
What do you think?[/spoiler]

It could work. The benefits you brought up regarding Vegeta would make a world of difference for us fans. The only reason I disapprove is because that would mean no Super Saiyan Blue.

[Alruneia]

[spoiler]What if Resurrection F happened in the other time-skip?
I'll explain: Instead of Frieza returning as a pseudo-god and stuff, he actually returns between the Cell and Buu arcs, where the strongest character is SSJ2 Teen Gohan, followed by Vegeta. He trains for four months, then attacks Earth. Drop the extreme super-prodigy thing, just have him become something like ten times stronger and then add the Golden form, that'd be enough.
I think this would've been a much better place to put the story, and it could give us some nice character moments. For example, Vegeta kinda gave up fighting after the Cell arc. In the Funi dub of Z he says "I am no warrior, and I will never fight again." However, this battle gives him his fighting spirit back. Bulma and Kid Trunks could arrive to watch the battle between Gohan and Frieza, and after Golden Frieza defeats SSJ2 Teen Gohan (who's become significantly weaker by now), he spots Trunks, getting a sort of PTSD because "small version of the guy who killed me" and attacking him and Bulma. This would kick Vegeta into SSJ2 and give an explanation for why he transforms so easily in the Buu arc. And, since Goku is dead and we don't know Beerus and Whis yet... The writing would almost have to give Vegeta the win.
What do you think?[/spoiler]

It could work. The benefits you brought up regarding Vegeta would make a world of difference for us fans. The only reason I disapprove is because that would mean no Super Saiyan Blue.

Well, Blue could just be pulled out while training before (or for) the Champa tournament instead. After all, Super's manga already skipped Resurrection F, but Blue is still there. It could work.

[GodKaio-Ken]

What if they had wished the bomb out of Android 16 and into Cell? Is this possible? What if they had wished a bomb inside the Saiyans to go off during that arc?

[Dorexx]

What if Gohan was killed by Goku's Kamehameha instead of becoming Super Saiyan?

[Desassina]

What if Gohan was killed by Goku's Kamehameha instead of becoming Super Saiyan?

Goku would be the one to ascend. What if Dr. Wheelo transferred his brain to Hildegarn?

[Berserker1921]

What if Gohan was killed by Goku's Kamehameha instead of becoming Super Saiyan?

Goku would be the one to ascend. What if Dr. Wheelo transferred his brain to Hildegarn?

He be pretty tough to destroy. It would be a lot of factors. How quickly he got used to the body and powers. Also if he wasn't cocky. He prob would have defeated all the z warriors. Eventually to be killed by Beerus .

[Lunatic Fringe]

1. What if Chaozu was successful in killing Nappa?
2. What if Nail wasn't available for Piccolo to fuse with once he was wished on Namek?
3. What if Namek wasn't in danger of being destroyed during the climax of Freeza's fight with Goku?

[Hellspawn28]

1. Vegeta kills everyone before Goku shows up. Goku would probably kill Vegeta and Goku would live alone with Chi Chi until he dies from the Heart Virus. #17 and #18 kills everyone on Earth. The end.
2. Everyone dies from Freeza since Piccolo won't be strong enough to take on Freeza.
3. Goku won't know how to teleport. Cell would end up killing Piccolo and Tenshinhan. Cell would end up destroying the Earth since Goku has no way to teleport Cell.

[Cipher]

1. What if Chaozu was successful in killing Nappa?
2. What if Nail wasn't available for Piccolo to fuse with once he was wished on Namek?
3. What if Namek wasn't in danger of being destroyed during the climax of Freeza's fight with Goku?

1. Everyone dies.
2. Everyone dies.
3. Everyone dies when Cell self-destructs at the end of the Cell Games.

1. Vegeta kills everyone before Goku shows up. Goku would probably kill Vegeta and Goku would live alone with Chi Chi until he dies from the Heart Virus. #17 and #18 kills everyone on Earth. The end.

All things being equal, Vegeta was going to win the fight against Goku until Kuririn, Gohan and Yajirobe intervened.

Chaozu's failure saved the universe from Majin Boo.

Of course, before any of that, Jaco saved the universe from both Freeza and Majin Boo by fucking up his job.

Causality in Dragon Ball is weird.

[apex_pretador]

1. What if Chaozu was successful in killing Nappa?
2. What if Nail wasn't available for Piccolo to fuse with once he was wished on Namek?
3. What if Namek wasn't in danger of being destroyed during the climax of Freeza's fight with Goku?

Vegeta kills them all. He was the one who decided to go to namek for DB's, while nappa was playing around

Piccolo would've still gone to fight freeza, everyone would've fought 2nd form freeza & lost, then a weak goku would've escaped the healing chamber to fight him. He would go KK x20 and whoop freeza forcing him to transform.
Freeza 3rd form kills Piccolo & Gohan and krillin cuts his tail.
Freeza gets mad, transform to final form, kills krillin and goku goes mad. He transforms to super saiyan. However, freeza goes to 70% power to match him. Goku due to the fact he was weakened, nearly gives up. Dende heals goku but freeza sees this and kills dende.
Goku then beats up freeza, and knowing that no set of DB;s is active now, and everyone who died is permanently dead, he just blows up with rage and kills freeza. I assume future bulma comes back and gives goku a medicine.
Later, androids appear and goku befriends them.
Cell appears and goku and androids combo kills him.
Goku trains in HTC in the time skip, with the roids.
Bibidi appears and doesn't get enough energy to open majin buu, so he leaves with whatever energy he had. However, goku IT's to where babidi is, kills him, and IT's back with buu's shell and gives it to kaioshin.
No BoG because beerus never had a dream, no ROF because no dragon balls. no EoZ because no buu.



Nothing important happens. The fight goes on the same, even till freeza gets tired, freeza gets cut in half, gets blasted to bits by goku and then goku, gohan & piccolo leave Namek, while krillin is wished back by Porunga, then teleported to earth.
However, no IT for goku, later everyone dies.