Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

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Post by HeroR » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:52 am

RedHeat wrote:I'm gonna bust a gut if animated Minus turns out to be >>> manga Minus.
That isn't hard to do since Minus was literally only a few pages with barebone details. And manga Minus was just a bonus chapter in the back of Jaco, not sure why people keep acting like it got its own series or something.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:55 am

I knew we were getting Minus material and I'm still triggered by it :lol:. Really goes to show how I can't stand Minus at all. Oh well.
Doctor. wrote:"Cast-off warrior: Broly"

:roll: As expected, they're trying to retcon Broly into what Goku was portrayed as in the Saiyan arc. Poor, tragic Broly was cast away and abused by his selfish father while Kakarotto got to survive because his parents wuvved him.

The backstory for Broly has potential, but I just know they're gonna turn it into a melodramatic shlock à la modern Shounen, since there's no place for subtlety in modern Dragon Ball. They just wanna make you cry with this kitsch shit, don't they? That's the objective, apparently, making you cry in the first thirty minutes.

The colors look nice, I guess.
Broly is the Cast Off Warrior though......was cast off into "non canon" and then comes back into "canon" XP.

But man I hope they do not go the route you said. It'll just make me hate minus even more. Though hopefully they focus more on Broly for the past stuff or if not do something we don't know about the past stuff instead of animating cliff notes
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:58 am

Wasn't Vegeta supposed to be some years older than Goku?! Oh yeah, retcons.
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Post by RedHeat » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:59 am

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Wasn't Vegeta supposed to be some years older than Goku?! Oh yeah, retcons.
It says "around the same age".
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Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:02 pm

On a positive note, I really love Broly's orange eyed form, I wish it was the only one he had instead of the impending roided out one from before.
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Post by Xeztin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:05 pm

Freeza looks VERY Young here, is this Teen Freeza? He's still having King Cold around him too, It makes me wonder if the Ginyu force was formed by King Cold to protect his younger son. Bardock's Last stand was absent but we can't be too sure, I'm perfectly fine with retcons if that's whats necessary to develop the story further. I'm entirely interested in a spin off the Saiyan's from that time now and what it was like! Much more modern looking that the brown wore out rags the Saiyan's wore in those filler episodes. We could be looking at a multi-part sequel-ed movie here. This also makes me think Broly won't die.
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Post by PremiumSalt » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:08 pm

So I guess we're going all-in with this whole Minus thing huh? Ugh. Whatever.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind Minus being canon as much if I could somehow reconcile it with Raditz's comments at the beginning of the Saiyan Arc. He claims Goku was sent to Earth to destroy all life on it, which is now clearly not the case. But then why would he say this? I mean, sure, he wasn't there when Goku was sent off, so you could say he's unreliable, but then how did he know Goku was sent off in the first place??? Bardock and Gine were the only one's who knew, so it stands to reason that they must have contacted him about it somehow, but then why did they not tell him why they sent him off? Because they logically should have, if for no other reason than to warn him of their suspicions about what Freeza planned to do. Do they just not care about Raditz?

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Post by PFM18 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:09 pm

the good news is that the plot of the movie isn't going to be "Kakarot cried way too much! I'll get my revenge for that!" like the first movie.
Doctor. wrote:So did Toei forget what first form Freeza without his armor looks like or what? Because we saw him back in Z and manga and he did not look like this.
I think the idea is that they tried to portray him as looking younger. As in, he was this pinkish tint when he was young.
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Post by Xeztin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:12 pm

PFM18 wrote:the good news is that the plot of the movie isn't going to be "Kakarot cried way too much! I'll get my revenge for that!" like the first movie.
If he's angry at anyone it should be at Vegeta's family, more so than Kakarot. It does look like a younger teenaged Freeza!

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Post by PFM18 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:14 pm

Xeztin wrote:
PFM18 wrote:the good news is that the plot of the movie isn't going to be "Kakarot cried way too much! I'll get my revenge for that!" like the first movie.
If he's angry at anyone it should be at Vegeta's family, more so than Kakarot. It does look like a younger teenaged Freeza!
yeah this is a young, ripe looking Freeza. If anything, it gives insight into how Freeza's race ages. Kind of like some animals, they are a pinkish color when they are younger and grow to be a lighter color as they grow older.

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Post by Cetra » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:16 pm

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:18 pm

PremiumSalt wrote:Honestly, I wouldn't mind Minus being canon as much if I could somehow reconcile it with Raditz's comments at the beginning of the Saiyan Arc. He claims Goku was sent to Earth to destroy all life on it, which is now clearly not the case. But then why would he say this? I mean, sure, he wasn't there when Goku was sent off, so you could say he's unreliable, but then how did he know Goku was sent off in the first place??? Bardock and Gine were the only one's who knew, so it stands to reason that they must have contacted him about it somehow, but then why did they not tell him why they sent him off? Because they logically should have, if for no other reason than to warn him of their suspicions about what Freeza planned to do. Do they just not care about Raditz?

Gives me a damn headache.
Honestly, I've just assumed they thought it'd be safer to lie to Raditz in this case rather than tell him the truth. In Goku's case, he's still a pod-baby at this point in time, and hasn't been sent out on even his first mission yet, so they deemed it safer to get their son out of Freeza's organization entirely to save him. In Raditz's case though? He was already older and going off on missions (again, based on the manga version of Minus, which might not 100% square up with what we're getting here so far), so to make him disappear safely would be a bit harder perhaps. So instead of telling him the truth, they told him that his baby brother had been sent out like all Saiyan children are rather than the real reason they sent him out, that way he doesn't know more than he needs to know lest Freeza catch wind of it.

Or, to go another route, perhaps by the time they had a chance to contact him about it, Freeza's assault on the planet had already begun, so they barely had time to contact him. Maybe while Bardock is going off to have his 'final stand' against Freeza (if they're keeping that bit, which I hope they do), Gine's on the planet trying to contact Raditz. Just as she does though, all she manages to get out to him is that they've sent his baby brother off, and then BOOM, planet's destroyed and the transmission is cut off. Later Raditz is fed the same explanation we saw the Saiyans get in-series before (that a meteor collided with the planet), and he just rationalizes that his baby brother just barely managed to be sent off on his mission before that disaster happened.

There's a good couple of ways they can handle this is if they want to broach the subject, and hopefully they will, but only time will tell.
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Post by Draconic » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:18 pm

Good trailer.

Curious how or if they'll tie Beerus into all this. I think the line where Freeza says it's a good time to destroy the planet might be adressed to him rather than the obvious choice of King Cold.

It's nice to have Paragus care about Broly too, like Bardock does for Goku and also the fact King Vegeta (with his pretty kick-ass redesign) takes pride in his son. It challenges the idea that Saiyans are mindeless idiots who don't care about their offspring, making the 'specialness' of Goku being sent away moot.

Don't like the change of Broly just being cast away and not actually having the murder attempt on him. Makes the Saiyan culture seem much less savage than I'd like. Though it's worth noting that the two don't contradict one another and the assassination plot might have still taken place and Broly just survived because his power is maximum after all, so Vegeta decides to send him away due to lack of options. He does have a scar near the heart after all.

Will really be dissapointed if they retcon Bardock's last stand. It's way too big an event to just throw way, especially since it's also in the manga. The way the trailer is cut makes me think it's simply hidden, so I'm holding on hope. The scene might not be finished too, since if RoF is anything to go by, large numbers of soldiers would be CGI.

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Post by LimitbreakerKrillin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:20 pm

I wonder if they forgot about Raditz in this movie. Oh and if they are going to use the manga colors (which I adore) why not make the entire cast in manga colors? Like Trunks and Bulma share the same purple hair. Piccolo with that muscle thingy or whatever its called he has on on his arms colored yellow. And ofcourse even though its very unlikely for him to appear in the movie, my boy Krillin needs his white sclera back.

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Post by Super Saiyan Swagger » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:21 pm

Nagamine's storyboarding and direction looks incredible so far. Episodes 95 and 107 of Super were just a taste of what he's capable of. We're going to see the real deal once this movie comes out.

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Post by Dragono » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:22 pm

Doctor. wrote:"Cast-off warrior: Broly"

:roll: As expected, they're trying to retcon Broly into what Goku was portrayed as in the Saiyan arc. Poor, tragic Broly was cast away and abused by his selfish father while Kakarotto got to survive because his parents wuvved him.

The backstory for Broly has potential, but I just know they're gonna turn it into a melodramatic shlock à la modern Shounen, since there's no place for subtlety in modern Dragon Ball. They just wanna make you cry with this kitsch shit, don't they? That's the objective, apparently, making you cry in the first thirty minutes.

The colors look nice, I guess.
Hey, at least its better than Broly's original background.

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Post by Dragono » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:25 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:
Wasn't Vegeta supposed to be some years older than Goku?! Oh yeah, retcons.
I think minus already did that.

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Post by omaro34 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:26 pm

LMAO POOR RADITZ ALWAYS FORGOTTEN ABOUT

Haha poor guy.

He is Goku's brother. They shown Bardock, Gine, Goku, but of course no raditz
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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm

omaro34 wrote:LMAO POOR RADITZ ALWAYS FORGOTTEN ABOUT

Haha poor guy.

He is Goku's brother. They shown Bardock, Gine, Goku, but of course no raditz
I was just about to comment on that.
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Post by Grimlock » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:33 pm

All the scenes with King Vegeta must be way before AGE 739/Dragon Ball Minus. Even his beard is different (even though it was portrayed "accurately" two movies before). It might grow to what we usually know throughtout the movie.

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