Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Alee9977]

I noticed they weren't zoomed in enough on Lavender during the beam struggle for how much they shook the camera, look at the top.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I wonder if these things happens because lack of time or they just don't notice. I should check if this happens in Drago Ball, Z or GT although I doubt it.

[JazzMazz]

If I'm remember correctly, someone posted something like this for the copy Vegeta arc a couple of dozen pages back.

[SansrivaaL]

The action portion of Episode 56 was fairly short, as opposed to 57, where most of the episode is a fighting sequence. It would just add extra work if they were to add the aura all the time, on top of the fact that it isn't necessary and doesn't really have any precedent behind it.

But even then in #66 it felt natural they used it on and off for Vegetto, but in the likes of #61 when Goku exploded they used the aura for that brief period and then it disappeared it is just odd.

I have to admit especially in episode 5, I remember asking myself "what's the point of charging and then stopping the aura". Heck, some were telling me the exact same excuse "they can't handle auras due to time restriction". Is animating auras that hard? Even if it is, aren't auras cool effects that make the scenes look flashier and as a result improve the visuals? Why waste an opportunity to make the scene look better?
In episode 5 and 61 the way they charged and then stop their auras looked bizarre

I'm curious about this as well, it just seems weird as heck when they power up angry and then goes aura off while fighting, I had this problem for #61 when Goku was pissed he released aura, then turns it off, why? does it take time to include aura in a fight?

[Mazingerdestro]

I noticed they weren't zoomed in enough on Lavender during the beam struggle for how much they shook the camera, look at the top.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I wonder if these things happens because lack of time or they just don't notice. I should check if this happens in Drago Ball, Z or GT although I doubt it.

Probably didn't notice

[Ajay]

I noticed they weren't zoomed in enough on Lavender during the beam struggle for how much they shook the camera, look at the top.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I wonder if these things happens because lack of time or they just don't notice. I should check if this happens in Drago Ball, Z or GT although I doubt it.

It's an After Effects thing. If you ramp the wiggle too high, you can start shaking your composition off of the canvas, which results in what you see above. It's very easy to miss on a dark background like that. It's happened a fair few times in Super.

You won't find it in the previous series since it's a digital mistake. The closest you may find are the edges of characters cutting off while the background continues since the cels were smaller than the paintings.

[gohan_black]

both 79+80 episodes has better choreography then the entire universe 6 arc. it seems like dragon ball is finally being dragon ball again

[Psykomatik]

Why is everyone comparing fights from this arc with the fight from the Champa arc? I mean, it's not like there was something like 35 episodes between these two, it's not like we got some amazing episodes in-between such as 42, 44, 47, 48, 50, 54, 56, 57, 61, 63, 65, 66 and 75 which all contains amazing storyboard and fighting animation, isn't it?

So yeah, why are people being surprised here?

[Ajay]

Why is everyone comparing fights from this arc with the fight from the Champa arc?

Tournament vs Tournament.

Personally, I think it's too early to pass any full judgement, but people aren't wrong in their assessment that the past two episodes are significantly better than anything in that last tournament.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Why is everyone comparing fights from this arc with the fight from the Champa arc?

Tournament vs Tournament.

Personally, I think it's too early to pass any full judgement, but people aren't wrong in their assessment that the past two episodes are significantly better than anything in that last tournament.

Considering that this is just the preliminary aswell is equally as surprising really does give hope for the tournament proper and if the title leaks are anything to go by we are still not jumping straight into it after the prelims.

[Psykomatik]

Why is everyone comparing fights from this arc with the fight from the Champa arc?

Tournament vs Tournament.

Personally, I think it's too early to pass any full judgement, but people aren't wrong in their assessment that the past two episodes are significantly better than anything in that last tournament.

Well, in my opinion, this comparison isn't fair at all.
There are a lot of factors to consider, and you know them better than I do: The production got better with time, we got more staff (you even said that we got one from BONES or something like that in episode 80), and the staff has more time to work on their episodes. It's downright day and night to me, that's why the comparison surprises me. It's like comparing these fights to Dragon Ball's 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, because it was a tournament. That's why i was questionning myself: Why are people being surprised here? We've seen the improvement of the series through the entire Future Trunks arc, so there should be no reason to be that surprised, isn't it?

(And if someone could correct me when I make mistakes,he would have my eternal gratitude. I would love to be more able to write English to be able to share my point of view more often here...)

[Ajay]

Well, in my opinion, this comparison isn't fair at all.
There are a lot of factors to consider, and you know them better than I do: The production got better with time, we got more staff (you even said that we got one from BONES or something like that in episode 80), and the staff has more time to work on their episodes. It's downright day and night to me, that's why the comparison surprises me. It's like comparing these fights to Dragon Ball's 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, because it was a tournament. That's why i was questionning myself: Why are people being surprised here? We've seen the improvement of the series through the entire Future Trunks arc, so there should be no reason to be that surprised, isn't it?

(And if someone could correct me when I make mistakes,he would have my eternal gratitude. I would love to be more able to write English to be able to share my point of view more often here...)

I'm not really seeing any of this surprise you're talking about -- just a lot of positivity, which is fine. I don't see any issue with making the comparison. It's just an observation; there's no harm in doing so. I don't understand what issue you're having.

It's not like people are going, "Ugh, why couldn't the U6 Tournament have looked like this?!" If they were, then of course you'd be right to start bringing up the differences in production. That's not happening, though.

As long as nobody starts jumping the gun too early in terms of maintaining this quality, then I'm fine with it. It's nice to compare and contrast; it's how we notice changes.

[Psykomatik]

Well, in my opinion, this comparison isn't fair at all.
There are a lot of factors to consider, and you know them better than I do: The production got better with time, we got more staff (you even said that we got one from BONES or something like that in episode 80), and the staff has more time to work on their episodes. It's downright day and night to me, that's why the comparison surprises me. It's like comparing these fights to Dragon Ball's 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, because it was a tournament. That's why i was questionning myself: Why are people being surprised here? We've seen the improvement of the series through the entire Future Trunks arc, so there should be no reason to be that surprised, isn't it?

(And if someone could correct me when I make mistakes,he would have my eternal gratitude. I would love to be more able to write English to be able to share my point of view more often here...)

It's not like people are going, "Ugh, why couldn't the U6 Tournament have looked like this?!" If they were, then of course you'd be right to start bringing up the differences in production. That's not happening, though.

That's how I personally felt it, but I'm probably exaggerating things if you say so!

[gohan_black]

Why is everyone comparing fights from this arc with the fight from the Champa arc? I mean, it's not like there was something like 35 episodes between these two, it's not like we got some amazing episodes in-between such as 42, 44, 47, 48, 50, 54, 56, 57, 61, 63, 65, 66 and 75 which all contains amazing storyboard and fighting animation, isn't it?

So yeah, why are people being surprised here?

I'm comparing it because they are both tournaments. the champa arc had really lousy fight cohroagraphy. i exloding the black arc cuz it wasent a tournament even when dragon ball super became great back then

[aaronWgamer]

I really hope that the filter continues to improve as we get closer to the tournament. It might make the show hard to watch given the dark stage and the ugly indoor scenes we had in 77. I've grown to like it progressively but if it ends up ruining (or even reducing the quality of) scenes with great animation when we get to the main fights, that gradual pleasant surprise is going to turn into hatred quickly.

[Alee9977]

At least, we can say, objectively, that the 2 first fights of this arc are way better than the first 3 fights in the last tournament.

[Gashif Aldi]

I feel like Champa arc actually has good choreography, it's just that the animation couldn't afford to do the storyboard/choreography.
Just like Ajay's Storyboard of episode 16, most of the training scenes aren't included in the actual episode. But, the storyboard itself has a lots interesting stuff in it.
Just stuff getting wasted like nothing.

(But at least the storyboard artist can sell their storyboards)

[iAnimationLover_]

I feel like Champa arc actually has good choreography

Could you elaborate, please? :>

[Nasryyy]

will the catalogue be updated with the latest episode ?

[aaronWgamer]

Could you elaborate, please? :>

I think what he's trying to say is that between storyboard artists and animators being rushed, any potential some of the early fights had was burned away by the horrible schedule, piece by piece.

Storyboard artists wouldn't have been on their A game to begin with, elements of certain storyboards would have been dropped, the direction would have been confused by weird management and as we all know, rushed animation is rushed animation. I can see what would be minor issues normally all coming together to ruin a lot of the arc. Actually, that's what happened.

[Gashif Aldi]

Could you elaborate, please? :>

I think what he's trying to say is that between storyboard artists and animators being rushed, any potential some of the early fights had was burned away by the horrible schedule, piece by piece.

Storyboard artists wouldn't have been on their A game to begin with, elements of certain storyboards would have been dropped, the direction would have been confused by weird management and as we all know, rushed animation is rushed animation. I can see what would be minor issues normally all coming together to ruin a lot of the arc. Actually, that's what happened.

Yup, this is pretty much 100% what I'm talking about. Probably most of the storyboard/choreography pages wasn't used due to not enough animator/time. But, now seeing an almost exact torunament, except... It's in a better place. Some of the storyboard artists now is as good as it was in Champa arc. And rushed animation was also there for a reason.

If the source is broken, then all of them is broken. The storyboard need to be done first without it, animating would be confusing as hell. Now DBS storyboards are rushed like a kid's drawing, and some of them probably weren't used at all.

Now we have a good animator, with a lot of time and a good storyboard = Goodness.

The conclusion is.
The choreography/fights/storyboard was executed badly.
I'm just saying that the Champa arc is not bad, it was just executed poorly.

Just imagine, give Kitano the choregraphy of Shida's episode 57 scene, then watch how the series die.

The current Tournament is just in a better place, maybe an example what the previous Torunament should look like in a better place (or at everything, lol)

I don't know, but I always judge comparisons like this.
And I got carried away, discussing sure is fun.