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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:34 pm

As I said, I go with the official stance that Dabra is SS2 tier. So he stomps SO hard; I think Movie 9 Gohan = Buu Saga Gohan, and SS2 Gohan in that movie wrecked Bojack.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:36 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:As I said, I go with the official stance that Dabra is SS2 tier. So he stomps SO hard; I think Movie 9 Gohan = Buu Saga Gohan, and SS2 Gohan in that movie wrecked Bojack.
I have Movie 9 Gohan barely weaker than Cell Games Gohan.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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RandomGuy96 wrote:As I said, I go with the official stance that Dabra is SS2 tier. So he stomps SO hard; I think Movie 9 Gohan = Buu Saga Gohan, and SS2 Gohan in that movie wrecked Bojack.
I have Movie 9 Gohan barely weaker than Cell Games Gohan.
I also go with the official stance that Gohan didn't get any weaker, he just lost his rage boosts. I don't think Gohan was really enraged in Movie 9, and I don't think Bojack is that strong.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:40 pm

Kaboom revealed important information about Dabra. It said Vegeta was impatient with Gohan because he couldn't defeat an opponent weaker than him because of his rustiness and lack of training. It also says that Dabra is a very skilled fighter.
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Post by PerfectFreeza » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:42 pm

That doesn't make a lot of sense though, RG94.
How would lazing around reduce Gohan's anger?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:46 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:That doesn't make a lot of sense though, RG94.
How would lazing around reduce Gohan's anger?
He got more calm? He stop fighting which led to him being pissed. I don't agree with the statement but I respect it.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:48 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:That doesn't make a lot of sense though, RG94.
How would lazing around reduce Gohan's anger?
He grew up. He doesn't have tantrums anymore, and can't access his rage anymore. He says as much himself, right before shooting the Kamehameha against Buu's ball.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:00 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Bojack vs Dabura(No spit).
Depends where you rank Dabura? If he was fighting SSJ Gohan he loses, if SSJ2 Gohan he wins.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:02 pm

Anime Future Gohan vs Manga Goku Android Arc Pre ROAST and no Heart Virus
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:04 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Anime Future Gohan vs Manga Goku Android Arc Pre ROAST and no Heart Virus
Goku stomps.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:05 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Anime Future Gohan vs Manga Goku Android Arc Pre ROAST and no Heart Virus
Goku wins without too much effort.
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Post by PerfectFreeza » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:16 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:He grew up. He doesn't have tantrums anymore, and can't access his rage anymore. He says as much himself, right before shooting the Kamehameha against Buu's ball.
True, but the way they talk about him hints at not training having effect on his power.
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”
Goku says, that the reason why he is weaker is because he didn't train.How would not training affect his anger?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:22 pm

Trunks implied the future androids were still above Goku and Vegeta by a tiny bit, and Future Gohan was able to fight both of them at the same time, so I guess he wins.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:24 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Trunks implied the future androids were still above Goku and Vegeta by a tiny bit, and Future Gohan was able to fight both of them at the same time, so I guess he wins.
I don't really think that the future androids were weaker than their present counterparts, just that they toyed with Gohan. Trunks can't sense their ki anyway, so I doubt he'd be able to tell. Gohan also says something about wanting to be as strong as his dad. Android Arc Goku should be much stronger than future Goku was, since he trained for the Androids.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:29 pm

The Daizenshuu states that the future androids are weaker.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:36 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:The Daizenshuu states that the future androids are weaker.
Do you have a quote? I don't really see why they would be. I've always just assumed that they toyed with Gohan and Trunks, since they were the last guys on Earth who could put up a fight.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:40 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:The Daizenshuu states that the future androids are weaker.
Do you have a quote? I don't really see why they would be. I've always just assumed that they toyed with Gohan and Trunks, since they were the last guys on Earth who could put up a fight.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:41 pm

Well that's annoying.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:52 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well that's annoying.
Yeah some D7 stuff can be annoying. I personally don't believe in Goten=Gohan. Maybe after the ROSAT he would equal initial Gohan but that's as far as I would go.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:00 pm

That's what I have. SS Goten post ROSAT = SS Gohan at the Budokai.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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