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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:04 pm

Son Edo wrote:Trunks could kill Coola with a punch to the stomach too.
As a SSJ, sure. In base? Not a chance.
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:04 pm

Intriguing .
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:06 pm

I think that Kogu is the film counterpart to King Cold. They're both pointless jobbers, they both get pwned by Trunks, they both try to kill Trunks with a sword only for the sword to be caught mid swing, and they're both killed via a hole in the chest.

'Cept King Cold's stronger.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:07 pm

Son Edo wrote:Intriguing .
Well, M9 fits into the main timeline, so I generally just place everyone there at their Cell Games levels. We know that the base Saiyans of the Buu Arc were weaker than Freeza, so there's no way that base Trunks, who is weaker than Buu Arc base Goku and Vegeta, could beat Cooler (who is stronger than Freeza) in base. But seeing as early Android Arc Goku was able to beat Cooler as a SSJ, then SSJ Cell Games Trunks should be able to flatten him.

Edit: I said "base" way too many times in that post :crazy:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:09 pm

Base Goku Post Vegetto fusion vs regular Evil Boo(Super Boo)

Keep in mind this is the Goku that beat fake Son Gohan(mightiest of warriors) in super saiyan form.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:10 pm

He proceeded to spend the rest of the episode in SS2 form being beaten up by Super Buu.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:11 pm

Son Edo wrote:Base Goku Post Vegetto fusion vs regular Evil Boo(Super Boo)

Keep in mind this is the Goku that beat fake Son Gohan(mightiest of warriors) in super saiyan form.
If we're counting the anime, then Goku stomps, despite all logic to the contrary. Because Goku.

Logically, Super Buu rips out Goku's hair, and impales him on it. While eating a cupcake. And writing the great American novel.
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:12 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I think that Kogu is the film counterpart to King Cold. They're both pointless jobbers, they both get pwned by Trunks, they both try to kill Trunks with a sword only for the sword to be caught mid swing, and they're both killed via a hole in the chest.

'Cept King Cold's stronger.
I think Pui Pui would be 10,000,000
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:12 pm

Where was Pui Pui mentioned?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:13 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Son Edo wrote:Base Goku Post Vegetto fusion vs regular Evil Boo(Super Boo)

Keep in mind this is the Goku that beat fake Son Gohan(mightiest of warriors) in super saiyan form.
If we're counting the anime, then Goku stomps, despite all logic to the contrary. Because Goku.

Logically, Super Buu rips out Goku's hair, and impales him on it. While eating a cupcake. And writing the great American novel.
Yeah obviously the anime version.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:14 pm

We saw anime SS2 Goku vs Super Buu.
Spoiler:
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:16 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:We saw anime SS2 Goku vs Super Buu.
Spoiler:
Yeah, but it appears post fusion Goku and Vegeta got stronger.

And Super Saiyan 2 Goku only fought Gohan-absorbed Boo.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:17 pm

Son Edo wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:We saw anime SS2 Goku vs Super Buu.
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Yeah, but it appears post fusion Goku and Vegeta got stronger.

And Super Saiyan 2 Goku only fought Gohan-absorbed Boo.
They fought Buu inside his head, and lost badly. Buu was playing with him.
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:21 pm

Well Boo did have a massive advantage being 'everywhere' but I suppose you're right.

So Evil Boo > Son Gohan now?
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:22 pm

Son Edo wrote:Well Boo did have a massive advantage being 'everywhere' but I suppose you're right.

So Evil Boo > Son Gohan now?
No, Gohan is much stronger than Super Buu. The filler is inconsistent. We see Gohan fight Super Buu, and he crushes him.
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:25 pm

It doesn't matter filler is part of the anime and should be taken seriously in that department.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:26 pm

Son Edo wrote:It doesn't matter filler is part of the anime and should be taken seriously in that department.
But it's not even suppose to be there. I only count filler DBZ Kai kept to be honest,
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:27 pm

Son Edo wrote:It doesn't matter filler is part of the anime and should be taken seriously in that department.
It's inconsistent though. If you count filler, you get things like
Goku>Gohan>Super Buu>Goku>Pure Buu>Goku>Super Buu>Gohan>Super Buu.
It doesn't make any sense.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:32 pm

I do "count" some filler, like the Kaioshin flashback and the humans vs Ginyus fight, but you're going to run into some obvious contradictions when trying to figure out Toei's Goku and Vegeta wank.

Gohan fights evenly with Buutenks before the mind games start getting played. Goku gets pwned immediately. But he later says Kid Buu, who he fights evenly with, is stronger than Buutenks. Buutenks > SS3 Goku = Kid Buu > Buutenks > Gohan > SS3 Goku.

SS Goku defeats Gohan in his Buu's mind, loses to Super Buu in SS2, and says if they go outside they'll get killed even if he uses SS3. Super Buu > SS3 Goku > SS2 Goku > SS Goku > Gohan > Super Buu.

Goku states Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. But he also states he can't beat Super Buu and that Potara is the only way to fight Gohan-Buu. So SS3 Goku > Gohan-Buu > SS3 Goku.

See what I mean?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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